Mutilating their own bodies

Dragonlady said:
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If society is so fragile a few tattoos will crumble it, there is BIG trouble anyway.

You find it offensive - don't look
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When pieces of concrete begin to fall out of a house foundation, it is time to take serious note. When the walls of the house begin to get "out of plumb", it is a strong indicator of a much more serious problem. Bit by bit this country is falling apart. Full facial tattoos is but one example, out of thousands of examples.

Once something is seen, it can not be unseen. So, not looking is not an option.


Will Durant, arguably the 20 century's pre-eminent historian, once wrote, " No great civilization is destroyed from without, until it has destroyed itself from within". We are doing exactly that.
 

Traveler said:

OH, MY GOD ! If i walked into a restuarant and saw that "thing" , I'd demand to see the owner and ask him if he was out of his freakin' mind.
I've seen some extremely bizarre things in my life, but that thing takes the cake for the most disgusting.
Can you even begin to imagine what is going on in her mind?
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Traveler said:
I suppose it all depends upon on how a person looks at life. I've always wanted to experience everything life has to offer and if that means taking some risks, then so be it. Having lived in S.E. Asia for 7 years, and in Mexico for 6 years, I don't worry about what MIGHT happen. The reward is that I have lived life to the fullest.
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....rather enigmatic, don'tcha think?
 
Traveler said:
When pieces of concrete begin to fall out of a house foundation, it is time to take serious note. When the walls of the house begin to get "out of plumb", it is a strong indicator of a much more serious problem. Bit by bit this country is falling apart. Full facial tattoos is but one example, out of thousands of examples.

Once something is seen, it can not be unseen. So, not looking is not an option.


Will Durant, arguably the 20 century's pre-eminent historian, once wrote, " No great civilization is destroyed from without, until it has destroyed itself from within". We are doing exactly that.
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alarmist nonsense - the self destruction lies elsewhere, but we are not allowed to mention it
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Gary O' said:
Help me out here, you may have mentioned it already, but I missed it...what's the point of this thread...or....is there no point?
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I have to disagree with you on this one Gary. It's interesting why people would cover themselves with permanent tattoos.
Has anyone ever watched any of the shows called "ink" or such as that? They're reality shows. I turned in one time flipping through channels. I would advise it if you would like to get a glimpse into that world.
My dad was a tattoo artist in the 30's, 40's as a side job. Very different back then. But it's been around a long time.
 
Traveler said:
... Will Durant, arguably the 20 century's pre-eminent historian, once wrote, " No great civilization is destroyed from without, until it has destroyed itself from within". We are doing exactly that.
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One might interpret that in this context as meaning that the aversion to facial tats and piercings is the "destruction from within" - from within our own minds.

Once that is accomplished, the rest of our world will be "destroyed" because of all the bad feelings it evokes in us.
 
hearlady said:
I have to disagree with you on this one Gary. It's interesting why people would cover themselves with permanent tattoos.
Has anyone ever watched any of the shows called "ink" or such as that? They're reality shows. I turned in one time flipping through channels. I would advise it if you would like to get a glimpse into that world.
My dad was a tattoo artist in the 30's, 40's as a side job. Very different back then. But it's been around a long time.
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No argument
Tattooing is interesting
I don’t have any
Seems moles, splotches, weird itchy spots in certain places of my being, and pubic hair taking residence around my ear lobe pretty much have things covered
Considering a connect the dots tat, however

No, I believe the OP’s intent was a bit deeper than ink
Even though the point remains in a grey, possibly blue area, undefined.
When challenged to be specific, the OP goes into snide gear
Claiming the questioner is beyond ability to understand
Typical pseudo intellectual stuff
There is, however, a common thread of insinuation, possibly leading the reader to agree or argue
The only definite is the subject is polar, fractional
Like the other two or three
Leads me to ask for the point
On a personal note, I’ve got some definite direction this morn from a winter storm blowing in.
Gotta tend things
Hope to pop back in this evening
If I still have a cabin
These lodge pole pine trees are a bit stunted at this elevation, and tend to snap in high winds

Oh, last night I started to get poetic and depictive on the subject

I’ll try to find it
 
SifuPhil said:
Which of course is just a quick double-clutch away from overbear gear ...

Good luck with the storm. Hope your wikiup survives.
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held at 80 mph last year

a friend down the path can fall a leaner on a dime
had him drop a couple large ones that were listing the wrong direction
reduces the angst a bit
(he's heavily tattooed, btw)

oh, here's a creation I played with last night
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and some verbiage
a bit poetic, but trite, to stay with the theme of this thread
(forgive me);

If
There were mostly facial adorned
Would there be a chef
A waiter
A patron
A restaurant?
Would only the bare faced be scorned?
Would the critic still have a beef
Even if corned?

(groaning recommended)
 
Gary O' said:
held at 80 mph last year

a friend down the path can fall a leaner on a dime
had him drop a couple large ones that were listing the wrong direction
reduces the angst a bit
(he's heavily tattooed, btw)

oh, here's a creation I played with last night
cTkYZJk.png



and some verbiage
a bit poetic, but trite, to stay with the theme of this thread
(forgive me);

If
There were mostly facial adorned
Would there be a chef
A waiter
A patron
A restaurant?
Would only the bare faced be scorned?
Would the critic still have a beef
Even if corned?

(groaning recommended)
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Love it!
 
Gary O' said:
held at 80 mph last year
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Whoa. :cower:

a friend down the path can fall a leaner on a dime
had him drop a couple large ones that were listing the wrong direction
reduces the angst a bit
(he's heavily tattooed, btw)
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Oh, if he's heavily tatooed then I wouldn't trust him.

oh, here's a creation I played with last night
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You're a sick man.

I like that in my friends.



and some verbiage
a bit poetic, but trite, to stay with the theme of this thread
(forgive me);

If
There were mostly facial adorned
Would there be a chef
A waiter
A patron
A restaurant?
Would only the bare faced be scorned?
Would the critic still have a beef
Even if corned?

(groaning recommended)
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*Groan* :playful:
 
Bit by bit, just like termites, they destroy. Bit by bit, we edge ever closer to anarchy. Bit by bit, the edifice of our civilization crumbles. Bit by bit, our culture, hated by a minority, disintegrates. Bit by bit, they eat away. Bit by bit, until all that remains is --- dust.
 
As the former founder/owner/operator of the first licensed tattoo (and body piercing) shop in the State of Texas, I can tell you that everyone has different reasons for getting tattoos and piercings. There is not a "typical" tattooed and/or pierced person. I tattooed Oscar winning people, billionaires, and "regular" folks. All had their own, unique ideas about their tattoos and piercings. I did not do facial tattoos, because I felt that those tattoos could, possibly, hurt a person's chances of finding meaningful employment. However, I knew folks with facial tattoos, and they all had different personalities from each other. If tattoos and/or piercings bother you, then you are free to look the other way and go about your business.
 
treeguy64 said:
As the former founder/owner/operator of the first licensed tattoo (and body piercing) shop in the State of Texas, I can tell you that everyone has different reasons for getting tattoos and piercings. There is not a "typical" tattooed and/or pierced person. I tattooed Oscar winning people, billionaires, and "regular" folks. All had their own, unique ideas about their tattoos and piercings. I did not do facial tattoos, because I felt that those tattoos could, possibly, hurt a person's chances of finding meaningful employment. However, I knew folks with facial tattoos, and they all had different personalities from each other. If tattoos and/or piercings bother you, then you are free to look the other way and go about your business.
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Oh, I do look away. But as I've said before, what has been seen, can not be unseen.

I don't want to be anywhere near them. If one of those "creatures", I can't call them human, gets on the bus, I get off. If one enters a place where I am eating, I exit. If one of my grandchildren were to ever do such a bizarre thing, I'd instantly sever all contact --- forever.
 
Traveler, obviously you have the right to whatever feelings you have. But other people also have the right to "decorate" their own bodies as they wish. You can call it a violation of "good taste" (whatever that means), but it is not a violation of your rights. How someone chooses to look is simply no one else's business.

For whatever it's worth, I also consider tattoos a primitive kind of self-mutilation, and I think those people covered in tattoos are hideous. But I have absolutely no right to do anything about it, other than look away.
 
treeguy64 said:
As the former founder/owner/operator of the first licensed tattoo (and body piercing) shop in the State of Texas, I can tell you that everyone has different reasons for getting tattoos and piercings. There is not a "typical" tattooed and/or pierced person. I tattooed Oscar winning people, billionaires, and "regular" folks. All had their own, unique ideas about their tattoos and piercings. I did not do facial tattoos, because I felt that those tattoos could, possibly, hurt a person's chances of finding meaningful employment. However, I knew folks with facial tattoos, and they all had different personalities from each other. If tattoos and/or piercings bother you, then you are free to look the other way and go about your business.
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When I did see a reality show about a tattoo shop (can't remember which one) I was struck how many got tattoos as a memorial to dead loved ones.


Gary, watch out for the storm!
 
Sunny said:
Traveler, obviously you have the right to whatever feelings you have. But other people also have the right to "decorate" their own bodies as they wish. You can call it a violation of "good taste" (whatever that means), but it is not a violation of your rights. How someone chooses to look is simply no one else's business.

For whatever it's worth, I also consider tattoos a primitive kind of self-mutilation, and I think those people covered in tattoos are hideous. But I have absolutely no right to do anything about it, other than look away.
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Sunny, you may very well be right. The only thing I can compare it to is an event that happened to me many years ago. I was walking down the street and up ahead I noticed a picketing group. I didn't pay any attention to them. Just as I was passing by, a woman rushed up to me carrying a large poster on a stick. She flashed the poster at me from just 3 feet away. The poster had a large color photograph of a late 3rd term, dead, bloody, infant that had been aborted via "partial birth abortion". To say that it was gory does not begin to describe the scene.

I immediately turned my head but, having seen it, I could not un-see it. My stomach turned and I thought I'd vomit. I suppose there are people who would say the woman had a right to do that to me. I, however view it as a violation of my emotions.

That is how I feel when confronted with a hideous full facial tattoo. I feel violated.
 
Traveler said:
Oh, I do look away. But as I've said before, what has been seen, can not be unseen.

I don't want to be anywhere near them. If one of those "creatures", I can't call them human, gets on the bus, I get off. If one enters a place where I am eating, I exit. If one of my grandchildren were to ever do such a bizarre thing, I'd instantly sever all contact --- forever.
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I actually feel sorry for you. Tattooed people are certainly creatures, being living members of H. sapiens. Guess what, you are a creature, too. It's a shame your tolerance level is so low, though. As for your grandchildren, if they're older than seventeen, the odds are that at least one of them already has tattoos and/or piercings, maybe several of both! Ooh - - -Shocking!
 
treeguy64 said:
I actually feel sorry for you. Tattooed people are certainly creatures, being living members of H. sapiens. Guess what, you are a creature, too. It's a shame your tolerance level is so low, though. As for your grandchildren, if they're older than seventeen, the odds are that at least one of them already has tattoos and/or piercings, maybe several of both! Ooh - - -Shocking!
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I sport a nose stud, and a hidden tattoo, as I have mentioned. Sometimes I even wear a small nose ring to work! No one cares, it goes well with the embroidered Indian outfits I also often wear.
 
Sunny, you may very well be right. The only thing I can compare it to is an event that happened to me many years ago. I was walking down the street and up ahead I noticed a picketing group. I didn't pay any attention to them. Just as I was passing by, a woman rushed up to me carrying a large poster on a stick. She flashed the poster at me from just 3 feet away. The poster had a large color photograph of a late 3rd term, dead, bloody, infant that had been aborted via "partial birth abortion". To say that it was gory does not begin to describe the scene.

I immediately turned my head but, having seen it, I could not un-see it. My stomach turned and I thought I'd vomit. I suppose there are people who would say the woman had a right to do that to me. I, however view it as a violation of my emotions.

That is how I feel when confronted with a hideous full facial tattoo. I feel violated.​
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I don't think the two things are even remotely comparable. The biggest difference is in their intentions. The woman shoving a poster of an aborted fetus at you, from 3 feet away, was trying to shock you and force her religious/political views on you. She was deliberately being cruel and provocative, in an attempt to get an emotional rise out of you.

The person wearing a tattoo that you (and I) find ugly is decorating his/her own body. They are not deliberately trying to make you nauseated, shocked, outraged, etc. If those are your reactions to seeing a tattoo, that is your own problem, not something they are doing to you. In all likelihood, they couldn't care less whether you see their tattoo, or whether you like it.

Do you see the difference. The anti-abortion lady is deliberately intruding into your space, trying to provoke you. The tattooed guy is decorating his own body, with no interest in you at all.
 
Sunny said:
I don't think the two things are even remotely comparable. The biggest difference is in their intentions. The woman shoving a poster of an aborted fetus at you, from 3 feet away, was trying to shock you and force her religious/political views on you. She was deliberately being cruel and provocative, in an attempt to get an emotional rise out of you.

The person wearing a tattoo that you (and I) find ugly is decorating his/her own body. They are not deliberately trying to make you nauseated, shocked, outraged, etc. If those are your reactions to seeing a tattoo, that is your own problem, not something they are doing to you. In all likelihood, they couldn't care less whether you see their tattoo, or whether you like it.

Do you see the difference. The anti-abortion lady is deliberately intruding into your space, trying to provoke you. The tattooed guy is decorating his own body, with no interest in you at all.
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Sunny, we may be taking about different things. You mention my seeing "a tattoo" that is very different from full facial tattoos. I honestly believe that anyone getting their entire face, head, neck tattooed IS try to provoke me. At the very least trying to shock or perhaps intimidate me. It is well established that gang members use full facial tattoos to intimidate and frighten people.

en-4549159f285d324be19ab2c38cb2a75d.jpg Lest people forget what I'm talking about. These guys are members of MS-13. Perhaps the most violent gang in all of North America. Using machettes to chop people up is common.
 
imagesCKH6H410.jpgSuppose I got a notion in my head to wear a Viking helmet ? I'd look pretty darn ridiculous. People would think there was something wrong with me. And they'd be right. There is something VERY, VERY WRONG with guys like the previous post # 198.
 
Traveler said:
View attachment 48585Suppose I got a notion in my head to wear a Viking helmet ? I'd look pretty darn ridiculous. People would think there was something wrong with me. And they'd be right. There is something VERY, VERY WRONG with guys like the previous post # 198.
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There is a big difference. You can remove the helmet. I'd just assume that you were being harmlessly silly if I saw you wearing it, but if I saw the two specimens in the previous post, I'd be ready for trouble. So would any cop who saw them.
 

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