Syrian Refugee Crisis

WhatInThe said:
Heard a stat of 5% of those refugees probably up to no good or had a terrorist past or ties. This is why any country needs controlled immigration even if it's getting a photo and fingerprints along with their chosen name, reward those refugees by advancing them in the process if their background is more verifiable. Not saying toss the others back but you can't let them lose in society with some processing/investigations.
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I believe that is what the role is of the UNHCR is. http://www.unhcr.ca

I think that one of their roles is to verify the legitimacy of refugee claimants.
 

Don M. said:
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I am especially confused by the thinking of Any Western Women who fully support this immigration. Do these women harbor a secret wish to spend their lives wearing a burka and veil, and being treated as Chattel???
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You didn't seriously ask that question did you?

Good people reach out to help. And when women see other women and their children suffering, we respond from the heart and as we have done for generations, we sometimes/often are willing to put fear aside in order to reach out. Historically women have suffered at the hands of abusers and we identify with other women and children who suffer. Even today, you look at the local governments in America (primarily run by white men) who would see rape victims prevented even in the early weeks, from terminating pregnancies that resulted. The abuse is still there despite how nice you are to your wife. My guess is that that's what Shalimar was thinking of or variations, in her last comment.
 
Debby said:
Bob, one thing that I've discovered in all of the reading that I've been doing over the past couple of years is that 'my enemy today......is my associate/ally tomorrow'. It is quite amazing really. I would also point out that 100 years ago, the US invaded Cuba, took away Guantanamo, than fifty years ago (approximates for number of years) laid sanctions against Cuba that impoverished that country and yet here' you and they' are today.....times change, leaders and agenda's change and grudges accomplish nothing as a rule. Japan would be another excellent example.

One thing that would probably help is if the US used its influence with the Saudi's, Qatar and Kuwait to bring about an end to the support that ISIS is apparently still receiving from groups in those countries. As late as 2014, those countries have wealthy donors that are making sure that ISIS is funded, supplied with arms, etc. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html
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Yes, in years past the US was not happy with a communist neighbor and made that very public. We even stood down Communist Russia and they left Cuba. Now we have a left leaning socialist type person that has no ongoing hate for a communist neighbor, so now we are shaking hands with what was in the past an enemy of the US way of thinking about freedom for the individuals.

We also have a large group of former Cubans living in the US. Many living in Florida. One of our Presidential hopefuls was raised to a Cuban escapee family. Nothing is better in Cuba these days but now with the borders opened again I expect to see more freedom leaking into Cuba. When the Castro's are gone, maybe some change over from hard communist to a more lenient type of government will take place.

Hopefully.
 

I guess we are VERY particular about our immigrants.. BROWN people and MUSLIMS need not apply. BUT I don't think we are going to see a whole bunch of White Europeans clamoring to get into the USA.. They have it much better in their home country.. although they would be the "acceptable" type to come here..
 
QuickSilver said:
I guess we are VERY particular about our immigrants.. BROWN people and MUSLIMS need not apply. BUT I don't think we are going to see a whole bunch of White Europeans clamoring to get into the USA.. They have it much better in their home country.. although they would be the "acceptable" type to come here..
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Not sure where you got that information, as it is wrong. We do have many brown peoples living and arriving in the US. Brown I assume is about *****'s from Africa or Native Indians from Mexico, Central, or South America. We have Muslims arriving all the time and some areas of some cities have turned into Muslim centers. When I was working in a visitor center we would every once in a while get a European that would stop in and ask about moving to the US. I personally talked with an English lady and a German man. There are lots of nice historical places to live in Europe but housing in general is smaller than the average US house of about 1,800 sq ft. Many homes in England or Germany are more closer to 1,000 sq ft.
 
Debby said:
Would it be fair to say QS that your comment was as they say, 'tongue in cheek'? A little bit of Colbert style sarcasm/humor?
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They as in white anglo saxon English speaking immigrants.. preferably Christian.. maybe even an occasional Jew.. BUT no Brown people.. (as in Hispanic) and certainly no Muslims.. We are very particular.. lol!!
 
I just don't see humor in that so I guess my response was wrong.

I have no idea about Colbert. Never watched his shows, nor many others of those night time offerings. I get up at 5am and crash in the evening at about 9pm.
 
Thank you, D.W. for your compassionate and detailed report.(38)
Still cry when I see masses of refugees, (TV or other media).
(Bremen refugee/holding camp, 1947/48).
 
Something for all of us to think about. In the US we have an estimated 100,000 unrecognized folks already living here. They came over, under, around out fences. They came on visitor passes and never left. These are not the ones we already have registered or accounted for so we have lots and lots of real visitor's and lots and lots of unregistered visitors. How many more? That will be up to some a lot smarter than I to decide.

I really don't understand how some of those much smaller countries in Europe can handle so many visitors. I believe some have already started to shut down and now require some good evidence of quality or they don't get to enter. I believe one is Denmark, but maybe today I heard of a couple more lower down and in Europe. I would think we could do a lot better as a world wide police force making sure those wild folks learn to respect each others ideas of moral and fair. Those radicals are busy killing just for no reasons. They are destroying art works and religious structures of hundreds of years age, for no real reasons at all.

Are these the same mentality that caused Europe to put together those crusades hundreds of years back? Maybe we could also put on a crusade, not Christian ideas, but for honesty and safety of all. Maybe a crusade to end religious control of any and all lands.
 
Our PM is right now announcing that Australia will take an additional 12,000 Syrian refugees for permanent settlement. They will be taken from camps in neighbouring countries and will focus on imperilled minority groups and on women, children and families.

In addition he has committed an immediate $44 million to the UN to support 240,000 people in camps.
This is a good start but in twelve months time we would need to see what else we can do.

He has also announced that Australian planes will now be able to strike against ISIS targets in Syria as well as Iraq.
The number of planes is not being increased.
 
I'm somewhat surprised at the willingness of the European nations....especially Austria and Germany....to take in large numbers of these people. Given the experiences of the people in Belgium and the Netherlands, I would think that Germany, especially, would be a bit hesitant to invite this hoard into its midst. Here's an article that gives some insight into what Belgium/the Netherlands has been experiencing. It's a long read, but well worth the time.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4129/islamization-belgium-netherlands
 
Don M. said:
I'm somewhat surprised at the willingness of the European nations....especially Austria and Germany....to take in large numbers of these people. Given the experiences of the people in Belgium and the Netherlands, I would think that Germany, especially, would be a bit hesitant to invite this hoard into its midst. Here's an article that gives some insight into what Belgium/the Netherlands has been experiencing. It's a long read, but well worth the time.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4129/islamization-belgium-netherlands
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"THESE PEOPLE"
" THIS HOARD''
Could weep at the implied contempt!
Do you have any idea what's it like to be a homeless, hungry, unwanted refugee?
Have you ever been one of THESE PEOPLE?

No, I didn't think so!
 
Until we stop believing that it is "ok" for innocent people to suffer because somehow we might be inconvenienced in a way we do not care for, we will never be able to call ourselves Christian/humanitarian nations. Christianity aside, there is no such thing as "those people," only people who desperately need our help. Either all of us are deserving, or none. I do not want to live in a throw away world, where only some merit the right to be acceptable refugee material. I have clothing etc ready to donate to persons arriving in Canada. We can make a difference if we open our hearts. What price humanity? What horrific price, the lack of it?
 
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We have some really good people on this forum. Proud to know you all. I am so tired of all of the haters who only care about who is living in the house down the street. I must say, I am conflicted though. I hate all of the military interventions that end up as unending conflicts, but I just want to lash out. If only the whole world could get together and absolutely crush these inhuman creatures who are causing everyone to flee. The real solution is to make life livable in the countries they are fleeing from. Don't bother coming back at me on this. I am totally aware that this is a stupid and entirely unrealistic thought. I just had to indulge myself in a verbal scream to vent my frustrations. What a massive human tragedy.
 
Shalimar said:
Until we stop believing that it is "ok" for innocent people to suffer because somehow we might be inconvenienced in a way we do not care for, we will never be able to call ourselves Christian/humanitarian nations. Christianity aside, there is no such thing as "those people," only people who desperately need our help. Either all of us are deserving, or none. I do not want to live in a throw away world, where only some merit the right to be acceptable refugee material. I have clothing etc ready to donate to persons arriving in Canada. We can make a difference if we open our hearts. What price humanity? What horrific price, the lack of it?
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Yes, Yes, and Yes! :applause2::applause2::applause2:
 
On a positive note. An older lady, a friend who happens to be Jewish, used to be employed as a seamstress by one of the great design houses back in the day. Even now she dresses like something out of Vogue. Anyway, currently she is turning her talents toward fashioning zillions of beautiful hijabs and headscarves for Muslim refugees arriving in Canada. These head pieces are works of art, each containing a label transcribed in Arabic. "Welcome to Canada. This is your home now, you are one of us." I can't stop tearing up every time I think of this. Humanity, indeed.
 
Shalimar said:
On a positive note. An older lady, a friend who happens to be Jewish, used to be employed as a seamstress by one of the great design houses back in the day. Even now she dresses like something out of Vogue. Anyway, currently she is turning her talents toward fashioning zillions of beautiful hijabs and headscarves for Muslim refugees arriving in Canada. These head pieces are works of art, each containing a label transcribed in Arabic. "Welcome to Canada. This is your home now, you are one of us." I can't stop tearing up every time I think of this. Humanity, indeed.
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I've never met a Jew that I didn't like. Great philanthropists and humanitarians, and pretty darned funny sometimes.
 
Underock you are so right. This lady's humour would make Betty White blush, they are approximately the same age also. I just love her, and her kugel. Every year she buys me Glenfiddich for my birthday. Helps me drink it too!
 
Susie said:
"THESE PEOPLE"
" THIS HOARD''
Could weep at the implied contempt!
Do you have any idea what's it like to be a homeless, hungry, unwanted refugee?
Have you ever been one of THESE PEOPLE?

No, I didn't think so!
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Hoard or horde is a pretty accurate description as to what is going on in Europe right now. Hoard is a lot shorter than massive numbers of refugees. And Europe who has been home turf for two world wars and the Serbian conflict has a right to be worried, cautious or say no. No one is saying don't help the refugees but that all they should get-help, not citizenship, not their battles fought for them, not a job but help until they can return home or have been trained to take back their home. If some of these refugees want asylum, working papers or citizenship then apply for in turn like everyone else and not a line cutter.

Some of these European countries are smaller than a state and getting more immigrants than a larger country gets in one year. You can't overload a life boat or everybody sinks and that's how these refugees are looking at these countries. The EU hedged and hogged when it came to bailing out one of their own-Greece so what are they supposed to do to finance all of these refugees. To top it off the phrase beggars can't choosers actually fits here because they're not just happy to be in Europe many are demanding countries like Germany or the UK. They are going through Europe like a horde.
 
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Not their battles fought for them? Mon Dieu, c'est tragique! If these battles are not fought "for them," zillions of innocents will continue to suffer heinous torment, slavery, rape, death etc. at the hands of monsters. That is simply not acceptable. These are not nameless statistics but human beings, not a "horde." In my book, principals outweigh convenience.
 

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