Immigrant caravan

[ClassicRockr]

Consider this about [aliens] illegal or legal.

Some fill a need to some industries here in the states...@ a lower wage. Which lowers prices on the product? or raises profit?

Some settle in what ever area they do, and cause no problem...they just want a chance to live & prosper. Some look for & participate in every criminal activity can,...

We have a system in place to weed out the illegals ...and hopefully the criminal....Let's use it!

Those that prove to be illegal & or criminal should be sent back / blocked....

I wish the legals well!...........Why {WE} argue about this I'll never figure out??

I definitely agree with you about the illegals. Thing is, as far as "a chance to live and prosper"..........many of them send most of their money back to Mexico to their families there. They will pack many into an apartment, sleeping on the floor and couch.

I think today, the only way to "live and prosper" is to have a college degree or love a good paying manual work job, like roofing.

 

[Traveler]

Consider this about [aliens] illegal or legal.

Some fill a need to some industries here in the states...@ a lower wage. Which lowers prices on the product? or raises profit?

Some settle in what ever area they do, and cause no problem...they just want a chance to live & prosper. Some look for & participate in every criminal activity can,...

We have a system in place to weed out the illegals ...and hopefully the criminal....Let's use it!

Those that prove to be illegal & or criminal should be sent back / blocked....

I wish the legals well!...........Why {WE} argue about this I'll never figure out??

I agree. No problem with the legal immigrants, provided they stay legal. Part of the problem is when a legal immigrant goes rogue. Recently, here in San Diego, the police arrested an entire gang of legal immigrants for kidnapping and selling young girls into prostitution, commonly called "human trafficking".

It works like this. All along the Mexican side of the border, there are untold thousands looking for a way to get into the U.S. Mexican gangs, known as coyotes, know all the tricks of the trade and they smuggle immigrants into the U.S. (Some of our readers may recall a large truck full of illegal aliens who were abandoned in a Walmart parking lot, many died of heat exhaustion.) Sometimes those gangs kidnap young Mexican girls and sell them to other Mexican gangs here in the U.S. The girl is then repeatedly raped and beaten until she submits and becomes a full-time prostitute.

This is far more common than people realize and is only one of many problems associated with Mexican gangs, on BOTH sides of the border, working in a vast criminal organization.

 

[Keesha]

Perhaps I should use the word "nice" or "overly nice". Actually, no matter what problems America has, concerning people, the "good doer's" and/or "overly nice" ones seem to come to the rescue. A person commits a murder and the mother, father or other family member will say "basically he/she is a good person". Even the person friends can say this. I don't get it.........a "good" person is a killer???

There was an article online about a town on the border, next to the Rio Grande, where many folks are just this way. One lady told the reporter that she was standing on her porch and seen an illegal running from the wall he just got over. A Border Patrol Agent asked the women "which way did that guy go" and she told him the complete opposite direction than the kid was running.

Another lady let a 22 year old illegal hide under her front porch........why? Well, she told the reporter that the 22 year old look like her son did. After awhile, the kid got out from under the porch and started running again, but Border Patrol caught up with him. The lady told the reporter, "I just don't know why the Border Patrol arrested him". She was upset.

Apparently there are a number of "nice" folks in towns along the border that have this "let them in" mentality. They want to help these illegals escape and avoid being arrested.


As far as the folks in the caravan, just how many do we allow into the U.S............every single one of them???

I think people on this thread need to read online articles about illegals and what some have done (crime) in the U.S.. While at it, read online articles about Mexicans who legally come into the U.S. and stay, but never, ever become citizens.

So once again you are comparing being overly nice to being stupid.


I’m quite aware of the problems that can happen with immigrants crossing the boarder. Here in Canada , we have similar problems but just on a smaller scale.


While I don’t always watch the news, I am very up to date on Mexican Drug Cartels and the problems that arise from these groups of people.


Canada’s openness to free trade allows more opportunities for Mexican cartels to smuggle illegal substances such as fentanyl inside legitimate shipments, so why wouldn’t we be worried.


Just because people don’t live right beside the border , where this is taking place, doesn’t mean they don’t care or that it doesn’t affect them. It can and does affect Canada. Criminals that can’t get what they want from the U.S. often move further up to the next border which is ours.


Also, just because people don’t share the same viewpoint about this topic, doesn’t mean they hate’ Americans. How your government handles things , has a direct impact on our country as well as others.


What I find most amusing is that the very people getting criticized for being too compassionate or too nice , are also being criticized for being hateful individuals.
It’s either an oxymoronic ideal or simply grabbing at straws for the lack of anything better to say. :shrug:

And ClassicRockr. Try coming to my front door and I’ll show you just how kind and compassionate I really am. :xbone:

 

[ClassicRockr]

So once again you are comparing being overly nice to being stupid.


I’m quite aware of the problems that can happen with immigrants crossing the boarder. Here in Canada , we have similar problems but just on a smaller scale.


While I don’t always watch the news, I am very up to date on Mexican Drug Cartels and the problems that arise from these groups of people.


Canada’s openness to free trade allows more opportunities for Mexican cartels to smuggle illegal substances such as fentanyl inside legitimate shipments, so why wouldn’t we be worried.


Just because people don’t live right beside the border , where this is taking place, doesn’t mean they don’t care or that it doesn’t affect them. It can and does affect Canada. Criminals that can’t get what they want from the U.S. often move further up to the next border which is ours.


Also, just because people don’t share the same viewpoint about this topic, doesn’t mean they hate’ Americans. How your government handles things , has a direct impact on our country as well as others.


What I find most amusing is that the very people getting criticized for being too compassionate or too nice , are also being criticized for being hateful individuals.
It’s either an oxymoronic ideal or simply grabbing at straws for the lack of anything better to say. :shrug:

And ClassicRockr. Try coming to my front door and I’ll show you just how kind and compassionate I really am. :xbone:

Well, there are Seniors that would say that the Seniors that are overly compassionate and/or nice can make some pretty stupid mistakes. Even family members of a Senior will say that, when they find out what their Senior family member done.

As far as how kind and compassionate you are, you're the one who has "Fun Loving" under their Avatar, Right?

 

[Traveler]

People in the frozen north may THINK they know all about our problems, but I promise you that they don't have the vaguest clue about the real issues.

Seriously, they may know all about Polar bears and Eskimo's, but illegal aliens ? noooo waaay ! Come on, get real. How many illegal aliens does Canada have ? Two ?

 

[Keesha]

Well, there are Seniors that would say that the Seniors that are overly compassionate and/or nice can make some pretty stupid mistakes. Even family members of a Senior will say that, when they find out what their Senior family member done.

As far as how kind and compassionate you are, you're the one who has "Fun Loving" under their Avatar, Right?

I’ll agree with that . Truce! And I’m no longer fun loving.

People in the frozen north may THINK they know all about our problems, but I promise you that they don't have the vaguest clue about the real issues.

Seriously, they may know all about Polar bears and Eskimo's, but illegal aliens ? noooo waaay ! Come on, get real. How many illegal aliens does Canada have ? Two ?

I suspect using terms like ‘the frozen North, polar bears and Eskimos that you are referring to me. :shrug:

You are right. I don’t know all about your problems. In fact, I’m still trying to figure out what an illegal alien is.
Using the only terminology I know, we don’t have any illegal aliens here in Canada . As far as I know , no country on this planet has illegal aliens, but then again; I’m too busy running with polar bears to know.

I can live with that :yes: :lofl:

 

[Traveler]

Just making a point that foreigners don't truly know what our problems are. You may have heard a few news articles BUT there can be no possible substitute for living with the problem day in and day out.

I live with that problem every single day. I go to the market and I can't find anyone who speaks English. I have had a knife pulled on me by Mexicans. I have been robbed by Mexicans.

Do you honestly think that listening to a few news stories can give you the remotest idea of my world ?

I have a suggestion for anyone who wants to get a glimmer of what America is becoming, watch the film, starring James Edward Olmos, "American Me".

 

[Don M.]

Just making a point that foreigners don't truly know what our problems are. You may have heard a few news articles BUT there can be no possible substitute for living with the problem day in and day out.
I live with that problem every single day. I go to the market and I can't find anyone who speaks English. I have had a knife pulled on me by Mexicans. I have been robbed by Mexicans.
Do you honestly think that listening to a few news stories can give you the remotest idea of my world ?

More and more people are leaving California in recent years. Between ridiculous housing prices, the highest taxes in the nation, and an increasing crime rate, the Only demographic that is moving TO California are the Latinos. A person who presently owns a home there could profit nicely by selling out, and moving to a different State....the price of the home sale in California would set them up in a nicer house, and probably leave a fair amount of cash extra.

http://www.olda.org/ca-exodus-2018-5-reasons-people-moving-california/

 

[Traveler]

Don, that sure is the literal truth. I can't think of a single other Caucasian who lives in my neighborhood. Not one ! The only way I even SEE another Caucasian is to travel 20 miles. No joke. I'm serious.

 

[rgp]

I definitely agree with you about the illegals. Thing is, as far as "a chance to live and prosper"..........many of them send most of their money back to Mexico to their families there. They will pack many into an apartment, sleeping on the floor and couch.

I think today, the only way to "live and prosper" is to have a college degree or love a good paying manual work job, like roofing.

"I think today, the only way to "live and prosper" is to have a college degree or love a good paying manual work job, like roofing."

I must disagree there...I never had a college degree...nor do I do roofing. But I did have a tech job, that I luv'd , provided for me very well, and provided a very nice retirement.

As for this;....

"Thing is, as far as "a chance to live and prosper"..........many of them send most of their money back to Mexico to their families there. They will pack many into an apartment, sleeping on the floor and couch."

As long as they stay legal ?...what they do with their money, is their business.
Sleep on the floor,...sleep on the couch...obey the law, pay your taxes & I'm fine with the rest.

I'm told...that many of the European immigrant families from back when "my people" immigrated here did much the same....to save money.

 

[Traveler]

I think the point ClassicRocker was making is that when there are tens of millions of Mexicans sending money out of the country the other country gets richer and America gets poorer. Simple economics. It is always better to keep the money within the "family". In this case the family is America.

 

[BobF]

Right now our ideas of having immigrants is very primitive and asking for major problems. Look to the countries like Sweden, Norway, and Denmark as examples of how these immigrants will violate the national laws.

In believe that all, and others in that part of the world have had to cut down on what they allow to immigrate and tightened up their old laws to end the immigration with those the government has already preapproved before they can arrive.

In the past a man and family would be accepted. They continued to speak their national language and asked for parents and cousins to come live with them. They pretty much took over large areas and restarted their own ways and drove off the natives.

Recently their laws were changed and only a person pre approved could arrive. No family could come and for 2 years their was no special ways of living. They needed to have jobs. They had to learn the local language. Eventually they could invite a wife and children and if approved they were allowed to arrive.

Their new rules in Denmark are much stricter, less forgiving, less for handouts and medical.

I hope the US will take that idea and change our set up too. We don't want just hangers on as we really do want and need workers of all sorts.

 

[Butterfly]

Speaking of Welfare. It makes no sense to me that the growing number of homeless Americans don't qualify for Welfare Benefits because you have to have an address (and a low-paying job?) in order to qualify. But that's not a requirement for illegal immigrants if they request asylum. Homelessness has reached epic proportions in Southern CA. And don't even get me started with the amount of homeless Veterans sleeping on the streets. Shouldn't we be taking care of American citizens first? And repair our mental health programs first that is often the root of the problems?

I saw a cartoon (I don't think it's anything to laugh about but it's probably true) that said, " If you took their welfare checks away from them, they'd deport themselves." Most don't want to be Americans. They want to make money in the US while enjoying benefits and then send their money back home (Mexico) to their large families. Not all but most.

Federal law says that illegal immigrants may not receive FEDERAL benefits. A state can pass a law to pay them state benefits, but illegal immigrants are barred from receiving federal "welfare" benefits, regardless of what so may people say or believe to the contrary.

Asylum applicants are barred from receiving federal benefits during the duration of the time they are waiting for a decision on whether or not their claim of asylum is granted. This is supposed to be within about 6 months, but usually takes longer than that. They are also not allowed to work legally during that time.

 

[Traveler]

Actually, I think it may already be too late. Way too much liberalism has resulted in the horrible mess we now face. it is one thing to have compassion for those less fortunate than ourselves, BUT it is another thing entirely to do so at the expense of the nation. A little compassion is a good thing but not when it deprives our own family of needed resources.

America is like the Titanic which has already struck the iceberg. We are sinking. The only question now is how do we buy time in order to save the most number of lives possible. Those who are pro unlimited immigration are, in essence saying, "Hey, my feet aren't wet yet. What's the big problem".

 

[Butterfly]

Not really! It's much more about all the illegals that want to come into America, stay, but not become Americans. It's also about the crime and drugs. Not saying that all of them have something to do with the drug cartel or crime, but...........
It's about the businesses that hire illegals.

There is NO PATHWAY for people who are in the United States to apply for citizenship -- the the reason they do "not become Americans" is because they CANNOT do so if they entered the country illegally.

 

[Traveler]

Federal law says that illegal immigrants may not receive FEDERAL benefits. A state can pass a law to pay them state benefits, but illegal immigrants are barred from receiving federal "welfare" benefits, regardless of what so may people say or believe to the contrary.

Asylum applicants are barred from receiving federal benefits during the duration of the time they are waiting for a decision on whether or not their claim of asylum is granted. This is supposed to be within about 6 months, but usually takes longer than that. They are also not allowed to work legally during that time.

I don't suppose it ever occurred that people sometimes lie. California law specifically prohibits state employees from asking about citizenship (courtesy of Gov. Jerry Brown). Thus, it is the simplest thing in the world to go to any county welfare office (in CA.) and get food stamp and a housing allowance. All that is needed is a valid driver's license (illegals are allowed to have CA driver's license's) and a piece of mail, with a valid address and , PRESTO BOOMO, instant free stuff.

 

[Butterfly]

I don't suppose it ever occurred that people sometimes lie. California law specifically prohibits state employees from asking about citizenship (courtesy of Gov. Jerry Brown). Thus, it is the simplest thing in the world to go to any county welfare office (in CA.) and get food stamp and a housing allowance. All that is needed is a valid driver's license (illegals are allowed to have CA driver's license's) and a piece of mail. with a valid address and , PRESTO BOOMO, free stuff.

Sorry butterfly, your ideas don't work.

I did not state my ideas, I stated the law. If you don't like the law or the way it works, change it -- California is one of the states that has state benefits for illegal immigrants.

BTW, qualifying for FEDERAL benefits takes more than a driver's license.

 

[Traveler]

I did not state my ideas, I stated the law. If you don't like the law or the way it works, change it -- California is one of the states that has state benefits for illegal immigrants.

BTW, qualifying for FEDERAL benefits takes more than a driver's license.

Food stamps ARE federal benefits. I think you better check the laws again. food stamps (EBT) are administered by the United States Dept of Agriculture .

 

[Shalimar]

People in the frozen north may THINK they know all about our problems, but I promise you that they don't have the vaguest clue about the real issues.

Seriously, they may know all about Polar bears and Eskimo's, but illegal aliens ? noooo waaay ! Come on, get real. How many illegal aliens does Canada have ? Two ?

You are misinformed. We have thousands of miles of border, many peeps get through. Also, where I live, it is a Maritime Temperate Zone, hardly frozen. Neither Inuit nor polar bear country. I suspect many Canucks know far more about American issues than many of our American brethren know about Canadian ones, at least according to Sifuphil. I would never refer to America in the manner of the anti Canadian rhetoric you have posted here.

 

[Keesha]

You are misinformed. We have thousands of miles of unmanned borders, peeps get through. Also, where I live, it is a Maritime Temperate zone, hardly frozen. Neither Inuit nor polar bear country. I suspect many canucks know far more about American issues than our American brethren know about Canadian ones, at least according to Sifuphil.

And not that this is at all a complaint but the town I use to live in as a child is no longer anything like it used to be.
If I were to go back there today I would most certainly be a minority and I am not exaggerating. It’s like being in a completely different country.

I now understand what it’s like to be a minority which is probably a good thing because I couldn’t relate before.
Polarbear country..... lol

 

[Traveler]

As someone said up thread , "You run your railroad, we will run ours". I'm not too keen on foreigners telling us how to run our country.

 

[Keesha]

Who are the foreigners telling him how to run ‘their’ country?
I don’t see any such posts anywhere. :shrug:


Lies!

 

[Traveler]

Polarbear country..... lol

Perhaps I'm mistaken. Polar Bears are not in Canada. it must be Hawaii I'm thinking of. :winter1:

 

[Keesha]

What do polar bears have to do with running your country?
YOU are the one who mentioned polar bears! ( as ridiculous as that is )

 

[RadishRose]