Immigration Is Damaging Britain...You Don't Say....I Didn't Know That!!!

[Warrigal]

We celebrate immigration in Australia. Without it we wouldn't be the country that we are.
We'd be like the Falkland Islands but on a much bigger island.

Every school child can probably sing this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vlfc647M3w

We still need immigrants and we have room for refugees as well.

 

[Butterfly]

What ever happened to assimilation. It's the migrants that should be worried about not offending the host they imposed themselves on.

Agree! When we were stationed in various parts of the world, we always got a briefing about not offending the locals, NOT the other way round!

 

[Warrigal]

Assimilation is about interaction. If we want people to fit in with us, perhaps we should invite them to some of the things we do and celebrate.

That's why I have invited the Muslim ladies to come to our church market day.
I've told them that when their mosque is finally opened I want an invitation to visit in return.

 

[Ameriscot]

Yes Warrigail, with respect, that is all well and good.
BUT.
I want a Bacon and Cheese topped Scone at your lovely Kitchen Cafe on Saturday.
I would fly over to Australia just to have one, and to be with you.
But I can't have a lovely and tasty, Bacon and Cheese Topped Scone.
Can I?
Immigration caused that.
Case proved! layful:

'Now they even want to BAN bacon sarnies: Report that said products should be banned at work is yet another example of the national obsession with not causing offence, writes RICHARD LITTLEJOHN

What was I saying on Friday about how the national obsession with not causing offence to anyone is bordering on mental illness'?

Richard Littlejohn is a well known racist. I wouldn't quote someone like him. Read something besides the Daily Mail.

 

[Pookie]

Assimilation is about interaction. If we want people to fit in with us, perhaps we should invite them to some of the things we do and celebrate.

That's why I have invited the Muslim ladies to come to our church market day.
I've told them that when their mosque is finally opened I want an invitation to visit in return.

That's good!

I just think that as Muslims are welcome, you have the right to treat them well and invite them to anything you're involved in. That is a personal choice and it's okay, of course.

Have you ever been to a Mosque? Be very very careful. Be sure you're wearing a burkha and covered completely from head to toe. Be sure you know the callings where you either stand or get down again.

Understand the prayer rituals. Have an authorized copy of the Qu'ran with you, and make sure you studied it before you go, so you understand the prayers.

Also, the prayers and tomes may not be in English and the Imam will not put these in English for you.

Just inviting a few Muslim women to a Christian church function does not make you an ambassador. Have you ever been in the Middle East? I have. Have you ever understood their worship practices? I have.

Dress appropriately, understand the Qu'ran before you go, and learn about prayers.

I wish you luck and I ask, please don't ignore me.

I wish you good blessings.

 

[Warrigal]

Yes, I have been to several mosques, in Turkey, Egypt and Sydney.
As a visitor and a tourist, not as a worshipper.
I was well received each time and never made to feel uncomfortable.

Last year we visited Malaysia and Indonesia but did not enter any of the mosques that were on our itinerary, just admired them from the outside. I did enter a Buddhist temple in Singapore.

Here is a photo of me at the Lakemba mosque in Sydney.



My only concession to my normal dress was to wear, rather badly as it turns out, a shawl over my head.
Naturally I removed my shoes as well.

On the same day we visited a Buddhist ashram (?) in Bankstown, Sydney



And a Sikh gurdwara even closer to my home. They supplied us with a typical Sikh vegetarian meal, which everyone ate sitting on the floor.
This symbolises that in Sikhism there is no class structure. No-one is above anyone else.

I've been back there since and sat through some of the worship ceremony, also sitting on the floor.

 

[Ameriscot]

That's wonderful, Warrigal! A truly open and adventurous mind. An Ashram is Hindu, Buddhists have temples. Love the Buddhist temples in Thailand!

I thought I'd read recently that Australia had become stricter on immigration because so many jobs had disappeared thanks to Tony?

 

[Ameriscot]

The advice … stipulates that employees should be careful of the kinds of foods prepared in communal kitchens in case it upsets colleagues of certain faiths … Professor Adam Dinham suggests not microwaving sausage rolls in a shared kitchen space. He also advises that you should not keep bacon, or bacon rolls, in the fridge if it is shared with people whose beliefs prohibit them from eating pork.


As the excerpt above clarified, the purported “ban” in actuality merely referenced new voluntary guidelines proposed by London-based interfaith group Coexist House Not only were details of the guidelines not provided for review (calling into question whether they even strongly emphasized sensitivity to Muslims over other faiths), but even the nebulous description provided of them in no way described any form of “ban.”

No government agency in the U.S. or UK had a hand in the development of whatever the guidelines contained, nor was any individual or workplace in any way obliged to abide by them.


http://m.snopes.com/offices-ban-pork-muslims

Ack!! I should have known it was a crock. I'd heard this before but didn't think to check on whether it was true.

 

[Warrigal]

In 2013, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, net overseas migration (NOM) reflected an annual gain of 212,700 persons, 9.7% less than in 2012-13.
We are probably accepting a similar level in 2014-2015.

What Tony Abbott did was slash the level of humanitarian migration from 20,000 to 13,500 and make it much harder for people to come in under family reunion. It had nothing to do with unemployment and everything to do with demonising asylum seekers. The increased strictness is purely for electoral advantage.

The number of humanitarian places has since been lifted by 12,000 which isn't as good as it sounds, given the earlier cut backs.

Our unemployment level is around 6% which is not too unmanageable although some states, Tasmania and South Australia have higher levels. There are a lot of regional centres crying out for workers and there have been a couple of successful experiments involving resettling contingents of refugees from the same country in a country town to save the local abattoir or the nursing home, and of course, the schools are grateful for the extra enrolments.

 

[boozercruiser]

Here in the US, I made the mistake of wearing a t-shirt with the American flag on it on cinco de Mayo. I went grocery shopping, and the manager of the store told me to leave.

I was offending Mexican-Americans, so he said. He said I could come back with a different shirt on.

On the outside of this store was the American flag on a pole. The flag was flying as usual.



I replied, "I will when you take down that flag outside. And if you do, I'll never shop here and again and tell everyone I know never to shop here."

He said, "I can't. It's company policy to have the flag out there."

"Excellent," I smiled. "And it's my personal policy, as I gave nearly 26 years in the Army for this country, to wear whatever I want, whenever I want. Have a nice day."

I walked off and continued shopping. He followed me a little, giving me the stink-eye, but I ignored him.

Gaaaaahhhhhh!!

I don't think I'd refuse to cook bacon or pork products around Muslims unless I were in a Muslim country. Manners are one thing, yep, but being run over is quite another.

Thank you for your very interesting post there Pookie.
And the bottom line for me is that it is immigration which has caused that!!!

However, When In Rome, Do as the Romans do springs to mind.
Translated to..
When in America do as the Americans do
When In Australia, do as the Australians do.
When in England, do as the English do.

 

[boozercruiser]

That's good!

I just think that as Muslims are welcome, you have the right to treat them well and invite them to anything you're involved in. That is a personal choice and it's okay, of course.

Have you ever been to a Mosque? Be very very careful. Be sure you're wearing a burkha and covered completely from head to toe. Be sure you know the callings where you either stand or get down again.

Understand the prayer rituals. Have an authorized copy of the Qu'ran with you, and make sure you studied it before you go, so you understand the prayers.

Also, the prayers and tomes may not be in English and the Imam will not put these in English for you.

Just inviting a few Muslim women to a Christian church function does not make you an ambassador. Have you ever been in the Middle East? I have. Have you ever understood their worship practices? I have.

Dress appropriately, understand the Qu'ran before you go, and learn about prayers.

I wish you luck and I ask, please don't ignore me.

I wish you good blessings.

And yet another thought provoking and interesting post which I agree with entirely Pookie.

 

[Warrigal]

Thank you for your very interesting post there Pookie.
And the bottom line for me is that it is immigration which has caused that!!!

However, When In Rome, Do as the Romans do springs to mind.
Translated to..
When in America do as the Americans do
When In Australia, do as the Australians do.
When in England, do as the English do.

Which Australians, Boozer?
There's no way I'm ever going to eat a witchetty grub or dress in a possum skin cloak.
If the Italian immigrants did as the earlier immigrants did, I'd still be eating very boring working class English cuisine that my Australian mother served up and I would never have encountered the flavour of garlic.

I quite like Asian and Middle Eastern food too.

When I was in England we did do as the English did but to this day I'll never understand why pub food always came with a serving of chips, even when your meal included mashed potatoes. And gammon steak - what is that all about?

 

[boozercruiser]

Richard Littlejohn is a well known racist. I wouldn't quote someone like him. Read something besides the Daily Mail.

layful:
Now come on Ameriscot.
Please don't be silly.
Just because Littlejohn flags up the dangers of MASS immigration does not make him a racist.
Or me!
And I will read whatever paper I want, thank you very much.layful:

Please allow me to tell you about something a little personal about myself Ameriscot.

When I met my Wife 20 years ago she had, and of course still has, two black children from a previous relationship with a Jamaican West Indian.
She told me of this during our first dates, and asked me if it mattered.
I of course told her that it did not matter one jot to me, so after a year of knowing each other we got married.
This of course made me a step daddy to two black children, and I am proud to be just that!
I get on very well with both of them, as they are very nice young men.

So there!

Bacon Sarnie anyone?

 

[Shalimar]

Women tend to bristle, quite rightly, when told not to be silly. We consider such terms as both condescending and sexist. I believe Prime Minister Cameron was caught telling women to calm down. Hmm, Canadianyr women would eat him alive for such arrogance. It is always best to address ideas rather than people.

 

[Ameriscot]

Women tend to bristle, quite rightly, when told not to be silly. We consider such terms as both condescending and sexist. I believe Prime Minister Cameron was caught telling women to calm down. Hmm, Canadianyr women would eat him alive for such arrogance. It is always best to address ideas rather than people.

Exactly!

 

[Warrigal]

And I don't see where anyone called you a racist, Boozer.
Perhaps the gentleman doth protest too much?

 

[Ralphy1]

But ar times shouldn't women stifle as Archie told Edith?

 

[Ameriscot]

But ar times shouldn't women stifle as Archie told Edith?

:hit:

 

[Ameriscot]

layful:
Now come on Ameriscot.
Please don't be silly.
Just because Littlejohn flags up the dangers of MASS immigration does not make him a racist.
Or me!
And I will read whatever paper I want, thank you very much.layful:

Please allow me to tell you about something a little personal about myself Ameriscot.

When I met my Wife 20 years ago she had, and of course still has, two black children from a previous relationship with a Jamaican West Indian.
She told me of this during our first dates, and asked me if it mattered.
I of course told her that it did not matter one jot to me, so after a year of knowing each other we got married.
This of course made me a step daddy to two black children, and I am proud to be just that!
I get on very well with both of them, as they are very nice young men.

So there!

Bacon Sarnie anyone?

Yes, Littlejohn is a racist. And having 2 black stepchildren does not mean you are not bigoted. Vote UKIP did you?

 

[boozercruiser]

And I don't see where anyone called you a racist, Boozer.
Perhaps the gentleman doth protest too much?

NO, of course no one here has called me a racist Warrigal.
I am most certainly not.

Protesting too much though?

I can NEVER protest too much about MASS immigration, because it is slowly but surely bringing our country and our culture down by swamping us with cultures which have nothing to do with the indiginous population.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...horing-borders-sees-six-point-rise-month.html

Migration is now a major fear for over half of Britons: Issue of shoring up borders sees six point rise in a month
The British public's concern about immigration has reached record heights
Some 56 per cent of the country say shoring up our borders is crucial
And 40 per cent believe it is the single biggest current concern facing UK.

 

[Ameriscot]

Which Australians, Boozer?
There's no way I'm ever going to eat a witchetty grub or dress in a possum skin cloak.
If the Italian immigrants did as the earlier immigrants did, I'd still be eating very boring working class English cuisine that my Australian mother served up and I would never have encountered the flavour of garlic.

I quite like Asian and Middle Eastern food too.

When I was in England we did do as the English did but to this day I'll never understand why pub food always came with a serving of chips, even when your meal included mashed potatoes. And gammon steak - what is that all about?

Yep. Which Americans? It's a multicultural country as is Australia. And in London there are people from every country in the world.

 

[Warrigal]

Dress appropriately, understand the Qu'ran before you go, and learn about prayers.

Good advice Pookie but you don't have to understand the Qu'ran or learn the Salaah before entering a mosque as a visitor.

We have given our Sunday School children a lesson on Islamic prayers as part of a unit on prayer as a general topic. They learnt about the second pillar of Islam and the rules and prerequisites that are part of this ritual. Our source was a text book designed for Muslim children which a Muslim teacher kindly pointed me to when I was appealing for some help with the lesson. While giving respect to the Islamic tradition, we did emphasise the difference between that and the way we approach prayer as Christians.

PS I love your username. I remember a childhood book about a character called Pookie. A rabbit? I can't remember the details.

Here you are Pookie - I found my memory

 

[Shalimar]

I live in a multicultural society. First nation language, along with the obligatory Francais, is taught as an elective in our schools. We have a new generation of kids some of whom can converse with indigenous people in their own language. This promotes understanding. I have eaten supper with Muslim friends during Ramadan, served Christmas dinner to Muslims, Sikhs, and Jews


on the houseboat, at the same time.Celebrated Chinese New Year with Asian friends. Passover with Jews. My son is godfather to his Chinese Canadian best friend's firstborn son. They consider each other brothers from another mother, best friends since my son was eight. Forty percent of my family are Jewish. I have a Japanese daughter in law, raised Buddhist, now Muslim. I am an

agnostic, leaning toward paganism, but was raised in a Christian household. Canada does not practice assimilation, but celebrates diversity. When misguided people smeared graffiti on a mosque, many people, including Christians, showed up to help clean up. That is multiculturalism in action. I wear Sikh suits on a regular basis, much to the delight of the local Sikh

women. I don't eat rabbit. I have English friends who do, but they would never put it on the menu when inviting me over to dine. That is cultural sensitivity. There are English institutions I would never slam in their presence also. Sensitivity again. Courtesy towards differences does not equal being overrun. I believe in a courteous society.

 

[Shalimar]

Yay Warri! I was raised on that Pookie. I asked Pookie if that was where her name came from, but it was not. I loved those books. I wonder if they are still in print?

 

[Shalimar]

On Boozer's graph, I found it interesting that the people most concerned with the immigration question were 65 and older, while interest declined considerably as age decreased. What is this discrepancy telling us?