Health Care CEO murdered in NYC in a targeted attack

seadoug said:
I would agree with you, but the guy grew up in privilege and was probably never disciplined for anything. He probably thinks he is above the law and can just get away with anything.
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I agree with both you and S/Dog . You both bring up good points.

As for throwing away his life . I wonder that about all criminals. It is [IMO] very hard to get away with crime today , I'm speaking about the heavy crime, why do they do it ? and why do they think they can get away with it ?

I don't know about this guy ... too early but. I think most of the others just want to inflict suffering , pain, misery, etc. That is why I have no tolerance for them. If they have them dead-to-right guilty .... I still say bring back hanging, and do it swiftly, after the guilty verdict is decided.
 
HermitHogan said:
There's an article in the NY Times that explains why he did it. Because of his back pain, he wasn't able to have intimate relations. He was lonely and hopeless.
Suspect in Health Care C.E.O.’s Killing Charged With Murder

He sacrificed his life to do some good in the world by eliminating the scourge CEO.
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seadoug said:
Sorry, not reading something behind a paywall.
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@seadoug Here's the archived NYT article: https://archive.ph/lRKDt
 

squatting dog said:
Something doesn't pass the smell test here.
So, This guy is apparently a smart, Ivy League graduate with several degrees.
But, while supposedly waiting to bump off the CEO, he takes off his mask so he can flirt with a Starbucks employee.
Then, an hour later, goes and kills a CEO in the street and rides away on an E-bike.

A week later, he goes into a local McDonald's where he brings along the murder weapon, the fake ID he used at the hotel in NYC, along with this manifesto that talks about how horrible the healthcare system is. He is then somehow identified by a McDonald's cashier after he sits down to eat his meal.
Then, he waits for the police to arrive................. sitting there with a ghost gun and a home made suppressor.
Now, maybe it's just me, but, I'd bet most murders probably wouldn't be toting around the murder weapon, fake ID's, and of course, a manifesto.
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I was thinking all those same thoughts myself.
 
squatting dog said:
Something doesn't pass the smell test here.
So, This guy is apparently a smart, Ivy League graduate with several degrees.
But, while supposedly waiting to bump off the CEO, he takes off his mask so he can flirt with a Starbucks employee.
Then, an hour later, goes and kills a CEO in the street and rides away on an E-bike.

A week later, he goes into a local McDonald's where he brings along the murder weapon, the fake ID he used at the hotel in NYC, along with this manifesto that talks about how horrible the healthcare system is. He is then somehow identified by a McDonald's cashier after he sits down to eat his meal.
Then, he waits for the police to arrive................. sitting there with a ghost gun and a home made suppressor.
Now, maybe it's just me, but, I'd bet most murders probably wouldn't be toting around the murder weapon, fake ID's, and of course, a manifesto.
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I agree. Something is off here.
 
Remy said:
I hear on the news he's not talking. I'm glad they got him. I guess some are not and even upset at the McDonalds employee. And if he doesn't like big corporate, what was he doing at McDonalds?
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When you are on the run from the law it's probably a better option than a 5 star sit down restaurant.
 
squatting dog said:
Something doesn't pass the smell test here.
So, This guy is apparently a smart, Ivy League graduate with several degrees.
But, while supposedly waiting to bump off the CEO, he takes off his mask so he can flirt with a Starbucks employee.
Then, an hour later, goes and kills a CEO in the street and rides away on an E-bike.

A week later, he goes into a local McDonald's where he brings along the murder weapon, the fake ID he used at the hotel in NYC, along with this manifesto that talks about how horrible the healthcare system is. He is then somehow identified by a McDonald's cashier after he sits down to eat his meal.
Then, he waits for the police to arrive................. sitting there with a ghost gun and a home made suppressor.
Now, maybe it's just me, but, I'd bet most murders probably wouldn't be toting around the murder weapon, fake ID's, and of course, a manifesto.
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This is exactly my thoughts, too, as I said yesterday. This man comes from an extremely wealthy family, and even if he does have problems from his back injury, his family probably had the very best insurance possible, and had the money to have sued if the doctor did something wrong with the operation.
The pictures show him, 6-pack abs, mountain climbing, and living a very athletic life, and he was able to do the whole shooting and getaway scene with no physical handicaps that were obvious.
United Health Care is basically a medicare advantage plan insurance, from what I can see, so it would not be insuring someone who was not on Medicare.

As rich as the CEO was, apparently the shooter’s family is even wealthier. There is no way that he would still be wearing the same clothes and wandering around carrying the murder weapon.
He could have left it anywhere, even with the backpack that they found and said was his.

He had $8,000 cash plus another $2,000 in some foreign currency when they arrested him, so he did not have to be sitting out in public with all the evidence and waiting for someone to recognize him.
He apparently said that he didn’t know where the money came from, which does not make any sense either, since he had it and was carrying it around. Nothing in this whole story seems right to me.
 
Have to wonder if he wants to turn his trial into a podium but his defense should require he stick as to why he is innocent or the murder was justified. A judge should not allow politics or referendum on the health insurance industry.
 
I knew it, he needed a good woman. "Mommy, Mommy!"

He had the money, move to a state with legal medical Pot and relax.
There are so many better ways to improve. HE selfishly Ruined his life, his families + and the Thompsons +
A person will not wear a backpack stuffed with Monopoly money and suffer the pain of a lower back. Mental it is!
A good bitch in prison is he.
 
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Jules said:
Heard a comment that all the other CEOs are probably terrified and will probably rethink the company strategies for making money. Maybe some good will come from this.
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I expect the other CEOs will be taking serious security measures, if they aren't already doing so. I doubt that the healthcare business will be changing their pursuit of maximizing profits, just because of this incident.
 
HermitHogan said:
We have threads going here at SF about two controversial killings: this one that involves the murder of the wealthy CEO of UnitedHealthcare, and another that involves the murder of a homeless, mentally disturbed Black man on a subway.

If you're on one side of the aisle, you feel empathy for the CEO and his family, and contempt for his shooter. You also side with the killer of the Black man and feel contempt for him (the Black man) because he was poor, mentally ill, and was annoying (and possibly threatening) other passengers.
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I do not feel contempt for this young black man who died. He was clearly, from what I have heard mentally ill. I don't think anyone wants to be stuck in a moving metal box with a deranged person in the same car who they fear can harm them. He was not just annoying. Annoying would be someone talking into the corner.

There was a case in Northern California where something similar happened with the police for a man who died in a hold situation. He was off his medications and completely decompensated. He died. Only made norcal news.
 
WhatInThe said:
Have to wonder if he wants to turn his trial into a podium but his defense should require he stick as to why he is innocent or the murder was justified. A judge should not allow politics or referendum on the health insurance industry.
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I think it's evident that he wants a podium, and I seriously doubt the judge will allow a referendum on the health insurance industry. But he doesn't have to say much of anything to make the point that people have been being screwed by insurance companies for the last 50 years. None of that will effect the outcome of the trial, but the public will notice.

Will it start a movement? It could, but that remains to be seen. However, I don't think there's any question that he's going to jail.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
This is exactly my thoughts, too, as I said yesterday. This man comes from an extremely wealthy family, and even if he does have problems from his back injury, his family probably had the very best insurance possible, and had the money to have sued if the doctor did something wrong with the operation.
The pictures show him, 6-pack abs, mountain climbing, and living a very athletic life, and he was able to do the whole shooting and getaway scene with no physical handicaps that were obvious.
United Health Care is basically a medicare advantage plan insurance, from what I can see, so it would not be insuring someone who was not on Medicare.

As rich as the CEO was, apparently the shooter’s family is even wealthier. There is no way that he would still be wearing the same clothes and wandering around carrying the murder weapon.
He could have left it anywhere, even with the backpack that they found and said was his.

He had $8,000 cash plus another $2,000 in some foreign currency when they arrested him, so he did not have to be sitting out in public with all the evidence and waiting for someone to recognize him.
He apparently said that he didn’t know where the money came from, which does not make any sense either, since he had it and was carrying it around. Nothing in this whole story seems right to me.
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Yes, the whole darn thing is just too bizarre for words.
… with his high IQ, he just may have crossed over the edge, into the world of crazy.
How soon will we hear about his Insanity defense?

And to think of the things he could have accomplished in life - what a waste.
 
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Remy said:
And his family owns a chain of nursing homes. Lets start discussing what goes on in those places to save money
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Hmmm, Wonder how he paid for his back surgery or treatment?

Besides political rhetoric what was HIS precise beef with health insurance.
 
JustBonee said:
Yes, the whole darn thing is just too bizarre for words.
… with his high IQ, he just may have crossed over the edge, into the world of crazy.
How soon will we hear about his Insanity defense?

And to think of the things he could have accomplished in life - what a waste.
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People with high IQ's are no more likely to "cross over the edge into crazy," than anyone else.

Schizophrenia is caused by hormone imbalances in the brain, comparable to diabetes being caused by hormone imbalances in the pancreas. Neither disease requires a high IQ.

I doubt if Mangione will be able to use the insanity defense even if he actually does have a severe mental illness. The insanity defense requires that the perpetrator 'lacks the mental capacity to understand the nature of their actions or to distinguish right from wrong," The defense usually works best for people who are learning disabled (mentally retarded.)

Most people with severe mental illness, who commit violent crimes ( a very small percentage) do know right from wrong, they are just confused and delusional about the need for their actions. They may believe they are saving someone else and defending them.

If this man is mentally ill and succeeds in using the insanity defense there's a good chance he will be locked up longer than if he was sent to prison. State run lock down institutions for the criminally insane are not fun places and he would not be sent there for a set time, but until a psychiatrist says he is well and can go home, maybe never.

The average prison sentence served for murder in New York is 15 years.

I know a lot of people despise the mentally ill, blame them for their own illness, and believe they're getting away with something if they use the insanity defense, but they are not.
 
A friend of mine called me and was telling me that the shooter is from a very wealthy family, from which he was allegedly an heir. She knows the family name. She finds it to be an oxymoron that he supposedly hates capitalism. @WhatInThe
 

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