But, it's against my religious beliefs!!!!

Fine, she should rot in jail, but not likely. And now she is getting her fifteen minutes of fame...
 

Dame Warrigal said:
It sounds like she is choosing to martyr herself and will be seen as such by people with a like view of same sex marriage.
Martyrdom doesn't actually have very much to do with right or wrong.
It is about refusing to give in in the face of sanctions.
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In actuality those taking her position are in the minority here.. She is being looked at as a bigoted idiot.. NOT a martyr.
 
Martyrdom is in the eye of the one, not the onlookers.

Joan of Arc was seen as deluded by her opponents.
So was Stephen, the first Christian martyr.

Without people opposed to you, people that you can defy, there is no martyrdom.

In her mind, she is standing up for the right, and she could possibly decide to spend the rest of her life in jail.
There are people who would applaud her action.
 

I think she is either 1) a nut case, or 2) being used by some religious right group to become a "martyr" for their beliefs.

I don't think she belongs in jail, though. Why not just fire her? Isn't that the usual course of events when a person refuses to do the job they are getting paid for?
 
Sunny said:
I think she is either 1) a nut case, or 2) being used by some religious right group to become a "martyr" for their beliefs.

I don't think she belongs in jail, though. Why not just fire her? Isn't that the usual course of events when a person refuses to do the job they are getting paid for?
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You can't just fire an elected official. I think impeachment is an option.
 
Sunny said:
I think she is either 1) a nut case, or 2) being used by some religious right group to become a "martyr" for their beliefs.

I don't think she belongs in jail, though. Why not just fire her? Isn't that the usual course of events when a person refuses to do the job they are getting paid for?
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She's in jail because she refused/defied a court order, not because she didn't perform a job duty.
 
Shalimar said:
I find it difficult to comprehend how first world people can take some of these individuals seriously, particularly when their
private lives are often less than stellar.
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Its not about intelligence. Its about being indoctrinated from cradle to grave immersed in a society where expressing a contrary view destroys relationships and hurts loved ones to no avail. Its extremely difficult to alter early impressions, especially when reinforced on a weekly, and often daily basis. Rationalizing absurdity has become an art form.
 
What is going to be interesting is that she is one of three clerks refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples and if the state legislators do not act to impeach them, the DoJ is going to rein down on the state of KY. The governor is refusing to deal with it because he wants to wait until a new governor is on office, and then the state could change state law to somehow accommodate the clerks... but they are still breaking federal law. I do not see how those people think they can get around the federal government.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/02/us/same-sex-marriage-kentucky-supreme-court.html?_r=0
 
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Originally Posted by Ralphy1 There are a lot people applauding her right now...

One of the things that make it easier for me to accept my mortality.

Couldn't have answered that better meself.

I was listening to the news on the way home. She has a lawyer determined to keep appealing. Her hubby is carrying a sign about Sodom and Gomorrah and she's still whining...I know some really good uses for duct tape...
 
Shalimar said:
Underock, what you say makes a great deal of sense. I neglected to allow for brainwashing disguised as love. An insidious form of abuse.
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Thank you Shalimar. I am afraid I am becoming less and less tolerant of the intolerant. I don't hate Christians. As you could tell from my post, almost everyone I love in the world is one. I well remember the warm feeling of sitting in church with my family, surrounded by a community of people who truly cared for each other. What I see on my TV every day now is not that.
We have four different religious channels grouped next to each other. As I flip by them all I hear is a steady stream of mind poison and exploitation of the ignorant, always loudly proclaimed as "THE TRUTH". :yuk:
 
Spot on, especially this......."Funny thing in all of this… Kim says she’s a Democrat. Well as far as I’m concerned, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and uses religion to justify hate, then it’s a member of the GOP by default. I mean it. Really."
 
See how I feel about religion is believe whatever makes you happy, or don't. But no one has the right to shove their faith down someone else's throat. I know some women at work who are devout Christians. There's one who sings gospel in the bathroom...and I wish I could be as happy as she always sounds. But no hate speech from them, all are black and all will tell you their G-d loves everybody, no exceptions.

Those are worthy Christians. My family goes all over the map with religion. I have relations in PA who are the very fundamentalists I despise. I lean towards Judaism. My hubby is lapsed Catholic, one son agnostic and one son practicing Buddhist...well you know we're covered on all fronts. But religion is an individual thing.
 
Underock1 said:
Its not about intelligence. Its about being indoctrinated from cradle to grave immersed in a society where expressing a contrary view destroys relationships and hurts loved ones to no avail. Its extremely difficult to alter early impressions, especially when reinforced on a weekly, and often daily basis. Rationalizing absurdity has become an art form.
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But she wasn't indoctrinated from cradle to grave. She has been married four times (or maybe only 3). One of her children was fathered by her husband-in-waiting while she was still married to the one before him. She "found the Lord" fairly recently.
 
Underock1 said:
Thank you Shalimar. I am afraid I am becoming less and less tolerant of the intolerant. I don't hate Christians. As you could tell from my post, almost everyone I love in the world is one. I well remember the warm feeling of sitting in church with my family, surrounded by a community of people who truly cared for each other. What I see on my TV every day now is not that.
We have four different religious channels grouped next to each other. As I flip by them all I hear is a steady stream of mind poison and exploitation of the ignorant, always loudly proclaimed as "THE TRUTH". :yuk:
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I agree. I am a person of faith, and what we hear from these evangelical fanatics has nothing to do with Christianity.
 
I have often marveled at the straws some will clutch in order to belong. I suppose there is a certain safety in a structured paint by number life. Frankly, it frightens me. If I give over my right to personally decide what is moral and what is not to a right wing fanatical organisation/church only faintly espousing Christian values, how am I not brainwashed? Where is my free will?
 

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