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The mix of laws from state to state doesn't help. This reference does a decent job of explaining why IMO a set of laws developed by the federal government should be the law of the land.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state


But as we all know, laws are only as good as the people that obey them. Is it realistic to think it's possible to solve the why of a person deciding to kill one or many?

To Warrigal's post about the border.

The idea is nice but when millions of illegals have entered & drugs & guns are brought across our border daily I don't have much faith in border security stopping anything
 

Warrigal said:
I know that this information will not meet the US 2nd Amendment test but I'm posting it anyway for everyone's information. In Australia's case, a lot of control begins at the border but in US it would have to begin with the manufacturers.

The following is part of the National Firearms Agreement 2017 between the Australian Government and the states.

Category C includes semi automatics and pump action long guns.



The full agreement is here: https://www.ag.gov.au/LegalSystem/Firearms/Documents/2017-national-firearms-agreement.pdf
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You're on an island. Granted, it's a huge one, but it is an island.
 
It is easier when your nation is an island, with no land borders.

Our customs people do a pretty good job and the police follow up. The principal importers of illegal firearms have been the bikers and we have laws that ban rogue clubs. They have been raided and contraband has been confiscated - drugs and firearms mostly.
 
Cap'n Mike said:
This is doing the rounds on Facebook over here - from a non American point of view well worth a watch.

Is this Philip Van Cleave a "typical" American? Heaven help you, no wonder you can't have any control!

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1726743230752057/
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I don't think Philip Van Cleave could be considered a "typical" representative of an American. All you have to do is read the posts here to understand that pro gun control is preferred is to read the posts. It's the laws that are so varied that enforcing them from state to state can be difficult.

Read Warrigals post # 229 then consider America has 2 land [border] accesses and multiple port access to monitor. If Australia still has problems with gangs try to imagine the gang activity in America. Instead of that this should help.

Some 33,000 violent street gangs, motorcycle gangs, and prison gangs with about 1.4 million members are criminally active in the U.S. and Puerto Rico today. Many are sophisticated and well organized; all use violence to control neighborhoods and boost their illegal money-making activities, which include robbery, drug and gun trafficking, prostitution and human trafficking, and fraud. Many gang members continue to commit crimes even after being sent to jail.
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/violent-crime/gangs

Laws are only as good as the people that obey them. Where it gets sticky is when a non gang person decides to kill like the man did in Las Vegas.

There should be a distinction between gun laws & gun control.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/mass-shootings/?utm_term=.1ed3d88ce189

I favor gun control then uniform gun laws. Reduction in death to an innocent person whether one or 100 might eventually be achieved.
 
Cap'n Mike said:
Meant to ask when you posted this, so do you actually carry this gun around with you, all the time?
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Not 100% of the time, but I often carry it. I'm a walker, and most of the time it's safe but sometimes it simply isn't. I got my permit when I worked nights in a building that was deserted at night and I had to go outside to get in my car.

I was in a Walmart a few years ago when a female employee was about to be murdered by her boyfriend when a customer pulled out his gun and killed the creep. There's a culture here of violence against women, and the perpetrators are almost never punished to the degree one would expect.

The Mexican cartels have discovered they can make some extra pocket money by kidnapping people in the U.S. and holding them for ransom. Women who are walking or running are easy prey.

It's probably difficult for anyone who doesn't live around here to comprehend the random, almost casual violence we've come to expect.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/opinion/sunday/goodbye-albuquerque-land-of-violence.html
 
[FONT=&quot]A recent Home Office survey of drug use in England and Wales estimated that in the last year, just over two million people used cannabis, three quarters of a million people used cocaine, half a million people used ecstasy, whereas only 25,000 used methamphetamine so it's not a huge problem here, yet!
I don't think "Breaking bad" has helped as it introduced tens of thousands of people to it who otherwise would have no idea it existed![/FONT]
 
Smiling Jane said:
I own a handgun and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. I've won trophies for marksmanship so I'm not concerned about hitting my target. I'm not suicidal, my gun has a good trigger guard and there are no children in or around my home. I've been shot and I don't want to recreate that experience.
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I apparently missed this post before. I'm wondering what you carry as well as what method you use: holster, purse, something else? Lots of folks like to get new ideas.

I love the fact that women are the fastest growing group of gun buyers. Years ago, the only woman whom I normally saw at gun shows was my late wife and, of course, the wives of dealers. My wife was knowledgeable about the subject: something that surprised many men at the time. Today, there are many women who know guns. We need to see more.
 
Cap'n Mike said:
This is doing the rounds on Facebook over here - from a non American point of view well worth a watch.

Is this Philip Van Cleave a "typical" American? Heaven help you, no wonder you can't have any control!

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1726743230752057/
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By "control", I'm taking for granted you are referring specifically to guns. I watched as much of that video as I could stand. I've never heard of Phillip Van Cleave, but he did at least try to point out that our constitution states that our right to bear arms, to own guns/weapons, can not be infringed. I think what a lot of people forget is that both our constitution and our bill of rights tell our government what can and cannot be done, not the other way around. Therefore, when elected officials and law-enforcement agencies and departments take an oath to uphold and protect these documents, they are promising to not only obey the list of rules, if you will, that we set down for them, they also promise to kill any bill or proposals that would infringe on the rights that we set forth.

It's a shame that Van Cleave didn't immediately explain this point.
 
Big Horn said:
I apparently missed this post before. I'm wondering what you carry as well as what method you use: holster, purse, something else? Lots of folks like to get new ideas.

I love the fact that women are the fastest growing group of gun buyers. Years ago, the only woman whom I normally saw at gun shows was my late wife and, of course, the wives of dealers. My wife was knowledgeable about the subject: something that surprised many men at the time. Today, there are many women who know guns. We need to see more.
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I currently have a Ruger LC9, one of a class of handguns called pocket pistols. I wear it in a belly band holster so it's on my person and quite comfortable except in the hottest part of summer (I'm in New Mexico). During the summer I wear a tank top with the belly band over it and a looser shirt over that. I'm shopping for a belly band that isn't black and that's more comfortable against my skin.

I grew up hunting with my older brother and his friends from an early age and in high school I began shooting competitively. I've always been comfortable with guns. One of my friends is a gun dealer who sells at gun shows. He's very helpful, kind of my gun maven. If he doesn't know, he steers me to someone who does.
 
Big Horn said:
I love the fact that women are the fastest growing group of gun buyers.
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REALLY? Next it'll be everybody over the age of 10 :( And so it propagates! The more the merrier.
Sorry, I just cannot get my mind round this obsession, almost pride that you are all prepared to kill someone. :(
 
Cap'n Mike said:
REALLY? Next it'll be everybody over the age of 10 :( And so it propagates! The more the merrier.
Sorry, I just cannot get my mind round this obsession, almost pride that you are all prepared to kill someone. :(
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It's not pride that one is prepared to kill someone else, but rather to defend oneself from predators. If you'd ever been a victim or near victim of violence, you'd probably understand it better.
 
Cap'n Mike said:
REALLY? Next it'll be everybody over the age of 10 :( And so it propagates! The more the merrier.
Sorry, I just cannot get my mind round this obsession, almost pride that you are all prepared to kill someone. :(
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This is how you respond to my praise for women who purchase guns in order that they may defend themselves. Women are not second class citizens in this country.
 
Cap'n Mike said:
REALLY? Next it'll be everybody over the age of 10 :( And so it propagates! The more the merrier.
Sorry, I just cannot get my mind round this obsession, almost pride that you are all prepared to kill someone. :(
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There's a world of difference between "pride that you are all prepared to kill someone" and being willing to protect ourselves from the thugs, drug addicts, drug cartels and gang-bangers around us. You've admitted you didn't realize how bad it is in the U.S. and in the next breath you're comdemning us for taking up arms to protect ourselves. Make up your mind and land somewhere.

In a mugging for drug money, I was shot directly in the chest at point-blank range. I won't allow anything like that to happen to me again if there is anything I can do to prevent it.

I don't care if that bothers you because you aren't here to protect me, are you?

Talk is cheap. Buy a vowel and spare me from your judgment.
 
Big Horn said:
This is the official British position on self-defense.

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q589.htm
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Impressive. In other words, don't do anything because you may be the one who goes to jail, even if you only hit him with your silk scarf. I'd like to see them try that in Baltimore or Chicago.

Always look on the bright side of life. Too funny. I enjoy watching the British pretend they're civilized after all those years of subjugating other countries and stealing their wealth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
 
Mr. Horn. Canucks don't carry handguns either, however, at present, we feel quite free. We aren't really worried about being killed, you see. With a homicide rate averaging about 550 people per year, including all form of homicide not just gunshot fatalities , among approx 36 million people, we don't really feel our defence rights are being violated.
 
Big Horn said:
This is how you respond to my praise for women who purchase guns in order that they may defend themselves. Women are not second class citizens in this country.
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One moment please, I am a Canadian woman, and I am not a second class citizen. Everyone who is not in agreement with your position on a subject does not deserve to be castigated. Canadian women do not carry handguns, and I assure you, we

experience far less violence per capita than the lovely American ladies. As do the Brits for that matter. I think we should confine ourselves to debate rather than trashing each other's countries. Given the cultural divide, it would be odd if we did not find certain aspects of accepted custom in different countries puzzling.
 
At 1.7 deaths per million annually, Australians have roughly the same chance of being shot to death as American have of falling from a structure or high building.

The Japanese die from gunshot as frequently as Americans are struck by lightning (0.1 in 1 million)

In the United States, the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people — the equivalent of 27 people shot dead every day of the year.

Read the article, look at the graphs and think about the differences.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/...ath-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html
 
chic said:
It's not pride that one is prepared to kill someone else, but rather to defend oneself from predators. If you'd ever been a victim or near victim of violence, you'd probably understand it better.
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I can understand having to defend yourself from predators.

What I cannot understand is that someone like Paddock needs all those weapons and ammunition and enhancements to 'protect' himself.

I think allowing that type of arsenal to a civilian is a bit of overkill don't you think?
 
I'm closing this thread.

I strongly suggest non-US members stay out of gun related discussions, it never ends well.
 

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