United States and Israel attack Iran Early Saturday Morning

Rich said:
I saw on the news this morning that we have 2 aircraft carriers in the region, each cost $6.5 million per day to operate. So, $13 million per day for just those 2 ships.
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Other than being in dry dock for repairs the daily cost while deployed would be the same no matter where the deployment was wouldn't it?
 
hollydolly said:
..understandable.. but in Messy's case we do know where she is because she's told us several times.... (y)
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Today was the first day I didn't say Hup Holland Hup my country is so fabulous. I was once bragging to an American that my country is so social. I typed that in the train. Train was crammed, so I sat on the stairs. A guy had to get out, but I didn't pay attention, cause I was busy bragging how social we are. He stepped over my head and grumbled: Move it! You're in the way! The American said: Yes they're as social as rats LOL.
 
Rossana said:
Finland is a part of NATO.
The difference between the USA and Finland that I tried to demonstrate above, is the fact that they are not allocating most of their budget on military but on the well-being of their citizens. As I am a pacifist, I approve of their priorities vs. ours.
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You are completely right in doing this.
 
Trade said:
Gas at the pump just spiked about 50 cents a gallon around here. As I understand it it averages about a month from when crude comes out of the ground to where you pump it into your tank as gas. So the way it looks to me for the next month or so the oil companies are making an extra 50 cents a gallon for the oil that they paid pre war prices for.

We consume about 376 million gallons of gas per day here in the US. So that works out to a $188 million a day windfall for the oil companies for the next month. And that's just for starters. At 42 gallons per barrel oil the price of oil would have to go up $21 a barrel to warrant a 50 cent per gallon increase in gas prices. So far it's only gone up something like $8 a barrel.

So it looks to me like this war is giving the oil companies an excuse to gouge us at the pump.
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Exactly! There is only one word for it: Greed!
 
Regarding panic. During the COVID-19 PLANdemic, German people hoarded toilet paper, French people bought red wine and condoms. No wonder that even the English speaking world knows the word angst from the Germans. It's the German angst, Germans fear everything, they even fear themselves.
 
In 2012 we bought a house that was only 1400 ft.² but it had electric baseboard heating. The first January we got a bill for $500 and we kept the heat at 68.

After that, we turned off the heat in the bedrooms during the day and only heated the rest of the house at 68. If we wanted to use one of the bedrooms during the day, since two of them were offices, we had space heaters that would warm up the room quickly with the door kept closed.

At 10 PM we turned off the heat in the rest of the house and set our bedroom at 68. it warmed up fairly quickly with the door closed.

When we got up in the morning, it was really cold in the main living area but never below 55. However, we were able to keep our electric bill at $160/month year round. I sold the house five years ago and I’m sure the prices are much higher now.

I often thought the buyer might’ve been shocked when they started to get their first electric bills because they would have no idea how we were keeping the price down so low.

In my Condo, we have central heating, AC and water systems that are boiler based. We don’t get individual bills and it’s in our HOA fees. However, I’ve been surprised at how reasonable it is when I reviewed the budget because I’m on the HOA board so the boilers must be fairly efficient. I do have a small electric bill for my condo which is basically my lights and the fan that runs the AC and heat.
 
Per Iran's constitution, a temporary Leadership Council will assume [or has now assumed] leadership duties and will govern Iran until the 88-member Assembly of Experts selects a new leader.

These are the members of the Council:

Masoud Pezeshkian - Critics have called his administration "moderate" [but] "incompetent" during crises.

Gholamhossein Mohseni Ejei - Chief Justice of Iran, known as a ruthless enforcer of the Islamic Republic's laws, playing a central role in the suppression of political dissent, protests, and the enforcement of strict social policies. Appointed by Supreme Leader Ayatollah AliKhamenei.

Alireza Arafi - hardline Iranian cleric, appointed to the Interim Leadership Council following the death of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei; staunch loyalist to Ali Khamenei's ideology.
 
Trade said:
Gas at the pump just spiked about 50 cents a gallon around here. As I understand it it averages about a month from when crude comes out of the ground to where you pump it into your tank as gas. So the way it looks to me for the next month or so the oil companies are making an extra 50 cents a gallon for the oil that they paid pre war prices for.

We consume about 376 million gallons of gas per day here in the US. So that works out to a $188 million a day windfall for the oil companies for the next month. And that's just for starters. At 42 gallons per barrel oil the price of oil would have to go up $21 a barrel to warrant a 50 cent per gallon increase in gas prices. So far it's only gone up something like $8 a barrel.

So it looks to me like this war is giving the oil companies an excuse to gouge us at the pump.
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There's always money to be made, when conducting a war. Manipulating World oil markets and commodity prices through tariffs is how it's done.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Per Iran's constitution, a temporary Leadership Council will assume [or has now assumed] leadership duties and will govern Iran until the 88-member Assembly of Experts selects a new leader.

These are the members of the Council:

Masoud Pezeshkian - Critics have called his administration "moderate" [but] "incompetent" during crises.

Gholamhossein Mohseni Ejei - Chief Justice of Iran, known as a ruthless enforcer of the Islamic Republic's laws, playing a central role in the suppression of political dissent, protests, and the enforcement of strict social policies. Appointed by Supreme Leader Ayatollah AliKhamenei.

Alireza Arafi - hardline Iranian cleric, appointed to the Interim Leadership Council following the death of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei; staunch loyalist to Ali Khamenei's ideology.
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The first one could be (on best circumstances) a reasonable partner for negotiations, the other ones not.

But negotiations must follow actions by Iran, which demonstrate that they want peace.
 
hollydolly said:
The fuelshortage panic has started as i predicted it would , people are rushing to fill up at the petrol stations, before the prices shoot through the rooof... and this is the result already....

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And so it starts.
 
Well Apparently according to people on the next door app.. garages around here have started already to increase prices at the pumps.. which is a diabolicl liberty because prices have not risen yet.. ..so that's out and out greed..

You can see here from pictures posted.. that even this evening as it grew dark Costco still had constant lines of cars on the forecourt waiting to fill up... before the csts go through the roof, or we run out of suoolies..either or.. and of course the panic buying creates it's own problems

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