Shall we ban politics? Take the poll.

Do you want politcs to be banned from this forum?

  • Yes, ban it.

    Votes: 37 50.0%

  • No, keep it.

    Votes: 37 50.0%
  • Total voters
    74
  • Poll closed .
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Grumpy Ol' Man said:
There ya go! Ending a sentence in a preposition. It's "get out my popcorn"... not "get my popcorn out"!!! @#$%^ :D:D

See. We can even start an argument in a thread about a forum where we argue too much. Love it!!!!
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Oh well...:sentimental:...LOL
 

Grumpy Ol' Man said:
There ya go! Ending a sentence in a preposition. It's "get out my popcorn"... not "get my popcorn out"!!! @#$%^ :D:D

See. We can even start an argument in a thread about a forum where we argue too much. Love it!!!!
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Definitely a legitimate concern.

If Politics is banned then what will be the new area of concern General Discussions, Current News and Hot Topics, etc...

I wish I had more important things to think about but the sad truth is I don't!
 
Aunt Bea said:
Definitely a legitimate concern.

If Politics is banned then what will be the new area of concern General Discussions, Current News and Hot Topics, etc...

I wish I had more important things to think about but the sad truth is I don't!
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I'm sure us old coots will come up with SOMETHING to argue about... it's what we do.. BUT.. not sure I will be around much anyway.
 
It's rather pointless to ban anything, anywhere here because people will find a way to inject it into places where it does not belong. At least if it's in it's own forum, those who wish to can avoid it.
 
For whatever it's worth ...

Politics, like religion, sex and humor, are in the eye of the beholder. Since the "beholders" here are so varied in their beliefs and value systems, there is no logical way to make everyone play nice. Matrix, I'm sure you have other, more productive things you could be doing other than babysitting people when they let their passions fly.

And it isn't just a matter of "Oh, you can just ignore the Politics sub-forum if you don't like it". The problem is that bad feelings, once engendered in that area, spill over into the general forum. That's usually the beginning of the end for a forum, and it would be a shame to see that happen here.

I was censured by other members for attempting to bring a little levity to the board. Imagine if I had had a passion for politics? I would have been positively banned!

As for finding a non-partial moderator for the politics section - yeah, good luck with that. :rolleyes:

My vote - between the waste of Matrix's time and the bad feelings that spill over into the board - get rid of it.
 
I believe Matrix will make a decision based on what he feels best for his forum. I see the problem and can not offer any solution other than banning the political sub forum. As a member I have an opinion that we are all "good guys" but in expressing our ideas or solutions to political matters we ca provoke others to unfriendly responses. I see only one reason for retaining the political sub forum and that is that some of us like to engage in the discussions. That being the situation here is my advise to Matrix, who is offering us this forum for our use at his expense: I would ban politics from the forum since there are many outlets for political discussion all over the internet that our members can go to to vent their feelings and when the want to talk about their other interests they can post here with people who like them and are not tainted by their political opinions. We have secret ballots to protect our right to exercise our political expression at the poll, our opinions are not needed here. Finally, who changes any minds with their opinion on the internet anyhow?
 
AZ Jim said:
I believe Matrix will make a decision based on what he feels best for his forum. I see the problem and can not offer any solution other than banning the political sub forum. As a member I have an opinion that we are all "good guys" but in expressing our ideas or solutions to political matters we ca provoke others to unfriendly responses. I see only one reason for retaining the political sub forum and that is that some of us like to engage in the discussions. That being the situation here is my advise to Matrix, who is offering us this forum for our use at his expense: I would ban politics from the forum since there are many outlets for political discussion all over the internet that our members can go to to vent their feelings and when the want to talk about their other interests they can post here with people who like them and are not tainted by their political opinions. We have secret ballots to protect our right to exercise our political expression at the poll, our opinions are not needed here. Finally, who changes any minds with their opinion on the internet anyhow?
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Yet Jim.... it appears that there is a pretty even divide between the keeps and the get rid ofs.. .. why does one half get to dictate what the other half is allowed to enjoy? Why are the feelings of one group more important than the feelings of the other group? This "tie" needs to be broken by matrix and matrix alone... I'm sure he is weighing all the pros and possible cons..
 
Lolly said:
Yet Jim.... it appears that about one half like the political forum and participating there... why does one half get to dictate what the other half is allowed to enjoy? Why are the feelings of one group more important than the feelings of the other group?
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Ultimately Lolly I made my feelings known in my post and really can't express my feeling any better. Forums are not a democracy, they are paid for, owned and managed by folks who have to deal with their management. I see the problems of having discussions that hurt feeling and breakup otherwise friendly members relationships. Who makes the best pizza is not divisive,
 
Lolly said:
... why does one half get to dictate what the other half is allowed to enjoy? Why are the feelings of one group more important than the feelings of the other group? ...
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Isn't that also how the electoral process goes? :p

I think Matrix's decision will be like the Electoral College - it doesn't matter what the actual number of votes by "we the people" turns out to be; he'll have the ultimate yay/nay powers.
 
AZ Jim said:
Ultimately Lolly I made my feelings known in my post and really can't express my feeling any better. Forums are not a democracy, they are paid for, owned and managed by folks who have to deal with their management. I see the problems of having discussions that hurt feeling and breakup otherwise friendly members relationships. Who makes the best pizza is not divisive,
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Which is why it is Matrix's call... it's his forum and his decision...

Do you not think there will not be hard feelings on the part of the people who enjoyed the political section against those so vocal about taking it away?
 
Lolly said:
Which is why it is Matrix's call... it's his forum and his decision...

Do you not think there will not be hard feelings on the part of the people who enjoyed the political section against those so vocal about taking it away?
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I hope they understand his feelings in doing so. There are very few who come here for politics alone in my view. You won't stop being my friend I hope should he decide to do away with politics?
 
chic said:
It's rather pointless to ban anything, anywhere here because people will find a way to inject it into places where it does not belong. At least if it's in it's own forum, those who wish to can avoid it.
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Agreed. Matrix and SeaBreeze will still have a problem moderating political arguments and they will have to scrutinise more sections to do it.
 
Warrigal said:
Agreed. Matrix and SeaBreeze will still have a problem moderating political arguments and they will have to scrutinise more sections to do it.
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Good point, hadn't thought of that. I've seen "politicized" posts in inappropriate sections of the forum, and reported it. The admins probably think I'm just being a jerk, but I was trying to help.
 
AZ Jim said:
I hope they understand his feelings in doing so. There are very few who come here for politics alone in my view. You won't stop being my friend I hope should he decide to do away with politics?
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"Do you not think there will not be hard feelings on the part of the people who enjoyed the political section against those so vocal about taking it away?"



Sure but then there are hard feelings about those who voted for Trump or Clinton too.
 
Now when I read the political forum, every thread seems to divide and hurt the community. "Politics" and "community" are exclusive to each other.

If politics was banned here, those who enjoy posting in politics can find many other forums to continue the debate, but if a member was banned or left SF because of politics, s/he doesn't have many choices, I don't know any active forums catering to American seniors.

Thanks everyone for your input, I see more clearly with this poll thread.
 
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