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[Denise1952]

another thing is if they were drinking, who of us handles things properly when we are under the influence. I know I used to think I was super-woman, oh yeah, and beautiful too, LOL! Hey, come to think of it, all the guys looked better to me too yeah well, it didn't last, there was always the cruel, sunlight of morning revealing the ugly truth

 

[Gael]

I think it makes me look rather cute! :bowknot:

You're still maintaining that a violation of some perceived "right" is sufficient cause to engage in a physical confrontation.

If I carried that maxim to the extreme I could kick an old lady into the street because her dog pooped on my lawn.

A fight, especially a large-scale riot spread over several days, is not fighting for a cause - it's engaging in civil disorder and anarchy. If you want to be civilized and respected about getting your rights fight with lawyers and judges, not sticks and bricks. Living in Ireland you should know all about this - I shouldn't have to preach to you.

Fighting is a failure to negotiate by peaceful means - it's a failure to be a civil human being. By holding that riot those particular people permanently lost my good-will and indulgences.

From what I can see, they were being discriminated and had not the legal rights any human being deserves.

People do get fed up and sometimes anger takes over. And yes, living here has shown what can occur when a government refuses to respond to peoples rights and they allow persecutions to continue.

As a fellow American you know what we had to do to gain our independance. We most certainly had to resort to battle.

"I think it makes me look rather cute!"

You're better when using logic then resorting to childish sarcastic remarks aimed at discrediting those whose opinions differ from yours. "I know it's difficult to spar with someone 5 classes above you ...

"

It's far from cute.

 

[SifuPhil]

From what I can see, they were being discriminated and had not the legal rights any human being deserves.

And did they really think that by throwing bricks they were going to have their rights acknowledged any faster?

It was like most riots - it was simply an excuse to act like idiots.

As a fellow American you know what we had to do to gain our independance. We most certainly had to resort to battle.

That was a long time ago, in a totally different world. No reason for it in 1969.

"I think it makes me look rather cute!"

You're better when using logic then resorting to childish sarcastic remarks aimed at discrediting those whose opinions differ from yours. "I know it's difficult to spar with someone 5 classes above you ... layful:"

It's far from cute.

But you know what?

It's true.

It IS difficult to spar with someone 5 classes above you. I know. I've done it.

It's how you learn.

No disrespect intended, but if we were enemies I'd have already spotted your weakness and would attack through it. Speaking of riots and blending in the related topic of defending oneself, our goal should be to minimize our weaknesses and maximize our strengths.

I've taught this philosophy to my students for many years, and I'm sorry if you don't want the lesson - it's here if you want it.

 

[Gael]

And did they really think that by throwing bricks they were going to have their rights acknowledged any faster?

It was like most riots - it was simply an excuse to act like idiots.

I disagree with your reasoning Phil and your examples to justify it. We don't see eye to eye on this topic and probably never will.

But you do tend to like to debate ad nauseum so I've explained my position and so do you and I'll leave it as I don't like to debate for the sake of debating.

And hope you also learned a lesson about the use of sarcasm not being the way to go in any debate.



That was a long time ago, in a totally different world. No reason for it in 1969.



But you know what?

It's true.

It IS difficult to spar with someone 5 classes above you. I know. I've done it.

It's how you learn.

No disrespect intended, but if we were enemies I'd have already spotted your weakness and would attack through it. Speaking of riots and blending in the related topic of defending oneself, our goal should be to minimize our weaknesses and maximize our strengths.

I've taught this philosophy to my students for many years, and I'm sorry if you don't want the lesson - it's here if you want it.

I disagree with your reasoning Phil and your examples to justify it. We don't see eye to eye on this topic and probably never will.

But you do tend to like to debate ad nauseum so I've explained my position and so do you and I'll leave it as I don't like to debate for the sake of debating.

And hope you also learned a lesson about the use of sarcasm not being the way to go in any debate.

 

[SifuPhil]

I disagree with your reasoning Phil and your examples to justify it. We don't see eye to eye on this topic and probably never will.

But you do tend to like to debate ad nauseum so I've explained my position and so do you and I'll leave it as I don't like to debate for the sake of debating.

And hope you also learned a lesson about the use of sarcasm not being the way to go in any debate.

I wasn't aware that this was a debate ...