Terrorism in America.... just your neighbor going nuts

Eric said:
You're right Camper6 because of the shooter's location, but in the churches, theaters and schools the killer could have been stopped.
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You are sitting in a theatre in the dark. A guy shows up with a semi automatic rifle and starts shooting. What chance have you got?

Same in the schools and churches. Young children can't defend themselves.

It's a poor solution to the problem.
 
Camper6 said:
You are sitting in a theatre in the dark. A guy shows up with a semi automatic rifle and starts shooting. What chance have you got?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a movie theater is only rarely totally dark. The light from the projected film, along with emergency exit lights and aisle lights, provides enough light for the bad guy to see - how can the good guy not?
 

Camper6 said:
The bump stocks are legal.
Only one state has banned them. Massachussets.
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The bump stocks are legal as no one thought of them to be what they do to the guns, which are illegal if shooting faster than the trigger can be pulled. No full automatic is supposed to be happening. Which the bump stock does allow. More states should follow with the illegal application of using them, bump stocks, on the modified military style guns to allow automatic fire once again.
 
Bump stocks do not allow "full auto" operation. Close, but not exactly the same.

But I agree that there is no reason for these devices to be legal. The problem of course is one of, a law is passed banning them, and the determined shooter will simply find another way.
 
SifuPhil said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a movie theater is only rarely totally dark. The light from the projected film, along with emergency exit lights and aisle lights, provides enough light for the bad guy to see - how can the good guy not?
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I'm thinking. You are sitting forward watching the movie. You can't see what is behind you. You are a perfect silhouette.

The good guy is facing the movie. Don't you think these insane murderers know this. That's why they pick these targets.

He comes up from behind with a rapid fire rifle and it's ball game over.
 
SifuPhil said:
Bump stocks do not allow "full auto" operation. Close, but not exactly the same.

But I agree that there is no reason for these devices to be legal. The problem of course is one of, a law is passed banning them, and the determined shooter will simply find another way.
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Let him. Don't make it easy for him.

I checked out your blog. I'm impressed. We are going to be legalizing marijuana in Canada. With all the problems we have with alcohol we need weed like a hole in the head.
 
Camper6 said:
I'm thinking. You are sitting forward watching the movie. You can't see what is behind you. You are a perfect silhouette.

The good guy is facing the movie. Don't you think these insane murderers know this. That's why they pick these targets.

He comes up from behind with a rapid fire rifle and it's ball game over.
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Okay, I agree that the good guys might be silhouetted.

... that's when the ushers come in with their flame throwers. :p
 
Camper6 said:
Let him. Don't make it easy for him.
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Well, you probably know how many Americans are sort of fanatical about having government restrictions placed upon them. If they started passing laws to cover every contingency we'd probably have another civil war.

I checked out your blog. I'm impressed. We are going to be legalizing marijuana in Canada. With all the problems we have with alcohol we need weed like a hole in the head.
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Weed might be the answer to alcoholism, no?

In all the time I was a bouncer I never had a stoner make trouble. Drunks? Sure, loads of them. They don't call it "Courage in a bottle" for nothing.

I know the indigenous peoples in Canada have a problem with alcoholism - don't know what their stance is on weed.
 
SifuPhil said:
Well, you probably know how many Americans are sort of fanatical about having government restrictions placed upon them. If they started passing laws to cover every contingency we'd probably have another civil war.



Weed might be the answer to alcoholism, no?

It's already available and causing problems. They double up.

In all the time I was a bouncer I never had a stoner make trouble. Drunks? Sure, loads of them. They don't call it "Courage in a bottle" for nothing.

I know the indigenous peoples in Canada have a problem with alcoholism - don't know what their stance is on weed.
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I don't know either. I'm not looking forward to legalization. When you legalize more people will try it.

At one time gambling was illegal. When they legalized it I got hooked. The police chiefs are against it. Just more problems for them as if they don't have enough to do.

When Canadians enter the U.S. they will run into customs officers. It's not legal in the U.S. A conviction in Canada can keep you from entering the U.S.
 
Pete said:
'Camper6' I feel that 'chic' did not mean children should be armed, but her comment was directed at the adults that are responsible for the children's safety. However after 20 years living in the Alaskan bush I have found that most families do not keep their firearms away from their children but instruct them how to safely handle and fire them. Of course up here it is out of necessity that they learn early about firearms because for them it is a question of not only food but safety.
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When I was a little kiddo, my immediate and extended family also had guns around, and from a very early age, we were instructed on gun safety and use. We knew absolutely that they were not toys and that we should not mess with them, and that if we did so terrible wrath would come down upon us. As we grew older, we were taught how to fire them, with a strong emphasis on safe handling. It was just like any other thing around the house -- don't touch the stove, don't stick your finger in a light socket, don't mess with rattlesnakes or knives, NEVER assume a weapon is not loaded, etc.

It wasn't a big deal to us.
 
Butterfly said:
When I was a little kiddo, my immediate and extended family also had guns around, and from a very early age, we were instructed on gun safety and use. We knew absolutely that they were not toys and that we should not mess with them, and that if we did so terrible wrath would come down upon us. As we grew older, we were taught how to fire them, with a strong emphasis on safe handling. It was just like any other thing around the house -- don't touch the stove, don't stick your finger in a light socket, don't mess with rattlesnakes or knives, NEVER assume a weapon is not loaded, etc.

It wasn't a big deal to us.
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Butterfly. Things have changed drastically since you were a child. Back then guns were primarily used for hunting.
Now they are being used for crime.

When you were a child did you ever hear about a school shooting like Newton?

We just had another one in California.
 
Camper6 said:
Butterfly. Things have changed drastically since you were a child. Back then guns were primarily used for hunting.
Now they are being used for crime.

When you were a child did you ever hear about a school shooting like Newton?

We just had another one in California.
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They're saying the nutcase in California had a dispute with a neighbor, and he killed her today.

We always had guns in our home. They were kept in a locked closet, and before we were considered old enough to use them, we had to adhere to my father's version of gun safety. He had a list of rules posted on the inside of the closet and no infractions were tolerated. My brother and I were the only ones beside my father who ever used the guns.

That was in the days before we discovered the most manly men could become famous and go down in history for killing large numbers of total strangers. All the better if they killed school children. It takes a real man to shoot a child.
 
If this keeps happening, the U.S. population will go down instead of up. It's really bad...we never had to worry about this kind of thing when I was young. Today was November mass shooting no. 2
 
Allegedly today's shooting started with a neighbor dispute. He killed the neighbor woman and then went on his rampage.

I have a psycho neighbor I describe as a bad combination of big, mean and stupid. I watch him like a hawk because I don't think it would take much to set him off.
 
Camper6 said:
I don't know either. I'm not looking forward to legalization. When you legalize more people will try it.
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And what is wrong with that? You DO know about the medical benefits of weed, right?

At one time gambling was illegal. When they legalized it I got hooked. The police chiefs are against it. Just more problems for them as if they don't have enough to do.
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Our local casino is owned by the Mohegan tribe of Connecticut. Perhaps the tax cuts, local jobs and profits for the deep-pocket investors outweigh any negative feelings.

When Canadians enter the U.S. they will run into customs officers. It's not legal in the U.S. A conviction in Canada can keep you from entering the U.S.
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Not sure I understand this. 29 U.S. states and D.C. have legalized weed. Besides, if you're smuggling it across borders you aren't too smart to begin with.
 
SifuPhil said:
And what is wrong with that? You DO know about the medical benefits of weed, right?

Medical weed is readily available. No problem with that. Recreational is the issue.

Our local casino is owned by the Mohegan tribe of Connecticut. Perhaps the tax cuts, local jobs and profits for the deep-pocket investors outweigh any negative feelings.

The local casino is sucking money out of the community big time.



Not sure I understand this. 29 U.S. states and D.C. have legalized weed. Besides, if you're smuggling it across borders you aren't too smart to begin with.
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In Canada it will be federal and apply to the entire country. The U.S. is state but still illegal federally. The borders are federal. their job is to keep weed out.
 
Sunny said:
Why single out the US for all this criticism? What about the mass killings in recent years in London, Paris, Barcelona, St. Petersburg, Manchester, Nice, Germany, and Belgium? Take a look at this timeline (yes, I know it's from Fox News, but every once in a while they're right.)

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/11/01/timeline-recent-terror-attacks-against-west.html
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Never look at another country and what they do. It has no effect on th U.S. I don't think we are focusing on terrorism in the opening thread.
 
Butterfly said:
When I was a little kiddo, my immediate and extended family also had guns around, and from a very early age, we were instructed on gun safety and use. We knew absolutely that they were not toys and that we should not mess with them, and that if we did so terrible wrath would come down upon us. As we grew older, we were taught how to fire them, with a strong emphasis on safe handling. It was just like any other thing around the house -- don't touch the stove, don't stick your finger in a light socket, don't mess with rattlesnakes or knives, NEVER assume a weapon is not loaded, etc.

It wasn't a big deal to us.
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This is exactly the way it was in my family too. People are the problem. Of course, we used pistols and rifles to shoot with. No one owned a machine gun. I really don't understand why those are available to civilians as they are designed for warfare, not for target shooting or hunting.
 
When I moved to PA, I was introduced to a great PA custom. The first day of doe season, it always was the Monday after Thanksgiving. On late Sunday, certain bars would blacken their windows and opened their back doors. About 2 AM, Monday, the crowd would drop in. Most of them dress in "camo". Then after drinking for 3 hours, at 5 AM, it was customary to down a couple of shots,because they served as"antifreeze". Then they would head out to shoot something.
 

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