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Somehow the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime.
Ex-cop Michael Slager sentenced to 20 yrs for killing Walter Scott
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And there you have it in a nutshell.
Springer, read answer no. 55 above, where Holly describes the British system, with the unarmed police doing their job just fine. They manage to apprehend criminals without shooting them on the spot.
Also, for the information of you and your gun-totin' buddy, many of the people who have been killed by overzealous cops were not guilty of anything. Several of them that I have read about were what used to be called retarded (I think "mentally challenged" is the term now). and also guilty of being black. In one case, a young man, little more than a child, was killed because he didn't understand that he was supposed to vacate his movie seat when the picture was over. In another case, people have been killed by police for minor traffic infractions. And then there was the Travon Martin case, in which an unarmed teenager was shot and killed by George Zimmerman, who was acquitted because of "lack of evidence?" Zimmerman had a history of calling the police and reporting "suspicious" people walking in his neighborhood. Trayvon Martin was guilty of being black and wearing a hoodie.
Also, for the information of you and your gun-totin' buddy, many of the people who have been killed by overzealous cops were not guilty of anything. Several of them that I have read about were what used to be called retarded (I think "mentally challenged" is the term now). and also guilty of being black. In one case, a young man, little more than a child, was killed because he didn't understand that he was supposed to vacate his movie seat when the picture was over. In another case, people have been killed by police for minor traffic infractions. And then there was the Travon Martin case, in which an unarmed teenager was shot and killed by George Zimmerman, who was acquitted because of "lack of evidence?" Zimmerman had a history of calling the police and reporting "suspicious" people walking in his neighborhood. Trayvon Martin was guilty of being black and wearing a hoodie.
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We can argue back and forth until doomsday, but it will never change the simple fact that Slager was found guilty by a jury of his peers and sentenced to 20 years in a federal prison.
By now, I imagine that every cop in America has heard about this. It can only be hoped that they might think about the consequences of their actions and learn that they can not kill people unless there is darn good reason. Simply saying, "I feared for my life is no longer good enough". The physical evidence must back-up what the cop says.
With those words, I sign off this thread.
By now, I imagine that every cop in America has heard about this. It can only be hoped that they might think about the consequences of their actions and learn that they can not kill people unless there is darn good reason. Simply saying, "I feared for my life is no longer good enough". The physical evidence must back-up what the cop says.
With those words, I sign off this thread.
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Well, that may be true, but this is as well...If we do not support our police we will have anarchy...I guarantee .
That’s partly correct. For ID purposes at that given moment, when we are in pursuit of a vehicle, with the new scanners we are using, I could scan the tag and if the tag comes back and matches up to a licensed driver, (same addresses), I will also get a copy of his/her picture license. If the driver in the vehicle matches up with the picture ID, I can be fairly certain that the driver also is the vehicle’s owner.
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You and I see things differently. Trayvon Martin was shot while beating up a man (who Trayvon knocked to the ground, pounced on, and was continuing to pound on him while he was on the ground) who was trying to perform a community service in his neighborhood, which had a high incidence of burglaries. He was on the phone with the police as part of a community watch program and was trying to keep an eye on a suspicious character who he was not familiar with until the police arrived to check out what he was up to. Zimmerman never tried to get between Trayvon and where Trayvon was trying to go, they only came into physical contact because Trayvon decided that's what he wanted. All that came out in the trial. What also came out in the trial was how the some of the media purposely tried to make it out different than it was and unfortunately a huge part of the population hang on to that twisted, dishonest version of what happened.
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I believe if you've been a police officer for some time, you have developed some skill at reading people. And if you are in such an emotional state that you believe your life is always in imminent danger, maybe police work is not for you. The job does require you to put yourself in danger, whenever you interact with the community. (No way, I'd do it.) The White cop/Black shot incidents are flash points because we've never dealt with racism in the US. We see a Black face at the head table and think aren't we great. We over police Black communities ( stop any Black for any reason). The Police say that's where crime is. Or is the over policing causing Black males to start out life with having bogus criminal records, when they are 13-14. You think this is exaggeration? If you're White, how many times have your kids been stopped and frisked on their way to school?
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"because we've never dealt with racism in the US."
You don't think that the KKK at it's height was racism ?
Human nature has proven over the millennia that people tend to prefer their own kind. That is why there has always been war. The great wall, etc.
Right or wrong ? I'm not going there because I have no answer...& I don't think one has been found.
My personnel opinion?...Don't care for someone ? fine! avoid them, don't attack them.
Support what police, rgp? Should anyone wearing a police uniform be "supported," just because he is a cop? Wasn't that mentality exactly what led to Nazi Germany, and leads to fascist brutality everywhere?
Yes, we should "support" (whatever that means) our decent, law-abiding police, who of course are the majority of police officers. No one should be supported, no matter what he does, simply because he is wearing a uniform.
Good grief, man, listen to what you are saying!
Ooh--interesting debate.
The only time that the police can do no wrong is in a police state, and that's only if they don't tick off the dictator. That's coming from a background where relatives died in the Holocaust. Makes one quite sensitive about things like that.
Just my 1-1/2 cents.
The only time that the police can do no wrong is in a police state, and that's only if they don't tick off the dictator. That's coming from a background where relatives died in the Holocaust. Makes one quite sensitive about things like that.
Just my 1-1/2 cents.
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Good grief woman? listen to what you are saying . Don't you know who your police are ?
Support means just that , support them...they are the only line between us & pure anarchy...do you really want increased numbers of even more sinister criminals running the streets ?
Too many want to scrutinize the officers every move / step, after the confrontation with these thugs. Why is it that so few want to look so closely at the actions of the thug. Yes , indeed sometimes things go badly, officers make mistakes, and when guns & split-second decisions are involved .....people can be hurt & killed in a heartbeat.
And ALL of this can be prevented if the criminal(s) weren't just that....criminals. But that is seldom mentioned. Their fate is in their hands. Behave...period.
This guy Walker had a bench warrant , & was thousands of dollars behind in child support. Turn yourself in, and make arrangements to get caught up on the child support. That's called being responsible . But instead he chose not to. As such he is riding around with this guilt / fear.....all keyed up and when the police car pulled behind him....irrational thinking & behavior began to take over. He jumps out, & bolts. If you were an officer, would you not think , damn this guy must be guilty of something serious? It his job, at that time to stop the fleeing suspect.
It all went bad from there....Mr Walker brought about his own death...pure & simple.
And it just amazes me the number of people, that proclaim to know what was in the officers mind & thoughts...and somehow arrived that he WANTED to kill.
Do you all want timid, hesitant officers out there?...afraid to engage / approach ? For fear of the situation going bad, his every move under a microscope , and if these non-professional people decide he acted improperly , he should go to prison?.....I do not !
I would much rather send the message of intimidation to the criminals .
And that message of intimidation is WE SUPPORT OUR POLICE !
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Today, there's no discrimination of non-White races in our hiring practices, we just don't hire them. There's absolutely no discrimination in home buying, as long as non-Whites buy homes in the non White sections of town. And because non-Whites live in statistically higher crime rate areas; their home loans, and their home/auto insurances rates reflect that higher exposure. That's just the way things are.
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Getting back to the subject of Michael Slager, when he gets out of prison he will be 55 yrs old - only 5 yrs older than Walter Scott was when Slager murdered him.
Ditto, Olivia. And the expression "Never again!" that came out of the Holocaust certainly applies here.
I wonder if by the time the criminal, Michael Slager, gets out of prison, it will be safe to have him on the streets. I think the philosophy is that a lot of these hotheaded idiots have gained a little wisdom in their later years, or at least have slowed down. Maybe there's less adrenaline pumping through their system. Does anybody know, are there any cases of recidivism among older criminals who have finished serving their sentence?
I wonder if by the time the criminal, Michael Slager, gets out of prison, it will be safe to have him on the streets. I think the philosophy is that a lot of these hotheaded idiots have gained a little wisdom in their later years, or at least have slowed down. Maybe there's less adrenaline pumping through their system. Does anybody know, are there any cases of recidivism among older criminals who have finished serving their sentence?
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Trying to get Slager supporter's to see common sense, is like trying to get a wife beater to take responsibility for his actions.
The wife beater will always say, "She was asking for it" or "She made me do it".
Neither of them, "get it".
Our society is at a cross-roads. We either advance toward a more civilized, non-racist society or we slide into a police state where rogue cops can do anything, to anyone, any time they feel like it.
The wife beater will always say, "She was asking for it" or "She made me do it".
Neither of them, "get it".
Our society is at a cross-roads. We either advance toward a more civilized, non-racist society or we slide into a police state where rogue cops can do anything, to anyone, any time they feel like it.
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Yeah , for sure let's hobble our law enforcement and fall into total anarchy....There's an attractive future.
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RPG seems to feel that we have only 2 choices: letting cops shoot people in the back OR total anarchy. RPG obviously prefers letting cops shoot anyone, at any time. There's an attractive future ! That MAY have worked in the old wild west, but we have hundreds of newer options. The days of shooting first and asking questions later is long passed. We MUST winnow out the Neanderthals and replace them with people who have some common sense and a feeling of humanity. Psychopathic cops are no longer acceptable.
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Apparently liberal traveler , and the other morons cannot deal with the honest fact that without strict law enforcement, we will return to the 'wild-west' . We are headed there already, just look at the number of folks carrying a sidearm now, compared to just a few years back.
And more applying for CCW every day.
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