Canada Legalizes Marijuana

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Just like some other subjects, very, very controversial. But, whether against it or for it, mj is "coming to a store near you" for-to-say and absolutely nothing can be done about it.
 

Keesha said:
You are sooo wrong but I’m out shopping right now so will post later.
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In the states only certain states that legalized it made it legal. If you didn't like it you could move to a state that didn't legalize it.

In Canada it's Federal. Nowhere to move to. I can't stand smoking and I cant stand cannabis. It stinks. And the word itself sounds like a can of urine.
 

Camper6 said:
I'm Canadian. I'm dead against it.

if you knew how much trouble and lives being destroyed by alcohol and drugs you don't need one more problem in the mix.

There is no test for driving impaired with cannabis.

Also so it's like gambling. I never gambled until it was legal. Now I'm hooked.

in spite of all the laws young people under age will use it.

Enforcement will be a nightmare and suck more of our police resources.

The police chiefs were against it.

Im not happy with dumbing down Canada. We used to be a proud nation looked up to. Unlike the states this is Federal and all the provinces are affected and have to go along with it.

We have a reserve problem in Canada with poverty and poor living conditions. This won't help.
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There ARE laws against smoking cigarettes in cars. You are not allowed to smoke anything in a car with children in it and the fines are HUGE.


We DO know how much trouble alcohol has been which is why it’s great that they’ve legalized cannabis. Alcohol kills people. There have been NO recorded deaths due to marijuana EVER!


With marijuana legal hopefully there will be more people switching over to marijuana. There would be less violence and deaths.


In spite of the laws, young people under age will use it?


And you think they weren’t going to use it before?
Most kids throughout their lives will try marijuana at one point in their life regardless of the laws. That’s part of growing up.


The biggest difference is that kids don’t have to purchase it from that sleazy drug dealer down the road who cuts his stuff with fentanyol ( to try and hook kids to something stronger) or crushed glass. ( for added weight) . Or cannabis that has gone mouldy which is incredibly dangerous.


With it being legal, cannabis will be regulated. It will grown in a controlled atmosphere , specified THC levels, CBD levels, mould free, stored and labelled properly.
It won’t completely stop kids from getting bad cannabis but there chances of getting clean stuff is greater.

Did you know that here in Ontario , not far from where I live is the worlds most sophisticated marijuana plantation. It has the highest standards of production available today.

It will discourage kids from purchasing artificial marijuana which HAS caused MANY deaths.


Enforcement will be a nightmare and suck more of our police resources?


This is completely opposite. Now police can spend more time going after serial killers instead of busting the teenager in the backseat of a car.


The police chefs are against it.
Oh well. Life’s tough. :shrug:


We are dumbing down Canada?
I’m not even going to dignify that with an answer.


We have a reserve problem in Canada.
Do you know how in debt Canada is?
1.8 trillion dollars!!!


Legalizing marijuana and making it a controlled substance is bringing in so much revenue for our country.
Legalizing cannabis brings in a revenue of
$22.6 billion a year.
 
Camper6 said:
In the states only certain states that legalized it made it legal. If you didn't like it you could move to a state that didn't legalize it.

In Canada it's Federal. Nowhere to move to. I can't stand smoking and I cant stand cannabis. It stinks. And the word itself sounds like a can of urine.
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Really Camper. If you go to casinos gambling then how do you avoid alcohol and smoking?
If you hate it THAT much isn’t that a tad bit insane?


I dont drink at all and don’t smoke either. The last place I would go to are casinos which is why I’ve never been to one in my entire life.
 
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Trade said:
The war on drugs has been a huge colossal failure.

You would think we learned something from the prohibition era of 1919-1933.

Making something illegal just guarantees that criminals will be able to make big bucks supplying it.

I'll bet the most vehement opposition to legalization of any drugs are the big drug cartels. They stand to lose billions.
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Exactly right. The war on drugs was hugely sponsored by illegal cartels.
Think about it.
 
Sunny said:
Camper, your point isn't going over anyone's head here. It is faulty logic.
If marijuana is illegal in Canada, according to you, no one will use it, correct? There will be no impaired drivers, etc. Everyone will be squeaky clean.
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No that is faulty logic. In fact extreme faulty logic. It's being used now illegally . Making it legal will make it worse not better.

We all know how well that works.
Smoking pot (or anything else) is a bad idea, as far as I know. But some people are going to smoke it regardless. Drinking alcohol causes endless tragedies in personal lives, yet some people (probably most people) drink it. When they tried to enact prohibition in the U.S., it was a complete disaster. People who wanted to drink didn't stop drinking, they just visited the speakeasies.
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So if enough people break the law, then make it legal and they will stop breaking the law? Why not do it with murder. Legalize it. Suddenly it's fine.

Isn't it better to have the pot smoking legal and out in the open, where at least the quality is under government control, than to have a black market, with criminals running the empire?

Not it's not better to have the government approve it and run it under government control. The government has been known to be dishonest in it's undertakings.

If it's illegal enforce the laws don't legalize it. That's stupid logic. The black market will still be there and undercutting government prices because they don't have to charge taxes on the underground prices. Just watch and remember. I told you about it here. And now you will have to have more police survelliance and enforcement to make sure the government doesn't get screwed out of their share.

The amount of revenue coming from marijuana sales that the government gets will not offset the budget for enforcement.
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Camper, it's really funny how you are accusing everyone else of "missing the point!" Very clearly, that's what you are doing.

Do you really want to discuss this very legitimate issue, or are you just trying to provoke a fight? Sounds to me more like the latter. (And here I thought all you Canadians were so nice!) :distrust:
 
The one point that I ponder on legalization is what will happen to all of the people who made a living from illegal marijuana.

Will they all go on to become burglars, sell other more addictive illegal drugs, retire to Arizona, etc...

I can't believe that they will all just disappear in a now legal puff of smoke.
 
There will always be a black market no matter what becomes legal or illegal.
People that grew that didnt end up with a criminal record could apply as an employee at a commercialized plant and become a productive part of society. There are opportunities for people to change their lives for the better.

What about the people who have a criminal record just for possession?
Its a natural plant that at one time all humanity could use. Are they to be discredited their entire lives for using by being labelled a criminal.? To me, it’s outrageous.
 
Keesha said:
There will always be a black market no matter what becomes legal or illegal.
People that grew that didnt end up with a criminal record could apply as an employee at a commercialized plant and become a productive part of society. There are opportunities for people to change their lives for the better.

What about the people who have a criminal record just for possession?
Its a natural plant that at one time all humanity could use. Are they to be discredited their entire lives for using by being labelled a criminal.? To me, it’s outrageous.
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If you were an employer would you try to hire an abstained or one who participates?

If if you broke the law you have to live with it no matter how much you disagree with the law or how outraged you might be.
 
Aunt Bea said:
The one point that I ponder on legalization is what will happen to all of the people who made a living from illegal marijuana.

Will they all go on to become burglars, sell other more addictive illegal drugs, retire to Arizona, etc...

I can't believe that they will all just disappear in a now legal puff of smoke.
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They will continue to do what they are doing now. Anything to make money instead of hard work. They will be undercutting the legal merchants prices who have to collect taxes on the sales.

If 18 is the legal age they will sell to the underage who can't get it legally. Once you are hooked you are an easy target.
 
Sunny said:
Camper, it's really funny how you are accusing everyone else of "missing the point!" Very clearly, that's what you are doing.

Do you really want to discuss this very legitimate issue, or are you just trying to provoke a fight? Sounds to me more like the latter. (And here I thought all you Canadians were so nice!) :distrust:
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I have already told you from my first post that I am against it. I have been polite and did not make any personal comments and stuck to the topic.
 
Keesha said:
Really Camper. If you go to casinos gambling then how do you avoid alcohol and smoking?
If you hate it THAT much isn’t that a tad bit insane?


I dont drink at all and don’t smoke either. The last place I would go to are casinos which is why I’ve never been to one in my entire life.
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They don't allow smoking in the casino I go to. They do serve alcohol. The price of a beer is three times what you would be able to buy it for at a liquor store or grocery store.

They have darn good food and they give discounts on it. So your claim of insanity doesn't ring a bell.

My advice. Don't go to a casino. You might get addicted to gambling.
 
Camper6 said:
Eloquent yes. But truthful? Making for a country that will better live in peace and harmony? I'm afraid we don't have any scientific proof of that.
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I see the positive effects on some of my most severely PTSD affected veteran clients. Before taking marijuana, many were overprescribed toxic cocktails of pharmaceuticals prescribed by doctors who did not understand how to treat their trauma. They could barely function, if at all. Now, most of them require only a small quantity of such pills, if any. This definitely brings a greater sense of peace and harmony to both these vets, and those whose lives they touch.
 
Keesha said:
There ARE laws against smoking cigarettes in cars. You are not allowed to smoke anything in a car with children in it and the fines are HUGE.


We DO know how much trouble alcohol has been which is why it’s great that they’ve legalized cannabis. Alcohol kills people. There have been NO recorded deaths due to marijuana EVER!
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I doubt that is accurate. The long term effects on the lungs is the same as smoking.


With marijuana legal hopefully there will be more people switching over to marijuana. There would be less violence and deaths.
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They will do both. They are doing both now. I doubt there wiill be less violence and deaths. States that have legalized marijuana haven't seen a decrease in crime.


In spite of the laws, young people under age will use it?

And you think they weren’t going to use it before?
Most kids throughout their lives will try marijuana at one point in their life regardless of the laws. That’s part of growing up.
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Yes we know that. But making it legal makes it easier to get.


The biggest difference is that kids don’t have to purchase it from that sleazy drug dealer down the road who cuts his stuff with fentanyol ( to try and hook kids to something stronger) or crushed glass. ( for added weight) . Or cannabis that has gone mouldy which is incredibly dangerous.
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Legallizing marijuana is not going to stop that for underage children.


With it being legal, cannabis will be regulated. It will grown in a controlled atmosphere , specified THC levels, CBD levels, mould free, stored and labelled properly.
It won’t completely stop kids from getting bad cannabis but there chances of getting clean stuff is greater.
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The dealers will be selling stuff with higher THC levels. More bang for the buck.

Did you know that here in Ontario , not far from where I live is the worlds most sophisticated marijuana plantation. It has the highest standards of production available today.
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I'm not interested. Sucking stuff into your lungs and impairing your brain is harmful regardless of your high standards. The only thing that works is not smoking it in the first place.

It will discourage kids from purchasing artificial marijuana which HAS caused MANY deaths.
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Wait. I thought someone here posted that there is not one recorded death due to marijuana.


Enforcement will be a nightmare and suck more of our police resources?


This is completely opposite. Now police can spend more time going after serial killers instead of busting the teenager in the backseat of a car.
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Not according to the police. That's your opinion. They will still have to enforce the law.

The police chefs are against it.
Oh well. Life’s tough. :shrug:
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That's not a logical reply. They are against it for a reason.


We are dumbing down Canada?
I’m not even going to dignify that with an answer.
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There are studies that support my contention.
In today's mail from the government announcing the Cannabis Act. Here's what you need to know.

Know the health effects. Like alcohol and tobacco, cannabis has risks, especially for youth and young adults.
www.Canada.ca/Cannabis




We have a reserve problem in Canada.
Do you know how in debt Canada is?
1.8 trillion dollars!!!
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And your point is exactly what?


Legalizing marijuana and making it a controlled substance is bringing in so much revenue for our country.
Legalizing cannabis brings in a revenue of
$22.6 billion a year.
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It hasn't been put into effect yet so how do you know that? If you think cannabis is going to save Canada from debt you are whistling in the dark.

I'm starting to wonder now on this thread who are the users now.

The ladies doth protest too much.
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Shalimar said:
I see the positive effects on some of my most severely PTSD affected veteran clients. Before taking marijuana, many were overprescribed toxic cocktails of pharmaceuticals prescribed by doctors who did not understand how to treat their trauma. They could barely function, if at all. Now, most of them require only a small quantity of such pills, if any. This definitely brings a greater sense of peace and harmony to both these vets, and those whose lives they touch.
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Well medical marijuana was legal if prescribed by a doctor so I don't know what your point is.

However I also know that it hasn't made any difference in some people at all.
 

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