Health Care CEO murdered in NYC in a targeted attack

Maybe Mangione, like Chauvin and Penny, didn't mean to kill. He was just trying to restrain the CEO to stop him from causing more people to suffer by denying them treatment. He didn't mean for the bullets to go that far. Yeah, that's the ticket... he only meant for the bullets to go a few feet and then drop to the ground without hurting anyone. :cool:
 

I feel so out of touch with twenty somethings and their problems. It was so much easier in the nineteen sixties when the music was great, civil unrest was everywhere, drugs were plentiful and flower power ruled. At least they tried.
 
Rose65 said:
He is being called the 'Hot Assassin'! All over the internet. I admit I secretly thought how good looking he is.
Sorry, I should be ashamed of myself but it's true.
Of course I certainly don't condone what he has done.
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Not when he is angry. He looks ugly when he is angry.
 

StarSong said:
No. It merely gives long-term members a reason to "ignore" new posters who barrel forward without bothering to get the lay of the land before attacking.

@CooCooforCoCoPuffs, whatever you are - or claim to be - in real life is largely immaterial here. Our posts fully represent us.

One of my sisters is in fact a clinical psychologist (PhD). As is true of most actual professionals in that field, she would never dream of publicly (or privately) pronouncing the unkind snap judgments you made about @Pepper, particularly after the extraordinarily small sampling of interactions that a week of forum posts provides.

p.s. Yes, I can be a strong defender of people I care about - including many on this forum. Attack them and you attack me. No need to analyze me on that score - I and most SFers figured it out long ago.
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My take on this is what we call here 7th grade groupie "clique" mentality.
New people not welcome, nor does one care to understand them.
We are all capable of snap judgements, but must see beyond the book cover, ask questions first, judge later.
 
chic said:
I feel so out of touch with twenty somethings and their problems. It was so much easier in the nineteen sixties when the music was great, civil unrest was everywhere, drugs were plentiful and flower power ruled. At least they tried.
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I don't think things have changed that much. Back then there were radical groups such as the Weather Underground that committed acts of violence with pipe bombs in an effort to stop our involvement in Vietnam. And these days, pot is legal in many states and you can just go to your local "cannabis boutique" to buy some. I think they sell magic mushrooms, too!

There was "civil unrest" back then because young men were being sent off to die in a war that had become largely political. Now we have a volunteer military, so there's not so much outrage when a soldier dies. They knew what they were getting into when they signed up, or so the excuses go.
 
The only feeling I had about the poster in question - if that IS who either of us were referring to as I prefer to use "poster" so as not to draw attention to a particular poster issue; was anger, pain and sorrow communicated by the person that caused me, as a compassionate person, to worry on my end.

Instead of anger at me, why not "Oh, wow, someone out there cares enough to notice me..." and brave enough to ASK me.

And if any poster does not like me, right away, due to me posting a tongue in cheek on: "What I take to bed with me" (and why) and the poster makes a clearly negative SNAP judgement.

Simply because I take my gun (for protection whether DH is home or not, habits are habits), my robe (in case of a fire or breakin) and water in case my DH and I make love (heaven forbid :rolleyes: 🤣 a happily 🥰 married person of 70 makes love to her 70 year old husband of a decade and gets thirsty!

My word, some of you needs to lighten up, let the past go, and be happy!! Don't burn down a house when you don't know what is inside!

I don't go by any judgements other than those of God because no man or woman is perfect.
I inquire before I determine who a person is and if I want them in my circle.
If someone does not enjoy my company, I of course wonder why, as I am a very happy, caring, loving, helping others type person!

Via my lifelong experiences, God seems to be the only perfect judge in this world.
How dare I think I am as perfect as he; perish the thought!
 
CallMeKate said:
Unless you were in Vietnam you mean, right? :cry: "Everything was fine in 1969?" No... it sadly wasn't.
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Not to say there weren't serious problems at the same time, but it felt like we were beginning to fix them. I felt hope. True it wasn't hope fully satisfied down the road, but I have never felt that optimistic since then.
 
StarSong said:
No. It merely gives long-term members a reason to "ignore" new posters who barrel forward without bothering to get the lay of the land before attacking.

@CooCooforCoCoPuffs, whatever you are - or claim to be - in real life is largely immaterial here. Our posts fully represent us.

One of my sisters is in fact a clinical psychologist (PhD). As is true of most actual professionals in that field, she would never dream of publicly (or privately) pronouncing the unkind snap judgments you made about @Pepper, particularly after the extraordinarily small sampling of interactions that a week of forum posts provides.

p.s. Yes, I can be a strong defender of people I care about - including many on this forum. Attack them and you attack me. No need to analyze me on that score - I and most SFers figured it out long ago.
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I remember when I first joined and if I'd thought I was being deliberately given the cold shoulder or told to 'sit down and shut up' because I was a newcomer, I think I'd have had second thoughts about sticking around. Fortunately, I felt that I was received warmly by most no matter what thoughts I offered up for consideration, nor how lengthy my replies might be.

For the record, having a degree in something doesn't always mean that person is 'the last word' on an issue. When my husband had his business, there were two individuals in town who did repairs on the kind of machinery that he had to use daily. One guy had credentials, had the certificate to hang on his wall. The other guy had learned on his way up, just doing the work on that kind of equipment as the opportunity and need came along. The guy with the credentials was the one you called if the other guy was busy. So yes, sometimes 'diplomas' can be immaterial.

And I've noticed that while coocooforcocopuffs might be a little abrupt sometimes, I don't really think he/she was attacking anyone in any comments. There are a couple people who come here who have at times resorted to name calling, outright hostile innuendo and various abuses and who deserve to be ignored, but I don't think this person has displayed any of that sort of thing to this point.

Accepting that newcomers might have different ways of communicating based on different personality types and just keeping that in mind, until we get used to their new style would maybe help all of us to get along. Being ever mindful of course that when they cross the line of open hostility and name calling.....that is when the ignore button can and should be used.
 
rgp said:
So, your religious beliefs should trump the safety concerns of a shop owner ?

I would refuse to sell to you, and I would have refused you the D/L
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She said the scarf didn't cover her face. Did you miss that part? What would you have done if some Ukrainian grandma walked in with her scarf tied around her head? Would your attitude have been different because she was pasty white?
 
Mangione is clearly delusional. When he was being taken in for booking, he shouted "this is an insult to the intelligence of the American people...!" I mean, WTF? "The intelligence of the American people?" That's nuts! :ROFLMAO:
 
CallMeKate said:
Care to share your reasoning for bringing race into this?

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Diva who is Muslim, said her head covering didn't cover her face and then rgp very caustically asked if she felt her beliefs(scarf) was more important than people's lives (?????) and stated that he wouldn't sell to her or give her the driver's license (because of a scarf that didn't cover her face). And because her chosen avatar is a black woman I'm going to assume that she's not pasty white so why don't you tell me what you think he/she meant?
 
Debrah N. said:
I remember when I first joined and if I'd thought I was being deliberately given the cold shoulder or told to 'sit down and shut up' because I was a newcomer, I think I'd have had second thoughts about sticking around. Fortunately, I felt that I was received warmly by most no matter what thoughts I offered up for consideration, nor how lengthy my replies might be.

For the record, having a degree in something doesn't always mean that person is 'the last word' on an issue. When my husband had his business, there were two individuals in town who did repairs on the kind of machinery that he had to use daily. One guy had credentials, had the certificate to hang on his wall. The other guy had learned on his way up, just doing the work on that kind of equipment as the opportunity and need came along. The guy with the credentials was the one you called if the other guy was busy. So yes, sometimes 'diplomas' can be immaterial.

And I've noticed that while coocooforcocopuffs might be a little abrupt sometimes, I don't really think he/she was attacking anyone in any comments. There are a couple people who come here who have at times resorted to name calling, outright hostile innuendo and various abuses and who deserve to be ignored, but I don't think this person has displayed any of that sort of thing to this point.

Accepting that newcomers might have different ways of communicating based on different personality types and just keeping that in mind, until we get used to their new style would maybe help all of us to get along. Being ever mindful of course that when they cross the line of open hostility and name calling.....that is when the ignore button can and should be used.
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Thank you for your thoughtful feedback.

Agree degrees are nothing to experience, except to get licensed in some states/countries.
Education means nothing if one has no experience to back it up.
Did not intend to throw my education around at all.

I was simply trying to add some authenticity to some of my communication to reassure those who may doubt where I come from on some subjects. When I look at posts, I always try to figure out from where and why the post is what it is. Analysis of course is my go to. I also like in person interactions FAR more than online - in person I seem to do VERY well. I think the issue is one cannot see expressions, and body language online and that is probably more than 50% of communication in humans, 80-100 percent in most animals.

Now, I don't know squat about IT, etc! I wish I did, but am the last person to be able to discuss that subject!! 🤣 I admire people who know IT, AI, electricity, etc. big time! Further, anyone with an math based life science or engineering degree, and the ability to pass the licensing: they gotta be smart in some specific ways, so I admire that on line. But if the person has ZERO common sense and no bedside manner?

Some don't have a good bedside manner, or social skills (aka geeks) but I don't dislike them for that lack, it doesn't negate the intelligence part.

Online communication is very difficult, even video online is difficult for some of us.
It is a skill I don't do well with in either direction with some people.

Again thank you for your feedback. Very helpful and kind.
 
Debrah N. said:
Diva who is Muslim, said her head covering didn't cover her face and then rgp very caustically asked if she felt her scarf was more important than people's lives (?????) and stated that he wouldn't sell to her or give her the driver's license (because of a scarf that didn't cover her face). And because her chosen avatar is a black woman I'm going to assume that she's not pasty white so why don't you tell me what you think he/she meant?
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I already knew all this. What he meant was that there are rules for license photos. You don't have those guidelines in Canada? If he meant something else, I hope he'll correct me. @rgp
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
My take on this is what we call here 7th grade groupie "clique" mentality.
New people not welcome, nor does one care to understand them.
We are all capable of snap judgements, but must see beyond the book cover, ask questions first, judge later.
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Yeah, it seems there is a clique here and if you think or say outside the box, you end up ignored, or most likely on the ignored list. Thats why we also use other forums where actual free speech is allowed, and no one can 'ignore' button you. You dont like the post, skip over it. It seems here most people live a sheltered/protected life and anything that rocks the boat is garbage.
You are not alone.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
Thank you for your thoughtful feedback.

Agree degrees are nothing to experience, except to get licensed in some states/countries.
Education means nothing if one has no experience to back it up.
Did not intend to throw my education around at all.

I was simply trying to add some authenticity to some of my communication to reassure those who may doubt where I come from on some subjects. When I look at posts, I always try to figure out from where and why the post is what it is. Analysis of course is my go to. I also like in person interactions FAR more than online - in person I seem to do VERY well. I think the issue is one cannot see expressions, and body language online and that is probably more than 50% of communication in humans, 80-100 percent in most animals.

Now, I don't know squat about IT, etc! I wish I did, but am the last person to be able to discuss that subject!! 🤣 I admire people who know IT, AI, electricity, etc. big time! Further, anyone with an math based life science or engineering degree, and the ability to pass the licensing: they gotta be smart in some specific ways, so I admire that on line. But if the person has ZERO common sense and no bedside manner?

Some don't have a good bedside manner, or social skills (aka geeks) but I don't dislike them for that lack, it doesn't negate the intelligence part.

Online communication is very difficult, even video online is difficult for some of us.
It is a skill I don't do well with in either direction with some people.

Again thank you for your feedback. Very helpful and kind.
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What are your degrees in, @CooCooforCoCoPuffs? Just curious. :)
 

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