Against the vaccine? What about polio?

Warrigal said:
If the developers of vaccines and medications were to be subject to prosecution, there would be no development of new treatments for as yet untreatable conditions. Medical research must follow clear ethical guidelines and if they do not, then they are not immune to legal penalties.
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Ah funny, that everyone else is subject to prosecution for everything else. Carmaker brakes fail...sued. Baby gate fails, sued. Your food makes people ill, recall, fines and sued. But vaccines that are never tested or safetied causes death...nope your good. Murder is legal in the health industry.
 

Della said:
I eat healthy food, exercise, don't drink, don't smoke, don't eat sugar, and keep all my vaccinations up to date. It's all part of doing my best to be well. I could still get a terrible disease or hit by a car at any time. Healthy habits don't insure a long life they just help our odds a little.

I've never met anyone who thought getting a vaccination would improve his over all health. We all know shots are simply to prevent certain diseases.

Exercise and diet are all fine, but diseases like polio strike big strong athletes like FDR was, as well as children and women. Babies used to die of diphtheria and rubella while still in the crib, drinking nothing but milk. They weren't guilty of bad habits or laziness.

Following the advice of professionals who've spent 8-12 years in training rather than the advice of internet influencers doesn't make us shee
Della said:
I eat healthy food, exercise, don't drink, don't smoke, don't eat sugar, and keep all my vaccinations up to date. It's all part of doing my best to be well. I could still get a terrible disease or hit by a car at any time. Healthy habits don't insure a long life they just help our odds a little.

I've never met anyone who thought getting a vaccination would improve his over all health. We all know shots are simply to prevent certain diseases.

Exercise and diet are all fine, but diseases like polio strike big strong athletes like FDR was, as well as children and women. Babies used to die of diphtheria and rubella while still in the crib, drinking nothing but milk. They weren't guilty of bad habits or laziness.

Following the advice of professionals who've spent 8-12 years in training rather than the advice of internet influencers doesn't make us sheep, just sensible.
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Well, exercise, healthy eating do more than a little towards health. The fact you think that is sad. Yes of course a random act like being hit by a car can change it. But living healthy is huge in terms of longevity. And more importantly enjoying your later or last years well, instead of suffering is massive.
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Della said:
I eat healthy food, exercise, don't drink, don't smoke, don't eat sugar, and keep all my vaccinations up to date. It's all part of doing my best to be well. I could still get a terrible disease or hit by a car at any time. Healthy habits don't insure a long life they just help our odds a little.

I've never met anyone who thought getting a vaccination would improve his over all health. We all know shots are simply to prevent certain diseases.

Exercise and diet are all fine, but diseases like polio strike big strong athletes like FDR was, as well as children and women. Babies used to die of diphtheria and rubella while still in the crib, drinking nothing but milk. They weren't guilty of bad habits or laziness.

Following the advice of professionals who've spent 8-12 years in training rather than the advice of internet influencers doesn't make us sheep, just sensible.
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The problem is you believe the doctors because they have had 8-12 years of indoctrination. Just listen to doctors speak about med school. Or look into it. They dont take, or take 1 course on nutrition, they dont take courses on improving health, or counselling on fitness. Nothing. They are required to know the human biology, and how to prescribe meds.
If they are so smart, why is the medical industry the top, or one of the leading cause of death in the us? And also in Canada.
Vaccines do nothing. Look at the charts posted on here previously or on other forums here. All the stats are there. 99 percent of all vaccines were introduced after the disease they made a vaccine for, were almost eradicated. Vaccines were not the magic bullet. Far from it. All they have done is drive childhood cancers, autism and others straight up.

There was a nice article I posted about the flu vaccine a while back. They looked a flu rates over 35 year period. The flu shot uptake increased every 5 to 10 years, but the flu has never changed. Still the same rate as it always was. So when 10 percent of the people were taking the flu shot, the rate was the same as the approx 35-40 percent that take it now.
Still the same levels as 35 years ago. That is long term data, that shows it made no difference. And yet somehow you all believe it protects you from more severe outcomes or death. No it doesn't. Still the same deaths, still the same infection rates, nothing changes. You know what protects you fro severe outcome and possibly death, being healthy, eating right, exercising, building your immune system up. Not vaxxing your life.
When I posted about the vaccine excipient charts a while back, funny no one commented. Full of aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde etc. No comments at all. Just denial.
 

HermitHogan said:
In the United States, before COVID-19 vaccines became available in December 2020, the reported death toll was approximately 350,000. Here's a breakdown:
  • March 2020: The first recorded COVID-19 death in the U.S. occurred in February, but the numbers began to rise significantly in March.
  • Mid-2020: By late July 2020, the U.S. surpassed 150,000 deaths.
  • December 2020: By the time the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was authorized on December 11, 2020, the U.S. death toll had reached around 290,000.
  • By the end of December 2020, this number grew to about 350,000.
  • As with global numbers, underreporting and variations in attribution could mean the true toll was somewhat higher.
That's a pretty impressive hoax! :unsure:
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Well the death toll for vaxxed deaths is astronomical. Euro and North American vaers deaths is proving how many people died or were injured by it.
Then if you want to be technical, add in the turbo cancers, the 'died suddenly', the heart problems that are everywhere now and those far exceed anything that 'covid' did.
As for under reporting...do you really want to go there? How many things were deemed a covid death. Dies of covid in a car crash, had a massive heart attack but tested pos for covid, so a covid death. We all heard them. There were families that had lawsuits to remove covid from the death certificates when it clearly was not.
Also speaking of under/over reporting, once again the famous hospitals overwhelmed issue. Here in EU we had something called -film your hospitals- that went around here. Hospitals were empty yet they said they were full. People filmed in their hospitals, er's, ambulance bays etc, and found less than normal activity. In fact several large cities closed their hospitals 50 percent cause of no patients.

Also, in the UK, US and Can, the famous instagram or tik tok videos of dancing docs and nurses. Funny they had time to make these vids despite being so overwhlemed. Where did they get the practice time? Even if they had 10 min, were they not working overtime, so tired and over worked? Who had the desire or energy to practice and choreograph a dance routine. Not to mention wasting all that tax dollars and medical gear.
 
Medical experts demand suspension of COVID mRNA vaccines in notice to European leaders
12/17/2024
  • European medical professionals urge governments to halt mRNA COVID-19 vaccines due to safety concerns.
  • The NORTH Group highlights excessive residual DNA in vaccines, raising fears of genomic instability and cancer.
  • Demands include a vaccine halt, independent investigation, and proof of no DNA damage.
  • Vaccines were approved without testing for viral transmission, and side effects are widespread.
  • Concerns grow over mRNA vaccines’ long-term immune system impacts and potential risks to future generations.
A coalition of medical professionals and scientists from across Europe is urging governments to halt the use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, citing serious concerns about their safety and potential risks to human health. The group, known as the NORTH Group, has sent a "Notice of Extreme Concern" to the leaders of 10 European countries, including the UK, demanding immediate action.

The letter highlights alarming findings regarding the presence of excessive levels of residual DNA in vaccine samples from multiple countries. This foreign DNA, a by-product of the manufacturing process, has raised fears of genomic instability, cancer, and other severe health conditions. The signatories argue that regulatory authorities have systematically avoided addressing these risks, leaving the public vulnerable.

What the signatories are demanding​

The NORTH Group is calling for three key actions:
  • An immediate halt to the use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and a product recall.
  • An independent and transparent investigation into the approval and use of these vaccines.
  • Scientific evidence proving there is no risk of damage to human DNA.
The letter emphasizes that these vaccines were never tested for their ability to block viral transmission, and their approval was based on misleading information. Additionally, the group points to an unprecedented level of reported side effects, including deaths, suggesting that the risks far outweigh the benefits.

A growing movement​

The NORTH Group’s letter has garnered support from a diverse array of medical professionals, including general practitioners, surgeons, and researchers specializing in fields such as cardiology and occupational health. With such a broad base of expertise, the group’s concerns are gaining traction, making it increasingly difficult for authorities to ignore the potential dangers of these vaccines. As more negative effects come to light, the pressure on governments to take action is likely to intensify.

The signatories stress that their concerns are scientifically supported and pose a threat not only to current human health but also to future generations. They urge leaders to act in the best interest of their citizens, emphasizing the need for urgent and decisive action.

As the NORTH Group’s movement gains momentum, the spotlight on mRNA vaccines is unlikely to fade. The growing chorus of medical professionals and scientists demanding answers could lead to significant changes in how these vaccines are regulated and administered.

Why are mRNA COVID-19 vaccines so damaging?​

The rapid development of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines marked a historic moment in the fight against the virus. However, as the dust settles, concerns about their long-term effects on the immune system are growing louder. While these vaccines were hailed as a breakthrough, their impact on the body’s natural defenses raises serious questions.

mRNA vaccines are not traditional vaccines. Instead, they are a form of gene therapy. They introduce a synthetic strand of genetic material into the body, instructing cells to produce a viral protein. This, in theory, triggers an immune response. However, this process may come with unintended consequences.

One major concern is the potential for overstimulation of the immune system. By exposing the body to a viral protein, the vaccine could provoke an exaggerated immune reaction, leading to inflammation or even autoimmune conditions. This overstimulation may explain why vaccinated individuals have reported higher rates of chronic inflammation and autoimmune diseases compared to the unvaccinated.

Another alarming risk is the activation of latent viruses, such as herpes or HIV. mRNA vaccines may inadvertently awaken these dormant pathogens, leading to new infections or complications. This possibility is supported by evidence showing vaccinated individuals are more likely to contract COVID-19 than those who remain unvaccinated, suggesting a weakened immune response.

Additionally, mRNA vaccines may alter the immune system’s ability to recognize and fight other pathogens. This could leave vaccinated individuals more vulnerable to a range of infections, further compromising their health.

The data speaks for itself: vaccinated populations have shown higher mortality rates and increased infection rates compared to the unvaccinated. These trends suggest that mRNA vaccines may not only fail to protect but could also harm the immune system.

As the debate continues, it’s clear that the risks of mRNA vaccines to the immune system cannot be ignored. The decision to vaccinate should be made with a full understanding of these potential dangers.


Yeah safe and effective...
 
Just recent released stats show that since the scamdemic, 17 percent of people have a mental health issue since before the pandemic, but the most worrying stat is since the scamdemic was over a further 12 percent have mental issues. Leading to a almost 30 percent increase in mental health issues than before the pandemic.
It is affecting all fields and walks of life.
I wonder why? Is it that the people have woken up to the lies of govts and health industry? I mean I hear that on the news all the time. That the people have lost the trust of govts. Wonder why.
 
dilettante said:
There is no evidence for this, and many professionals have been canceled or suppressed. You don't establish reality by ballot anyway.

That's called religion, not science.
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There is no evidence for what??

are yo u trying t o claim that the vast majority of doctors are against vaccines???
 
Tazx said:
I think what she was going for there is, that are all these turbo cancers, neuropathy, peri and myocarditis appearing...why wont the govt confirm they are only appearing in the vaxxed. The wont say it on the news
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of course they wont - because it isnt so

there is no increase in such - these things have always happened and continue to do so - there is no connection to being vaxxed or not.
 
Della said:
Following the advice of professionals who've spent 8-12 years in training rather than the advice of internet influencers doesn't make us sheep, just sensible.
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I know - fascinating how people are called sheep for doing that but the person saying it expects us to beleive their advice instead

(even when they post links which say opposite to their claims - rather speaks of calibre of their 'research' )
 
Tazx said:
Well the death toll for vaxxed deaths is astronomical. Euro and North American vaers deaths is proving how many people died or were injured by it.
Then if you want to be technical, add in the turbo cancers, the 'died suddenly', the heart problems that are everywhere now and those far exceed anything that 'covid' did.
As for under reporting...do you really want to go there? How many things were deemed a covid death. Dies of covid in a car crash, had a massive heart attack but tested pos for covid, so a covid death. We all heard them. There were families that had lawsuits to remove covid from the death certificates when it clearly was not.
Also speaking of under/over reporting, once again the famous hospitals overwhelmed issue. Here in EU we had something called -film your hospitals- that went around here. Hospitals were empty yet they said they were full. People filmed in their hospitals, er's, ambulance bays etc, and found less than normal activity. In fact several large cities closed their hospitals 50 percent cause of no patients.

Also, in the UK, US and Can, the famous instagram or tik tok videos of dancing docs and nurses. Funny they had time to make these vids despite being so overwhlemed. Where did they get the practice time? Even if they had 10 min, were they not working overtime, so tired and over worked? Who had the desire or energy to practice and choreograph a dance routine. Not to mention wasting all that tax dollars and medical gear.
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While the Covid-PLANdemic was allegedly at it's climax, doctors and nurses of several hospitals created videos for YouTube, dancing in them.
This was such utterly ridiculous, since during a real pandemic they wouldn't have only one second of time to do this stupid stuff. But a lot of people believed it.
 
January said:
of course they wont - because it isnt so

there is no increase in such - these things have always happened and continue to do so - there is no connection to being vaxxed or not.
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Wow, you are so delusional. its everywhere. You are just in denial. Dozens of doctors have come out and said they cant keep up with all the turbo cancers.
Australian doctor...
Australian Doctor Got Turbo Brain Cancer After Two COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines | Asia-Pacific Research

Yale researcher....
Yale experts see rise in younger, turbo cancer | CANCERactive

Us mainstream news....

“Turbo Cancer” Enters Mainstream Media News​

“’Turbo cancer’ has entered the mainstream media news cycle, and Fox News 45 Baltimore brought on censored doctor Paul Marik to talk about it. “’There seems to be an association between … vaccination, particularly the boosters, and the development of turbo cancer.’ This is a holy-smokes moment. It’s hard to believe they actually aired this.”

Oncologist: “I’ve Never Seen Cancers Behaving Like This” [Turbo Cancer]​


Doctors are seeing something so strange they’ve given it a brand new name: “Turbo Cancer”.
How terrible is that?
The name is exactly what it sounds like — cancers so extreme and so aggressive that you’re often dead within months.
Unlike anything doctors have seen before in their careers.
Now gee, I wonder what could have caused that?
Did we embark on any massive exploratory new drug or inoculation recently with no prior safety testing?
Anything like that come to mind?
Crimes Against Humanity.
Just watch this if you can stomach it:
Alarming spike in turbo cancers (aggressive cancers diagnosed late stage) and an unusual rise in cancers in young people has the medical community baffled!
This is exactly what my medical and scientific colleagues predicted 2 years ago and were ridiculed for. #TurboCancer pic.twitter.com/mutznKTmvl
— Sassy (@SassyCanuckGal) September 23, 2023
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It’s affecting Young Athletes in the prime of their career:
TURBO CANCER – 20 year old Corey Phelan, Phillies minor league baseball pitcher, died on Oct.13, 2022
He was diagnosed with NHL Lymphoma in April 2022
Diagnosis to death 5 months
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines cause Turbo cancer, lymphoma is most common.#DiedSuddenly #cdnpoli #ableg pic.twitter.com/F7KJHgB1JQ
— William Makis MD (@MakisMD) September 25, 2023
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And doctors and nurses at an extreme rate due to their mandated COVID Vaccines:
TURBO CANCER – Nurses are developing advanced (usually Stage 4) turbo cancers after being forced into taking COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. I present 30 nurses & their tragic stories!TURBO CANCER – Nurses are developing advanced (usually Stage 4) turbo cancers after being forced into taking COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. I present 30 nurses & their tragic stories!
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) September 26, 2023
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Watch this short clip to understand more:
Oncologist: "I've Never Seen Cancers Behaving Like This"
Young people, in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, are developing aggressive and rapidly-growing "turbo cancers."
"The youngest case that I've reported was a twelve-year-old boy who had one Moderna vaccine. Four months later, [he]… pic.twitter.com/bKpdKGXGqp
— Noah Christopher (@DailyNoahNews) September 26, 2023
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Oncologist: “I’ve Never Seen Cancers Behaving Like This”
Young people, in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, are developing aggressive and rapidly-growing “turbo cancers.”
“The youngest case that I’ve reported was a twelve-year-old boy who had one Moderna vaccine. Four months later, [he] developed stage 4 brain cancer. And then six months later, he died,” reported Dr. William Makis.
“I’ve diagnosed probably 20,000 cancer patients in my career. I’ve never seen cancers behaving like this.”
TURBO CANCER
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That full video can be found here:
TURBO CANCER — FULL VIDEO pic.twitter.com/7kuCAm97Wo
— Noah Christopher (@DailyNoahNews) September 26, 2023
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Was a cancer causing sequence put in the C19 VAX?
Why was SV40, a cancer causing sequence, put in the Covid Vaccine?
Because Cancer is the Medical Industrial Complex’s #1 money maker.
Now, 20 year olds are getting turbo cancer, and those who were once in remission have had their cancer come back 10x worse.
It was all… pic.twitter.com/DyxTzOTKMo
— Died Suddenly (@DiedSuddenly_) September 20, 2023
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NEW ARTICLE: TURBO CANCER in Doctors – Young COVID-19 Vaccinated Doctors are developing aggressive Turbo Cancers – 54 doctors and their tragic stories
I discovered COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Induced Turbo Cancer by monitoring sudden deaths of fully Vaccinated Canadian doctors since… pic.twitter.com/8c3Jiz9UFB
— William Makis MD (@MakisMD) September 25, 2023
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NEW ARTICLE: TURBO CANCER in Doctors – Young COVID-19 Vaccinated Doctors are developing aggressive Turbo Cancers – 54 doctors and their tragic stories
I discovered COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Induced Turbo Cancer by monitoring sudden deaths of fully Vaccinated Canadian doctors since November 2021.
Out of fully vaccinated 180 Canadian doctors who have died unexpectedly since COVID-19 vaccines rolled out in Canada, 42 had cancer.
4 of them worked at the same Hospital (Trillium Health in Mississauga) and died within 3 weeks of each other:
July 19, 2022 – Dr.Jakub Sawicki, age 36, Stage 4 Gastric Cancer x 1 year (double vaxxed)
July 18, 2022 – Dr.Stephen McKenzie, age 68, cancer unknown
July 17, 2022 – Dr.Lorne Segall, age 49, Stage 4 Lung Cancer x 1 year (double vaxxed)
June 26, 2022 – Dr.Maselle Virey, age 68, cancer unknown.
Take a minute to let this sink in. 4 Canadian doctors working at the same hospital died within 3 weeks of each other. All 4 had cancer.
At this time, it seems that COVID-19 Vaccinated doctors are simply NOT aware of the very real risk of developing Turbo Cancer.
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Dr. Harvey Risch says it’s likely to get even worse.
“We know that the COVID vaccines have done various degrees of damage to the immune system in a fraction of people who’ve taken them,” attested Dr. Harvey Risch in a recent interview with The Epoch Times.
“And that damage could be anywhere from getting COVID more often, getting other infectious diseases, and perhaps it may also be cancer in the longer term,” he warned.
Dr. Risch is a Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology at Yale University with a professional background in cancer. And he is not alone in his concern. Doctors such as renowned pathologist Ryan Cole have been sounding the alarm on a new phenomenon known as “turbo cancer.” Turbo cancer is a slang term for the recent emergence of aggressive cancers that grow very quickly.
“Because of the dysregulation of the immune responses and the suppression of the immune system by these genetic-based injections … these cancers that normally would be kept in check by the body are unexpectedly growing very quickly,” said Dr. Ryan Cole in a past interview with Children’s Health Defense.
But the worst may be yet to come.
“The idea that a new product like the [COVID] vaccines could cause cancer is not something that’s going to be observable overnight,” explained Dr. Risch.
“Cancer as a disease takes a long time to manifest itself from when it starts, from the first cells that go haywire until they grow to be large enough to be diagnosed or to be symptomatic, can take anywhere from two or three years for the blood cancers, like leukemias and lymphomas, to five years for lung cancer, to 20 years for bladder cancer, or 30, 35 years for colon cancer, and so on.”
“So these are long-term events,” said Dr. Risch, “and if you suddenly introduce a new product like the vaccines, the first thing you might expect to see would be the blood cancers that I mentioned but not the other kinds of cancers.”
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For the visual learners:
Top Doctor Explains Why “Turbo Cancer” Rates Are Likely to Get Even Worse pic.twitter.com/xJmjPVSLT2
— Janey (@_janey_j) September 18, 2023
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And here is the team at The Wellness Company telling you the same thing:
How did we go from "safe and effective" to "turbo cancers"? #VaccineDisaster pic.twitter.com/pJqEnrxKr6
— Vero P. – Down🐇🕳 with ❤️ (@veroniquepoir12) September 19, 2023
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So no news about turbo cancers hey!

Even a Prof Emeritus at Yale who specialized in Cancer says so.

But nah, just lies right!
 
Wikipedia...people also need to be aware of the denial of this conspiracy also.

Turbo cancer is an anti-vaccination conspiracy theory[1] alleging that people vaccinated against COVID-19, especially with mRNA vaccines, are suffering from a high incidence of fast-developing cancers. Although the idea has been spread by a number of vaccine opponents, including several health professionals,[2] turbo cancer is not supported by cancer research, and there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccination causes or worsens cancer.[3][4][5]

Claims​

Opponents of COVID-19 vaccines such as Florida surgeon general Joseph Ladapo have claimed that trace amounts of contaminant DNA present alongside the vaccine's mRNA could integrate in the patient's genome, activating oncogenes responsible for cancer. In response, Céline Gounder pointed out that trace DNA exists in virtually every product originating from cell cultures, and that DNA vaccines are not known to cause cancer despite containing much higher amounts of DNA.[6] According to the US National Cancer Institute, "[t]here is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer, lead to recurrence, or lead to disease progression. Furthermore, COVID-19 vaccines do not change your DNA".[5]

Examples of claims​

A paper by antivaccine activists Stephanie Seneff, Peter McCullough and others claimed suppression of type 1 interferon could result in immune suppression that could promote cancer proliferation.[7] The study suggested hypothetical disease mechanisms linking mRNA vaccines to various pathologies through immune suppression. It used only anecdotal reports from VAERS as evidence, and was described by Jeffrey Morris as "shifting the burden of proof" by asking public health institutions to either prove the impossibility of these mechanisms or accept them.[8]

Similarly, a Frontiers in Oncology paper discussing a laboratory mouse dying of lymphoma after being injected with the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was claimed to prove the existence of turbo cancer. However, the study in question did not claim any causality between the two events. Notably, the type of mouse used in the study had a higher predisposition to sarcomas and lymphomas, with that specific individual having shown signs of preexisting cancer such as weight loss before the vaccine injection. The setup of the study was also criticized, as it differed from human vaccinations in the method of injection (intravenous rather than intramuscular) and dose in proportion to body weight (480 to 600 times higher).[9][10][11] The authors later added that their findings were "largely misinterpreted".[12]

References​

  1. ^ MacDonald, Stuart; Kendix, Max (6 February 2024). "GB News presenter Neil Oliver cleared by Ofcom over 'turbo cancer' claims". Scotland. The Times. Archived from the original on 19 August 2024. Retrieved 25 April 2024.
  2. ^ "False claims persist about COVID-19 vaccine-linked "turbo cancers"". Public Health Communication Collaborative (PHCC). 18 August 2023. Retrieved 5 October 2023.
  3. ^ "Fact Check-No evidence COVID-19 vaccines cause 'turbo cancer'". Reuters. Reuters. 14 December 2022.
  4. ^ Gorski, David (19 December 2022). "Do COVID-19 vaccines cause "turbo cancer"?". Science-Based Medicine.
  5. ^ Jump up to:a b "COVID-19 Vaccines and People with Cancer - NCI". www.cancer.gov. 10 February 2021.
  6. ^ Moniuszko, Sara (4 January 2024). "Florida surgeon general wants to halt COVID-19 mRNA vaccines; FDA calls his claims "misleading" - CBS News". CBS News. Retrieved 25 April 2024.
  7. ^ Seneff, Stephanie; Nigh, Greg; Kyriakopoulos, Anthony M.; McCullough, Peter A. (June 2022). "Innate immune suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes, and MicroRNAs". Food and Chemical Toxicology. 164: 113008. doi:10.1016/j.fct.2022.113008. PMC 9012513. PMID 35436552.
  8. ^ Morris, Jeffrey (21 April 2022). "Does McCullough's paper really "establish a mechanistic framework" for mRNA vaccine harm?". Covid-19 Data Science.
  9. ^ Yandell, Kate (31 August 2023). "COVID-19 Vaccines Have Not Been Shown to Cause 'Turbo Cancer'". FactCheck.org.
  10. ^ "Paper does not prove Pfizer mRNA vaccine causes 'turbo cancer'". Fact Check. AFP. 21 July 2023.
  11. ^ "Claim linking Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, cancer in mouse distorts study | Fact check". USA TODAY.
  12. ^ Eens, Sander; Van Hecke, Manon; Favere, Kasper; Tousseyn, Thomas; Guns, Pieter-Jan; Roskams, Tania; Heidbuchel, Hein (2023). "Addendum: B-cell lymphoblastic lymphoma following intravenous BNT162b2 mRNA booster in a BALB/c mouse: a case report". Frontiers in Oncology. 13. doi:10.3389/fonc.2023.1267904. ISSN 2234-943X. PMC 10622962
 
Tazx said:
Well there is tons of evidence. But I imagine you will deny it all.
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I opened your first link it is not a research study, it is just a collection of click bait articles about people who died of cancers after having the vaccine

But since people die of cancers anyway and since 90% of the population has had at least the primary vaccine, of course there will be overlap.

Just as there would between any activity 90% of the population had done - used sunscreen, eaten meat, worn uniforms, anything.

The question is whether there is an increase and whether that is more so in vaccinated population, all other things being equal in both groups ( age, pre existing conditions etc)

Basic scientific research- not collecting confirmation bias articles from YouTube,Facebook and co.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Wikipedia...people also need to be aware of the denial of this conspiracy also.

Turbo cancer is an anti-vaccination conspiracy theory[1] alleging that people vaccinated against COVID-19, especially with mRNA vaccines, are suffering from a high incidence of fast-developing cancers. Although the idea has been spread by a number of vaccine opponents, including several health professionals,[2] turbo cancer is not supported by cancer research, and there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccination causes or worsens cancer.[3][4][5]

Claims​

Opponents of COVID-19 vaccines such as Florida surgeon general Joseph Ladapo have claimed that trace amounts of contaminant DNA present alongside the vaccine's mRNA could integrate in the patient's genome, activating oncogenes responsible for cancer. In response, Céline Gounder pointed out that trace DNA exists in virtually every product originating from cell cultures, and that DNA vaccines are not known to cause cancer despite containing much higher amounts of DNA.[6] According to the US National Cancer Institute, "[t]here is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer, lead to recurrence, or lead to disease progression. Furthermore, COVID-19 vaccines do not change your DNA".[5]

Examples of claims​

A paper by antivaccine activists Stephanie Seneff, Peter McCullough and others claimed suppression of type 1 interferon could result in immune suppression that could promote cancer proliferation.[7] The study suggested hypothetical disease mechanisms linking mRNA vaccines to various pathologies through immune suppression. It used only anecdotal reports from VAERS as evidence, and was described by Jeffrey Morris as "shifting the burden of proof" by asking public health institutions to either prove the impossibility of these mechanisms or accept them.[8]

Similarly, a Frontiers in Oncology paper discussing a laboratory mouse dying of lymphoma after being injected with the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was claimed to prove the existence of turbo cancer. However, the study in question did not claim any causality between the two events. Notably, the type of mouse used in the study had a higher predisposition to sarcomas and lymphomas, with that specific individual having shown signs of preexisting cancer such as weight loss before the vaccine injection. The setup of the study was also criticized, as it differed from human vaccinations in the method of injection (intravenous rather than intramuscular) and dose in proportion to body weight (480 to 600 times higher).[9][10][11] The authors later added that their findings were "largely misinterpreted".[12]

References​

  1. ^ MacDonald, Stuart; Kendix, Max (6 February 2024). "GB News presenter Neil Oliver cleared by Ofcom over 'turbo cancer' claims". Scotland. The Times. Archived from the original on 19 August 2024. Retrieved 25 April 2024.
  2. ^ "False claims persist about COVID-19 vaccine-linked "turbo cancers"". Public Health Communication Collaborative (PHCC). 18 August 2023. Retrieved 5 October 2023.
  3. ^ "Fact Check-No evidence COVID-19 vaccines cause 'turbo cancer'". Reuters. Reuters. 14 December 2022.
  4. ^ Gorski, David (19 December 2022). "Do COVID-19 vaccines cause "turbo cancer"?". Science-Based Medicine.
  5. ^ Jump up to:a b "COVID-19 Vaccines and People with Cancer - NCI". www.cancer.gov. 10 February 2021.
  6. ^ Moniuszko, Sara (4 January 2024). "Florida surgeon general wants to halt COVID-19 mRNA vaccines; FDA calls his claims "misleading" - CBS News". CBS News. Retrieved 25 April 2024.
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I guess I will message Harvard and Yale doctors and let them know they are wrong...cause wikipedia said so!
 
January said:
I opened your first link it is not a research study, it is just a collection of click bait articles about people who died of cancers after having the vaccine

But since people die of cancers anyway and since 90% of the population has had at least the primary vaccine, of course there will be overlap.

Just as there would between any activity 90% of the population had done - used sunscreen, eaten meat, worn uniforms, anything.

The question is whether there is an increase and whether that is more so in vaccinated population, all other things being equal in both groups ( age, pre existing conditions etc)

Basic scientific research- not collecting confirmation bias articles from YouTube,Facebook and co.
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Where do you get 90 percent? Australia maybe. Here where we are 43 percent. Canada purchased 100 million, just recently threw out 15 million. Still waiting on 25 million that were ordered.

As for the articles, take the name of the person and google or ddg them. Just because an article is on cbc, zero hedge, or any other site does not mean it has no merit. The proff is there, you just dont want to look for it.

The other articles I posted were from Harvard and Yale...not fakebook and utube. Funny how even a week ago I posted an article where yale researchers said masks were absolutely useless, yet no one commented. I wonder why. Cant disprove it thats why. Here is these collection you say clickbait and all that crap, but its just failure on your part to actually see the problem. Then the person above posts a wikipedia article....I believe harvard and yale over wiki any day.

Believe what you want. Each and everyday more comes out. Eventually the trickle becomes a storm that it can not be denied. Until then...
 
January said:
I opened your first link it is not a research study, it is just a collection of click bait articles about people who died of cancers after having the vaccine

But since people die of cancers anyway and since 90% of the population has had at least the primary vaccine, of course there will be overlap.

Just as there would between any activity 90% of the population had done - used sunscreen, eaten meat, worn uniforms, anything.

The question is whether there is an increase and whether that is more so in vaccinated population, all other things being equal in both groups ( age, pre existing conditions etc)

Basic scientific research- not collecting confirmation bias articles from YouTube,Facebook and co.
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And it matters not if 90 percent or 40 percent are. The fact that cancers and other disorders are on the rise by more than 400 percent is concerning. Since most people havent changed their life in the last 4 years, what is the only thing that has changed? Vax...
 
Tazx said:
And it matters not if 90 percent or 40 percent are. The fact that cancers and other disorders are on the rise by more than 400 percent is concerning. Since most people havent changed their life in the last 4 years, what is the only thing that has changed? Vax...
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This thread seems very important to you. I'm just curious why you feel such an urgency to convince everyone in here to agree with your viewpoint.
 
Tazx said:
To save their lives from vax damage.
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Thanks for your concern, but I'm sure you can understand that it's a little late for those of use who have already been vaccinated. For them, I would like to offer this:

FROM MAYO CLINIC
(Mayo Clinic is consistently ranked in the U.S. News & World Report rankings of top hospitals and is regularly acknowledged among the very best in the nation.)

FROM BLOODCANCER UK
(Blood Cancer UK funds research into blood cancers like leukemia, lymphoma, and myeloma. Their goal is to help ensure that patients are diagnosed early and accurately, and that they receive effective treatments with minimal side effects.)

From the American Cancer Society
(This link warns of viruses that can cause cancer, and includes information on the vaccines that prevent those viruses. Unless I missed something, I only found one statement linking vaccines as a possible cause of cancer: "Some polio vaccines prepared between 1955 and 1963 were made from monkey cells and were later found to be contaminated with SV40." (Medical science has come a long way since 1963.)

From CDC: Possible Side Effects from Vaccines
(This link contains several warnings about risks of vaccines, some serious; most mild.)

No vaccines (or prescription medications) come without any risk.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Thanks for your concern, but I'm sure you can understand that it's a little late for those of use who have already been vaccinated. For them, I would like to offer this:

FROM MAYO CLINIC
(Mayo Clinic is consistently ranked in the U.S. News & World Report rankings of top hospitals and is regularly acknowledged among the very best in the nation.)

FROM BLOODCANCER UK
(Blood Cancer UK funds research into blood cancers like leukemia, lymphoma, and myeloma. Their goal is to help ensure that patients are diagnosed early and accurately, and that they receive effective treatments with minimal side effects.)

From the American Cancer Society
(This link warns of viruses that can cause cancer, and includes information on the vaccines that prevent those viruses. Unless I missed something, I only found one statement linking vaccines as a possible cause of cancer: "Some polio vaccines prepared between 1955 and 1963 were made from monkey cells and were later found to be contaminated with SV40." (Medical science has come a long way since 1963.)

From CDC: Possible Side Effects from Vaccines
(This link contains several warnings about risks of vaccines, some serious; most mild.)

No vaccines (or prescription medications) come without any risk.
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Actually yes there is. No vaccines in your body equal no risk.
 
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