This Shooting Thing is TOO Much

Yes, QuickSilver, this reply did talk about law enforcement!

john1948 said:
I think we need to clean up the local Police Dept. first, seems like they want to shoot anyone, at any time now, they need to be held to the same standard as any American. I just can't understand why people are putting up with this.
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When performed by the government, mass killings are not only planned, authorized and encouraged but also legally proscribed.

They call them "wars".

Just don't do it as a private citizen.
 
2nd amendment isn't about hunting, target shooting or gun collecting. there is no unalienable right to have a car ----- your analogy is unacceptable

government sanctioned shooting=assassinate

your chances are greater of being hit by lightening are greater than being the victim of a mass shooting

magazine capacities do not affect crime rates, the last ones the Clinton's passed sunset in 2009 --- because they were ineffective.
several states currently have mag limits, Colo, Conn. NY --- the sheriffs in those states have state they will not enforce the law, no way to tell when they were made etc.

and again, there is no such thing as a straw purchase, the person buying the gun is committing a felony when they lie on the 4733 form. Its the first question on the form in big letters. there is no need for a Straw purchase anti gun freak interpretation of a law that is already on the books, but just like criminals to lie --- those darn guys
 

SifuPhil said:
When performed by the government, mass killings are not only planned, authorized and encouraged but also legally proscribed.

They call them "wars".

Just don't do it as a private citizen.
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You don't think there is a differnce between the regulated military and civilian gun violence? Are you personally a member of a "well regulated militia"? Do you attend training camps? And when did "well regulated militia" get twisted to mean "well armed unregulated populace"?
 
That is your twisted interpretation of the 2nd. amendment. I have cited the Supreme courts rulings several times on this forum, as to their position on self defense and firearms. The court has not ruled on the militia definition because it is a non-issue. Your socialist interpretation is un-acceptable.
 
rt3 said:
government sanctioned shooting=assassinate
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So Booth, Guiteau, Czolgosz, Oswald ... they all had government sanction?

QuickSilver said:
You don't think there is a differnce between the regulated military and civilian gun violence?
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No - killing is killing. Death is death.

Are you personally a member of a "well regulated militia"? Do you attend training camps?
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I f I were, I wouldn't say.

And when did "well regulated militia" get twisted to mean "well armed unregulated populace"?
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Because while those "militias" are being sent far overseas to take care of other people's problems, we're left here naked and vulnerable to the beast within.
 
And what does it help the person being shot that the car is registered when in most of the drive-by shootings no one can give the license plate and most of the time won't if they know. Why? because they know the criminals have guns. Look at Illinoise no gun law and yet see these statistics http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/ilcrime.htm. Also here is the Illinois no gun law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois. I admit it is far from perfect. Cannot understand why they let people from out of state not have to abide by the same rules while in their state. But the point being I don't think it helped. Here is another interesting census. Look at Illinois rate for Murder in 1912 and compare it's ranking in the US.
 
Just plain me said:
And what does it help the person being shot that the car is registered when in most of the drive-by shootings no one can give the license plate and most of the time won't if they know. Why? because they know the criminals have guns. Look at Illinoise no gun law and yet see these statistics http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/ilcrime.htm. Also here is the Illinois no gun law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois. I admit it is far from perfect. Cannot understand why they let people from out of state not have to abide by the same rules while in their state. But the point being I don't think it helped. Here is another interesting census. Look at Illinois rate for Murder in 1912 and compare it's ranking in the US.
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What I am saying is that guns should be regulated exactly the way cars are regulated.. No one is coming for your car.. are they? BUT you are licensed.. You are insured and you are in a State data base, and that information is shared nationally. You are the one that asked if we should call cars a weapon.. and so I told you... YES.. and here is how we regulate cars.
 
Nations states have always had their own assignation squads, (not against it) Moussed, Seals, KGB, etc. It doesn't make it different only sanctioned, the difference in the one you gave those weren't sanctioned. sorry if that wasn't plain.

Your rights to drive a car are not unalienable.

Some uninformed in this forum would have you believe that gun confiscation in the US does not occur. California currently has a separate department in most Sheriffs office, whose only job is nothing but confiscation of firearms. I think New York does also, all from those State data bases.
targeted people
returning vets who show tramatic stress disorder
any domestic restraining order
outstanding warrants.

direct violation of due process and confiscation without reimbursement. -- but they broke the law--- and shouldn't have guns, maybe, but that's what due process is about.

because more deaths occur due to prescription drugs, we should regulate, register the owners, but wait they are registered. gee doesn't seem to work, those darn people
 
The fact that cars are properly registered doesn't keep them from being stolen and misused. I can testify to this from personal knowledge -- from the time my car was stolen in Washington, DC from one of those valet parking lots and the time someone attempted to steal another car of mine but were thwarted by my dogs raising cain -- the potential thieves DID manage to seriously damage the steering column as they tried to get the car started. In both instances the cars were properly registered, licensed, tagged and insured.

The problerm isn't the car or the firearm, it is the idiot/criminal using them.

"People aren't coming for your car" -- try leaving one unlocked and see what happens.
 
Well, this thread is from 2014. Not much has changed since then except the response time in Annapolis was very quick and saved more lives. At least that's one thing.
 
Butterfly said:
Surely you do not really believe that the NRA (no matter what you think of them) applauds the shooting of children by other children, or the actions of other spree killers!

What are some real examples of the NRA's "loving it" as it pertains to this kind of behavior??
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They are against any laws that might mitigate the carnage taking place. Their motto is that the second amendment should not be infringed.

Well to infringe means you can't even put your foot one inch on my property.

That's the only argument I have against them.
 
Butterfly said:
The fact that cars are properly registered doesn't keep them from being stolen and misused. I can testify to this from personal knowledge -- from the time my car was stolen in Washington, DC from one of those valet parking lots and the time someone attempted to steal another car of mine but were thwarted by my dogs raising cain -- the potential thieves DID manage to seriously damage the steering column as they tried to get the car started. In both instances the cars were properly registered, licensed, tagged and insured.

The problerm isn't the car or the firearm, it is the idiot/criminal using them.

"People aren't coming for your car" -- try leaving one unlocked and see what happens.
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That doesn't eliminate the registration or the issuance of licenses or laws that dictate the rules of driving like speeding laws and parking laws or whatever and without them there would be chaos. Everyone for himself. How many idiots have you seen driving that think they are in the Indianapolis 500?
 
john1948 said:
I think we need to clean up the local Police Dept. first, seems like they want to shoot anyone, at any time now, they need to be held to the same standard as any American. I just can't understand why people are putting up with this.
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One question.......just exactly how long should they [police] wait , in which to decide if this person they encounter in the dark, running from them, is a good guy or a bad guy? And how long should they wait to decide if this person just reached for his phone.....or a gun?

OK, that's two questions <grin>

When you arrive at a time...please let the police know, because at this time they are working from experience & instinct.........Have they been doing it wrong all this time?

Basically all one needs to do to avoid an encounter with the police is simply ..behave.
 
was the lady 'misbehaving' who called out the police about fighting in her apartment block and was shot dead on greeting them??
 
gumbud said:
was the lady 'misbehaving' who called out the police about fighting in her apartment block and was shot dead on greeting them??
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No, never said she was . Any situation can go bad in a heartbeat , and sometimes mistakes are made. But....that is not / was not the normal police / thug encounter. And the details were never clearly explained....IMO . Not making excuses for possible bad police work...but I'd like to know more about it.
 
gumbud said:
surely looking at the gun laws and uses in other countries might be a sane way to go?? - or is it all too late?
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Not sure of your point?....But IMO law has little or nothing to do with it. Criminals ignore the law. So how could they [laws] be changed , to make a difference?

Perhaps make gun offences more serious in terms of punishment? A gun involved crime , an automatic death sentence if found guilty? Punishment to be carried out six? months after conviction.

The guy that shot the congresswoman out in Arizona for example.

A trial is for the preponderance of evidence , to determine innocence or guilt.

He......just shot & killed a seven year old girl, and gravely wounded the congresswoman. He was literally standing there , smoking gun still in hand!
He needed NO trial......He was guilty.

As far as I am concerned...he should have been executed that very night! And let it be known. Then maybe the next guy with such thoughts might just re-think things.
 
Shalimar said:
I get the anger and frustration, but vigilante behaviour scares me more than criminals. One step from anarchy.
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Well, I obviously & respectfully disagree. Anger, frustration?..yeah I suppose, but most of it is aimed at my fellow citizens & the authorities now in place.
Our continuing soft position on crime does not & never will serve as a deterrent to crime.

And IMO it would not be vigilante if carried out by the authorities put in place.... basically by our vote.
 
If y'all took the time to read the NRA magazine, they publish every month short articles about people who defended themselves and others from criminals. You will never see this in the mainstream media because it doesn't fit their agenda.
 
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