Life after death.... myth or fact

grahamg said:
Now as a bit of a "caveman" myself (or "den" man really, someone who used to build shelters in hidden places to hide away in), I may have the inside track on whatever a caveman might have thought.

It would be hard to argue, from the archaeological record alone, that cavemen and cavewomen were not interested in the afterlife. I doubt they dragged those massive trilithons miles and miles across Salisbury plain without a huge desire to connect themselves with something they believed in, and an incredible level of control and inspiration driving them all on.
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How absurd to compare yourself with a caveman, sitting there typing away on your computer. :rolleyes: I'd imagine that cavemen were more concerned with day-to-day survival and gave little thought to the hearafter.
 

C'est Moi said:
How absurd to compare yourself with a caveman, sitting there typing away on your computer. :rolleyes: I'd imagine that cavemen were more concerned with day-to-day survival and gave little thought to the hearafter.
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You obviously don't know me very well .

However, as you say archaelogists still struggle to agree what ancient people may have thought.


What would you say those "cavemen" or at least ancient people from pre-history dragged those massive stones so far in order to achieve by the way?
 

Sunny said:
That's probably true. But then, how can anybody "prove" that something doesn't exist? Let's say I am sure there is a six-headed purple people eater roaming around somewhere in the Himalayas. Can anyone prove that
it doesn't exist? The burden of proof is on the person who says it does.

Chic, lovely picture. Is it Monet?
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I said I cannot prove it --it is my belief -- one does not have to prove a "belief." It is my belief, and I do not have to defend it. I haven't read anywhere that we are required to believe only things that are demonstrably true. I do not think that it can be demonstrably proved that God does not exist, either --it's a belief, and we all have a right to believe what we personally believe, whether others agree or not. I do not feel called upon to question your beliefs nor to attempt to convince you of the contrary. I simply stated my belief.
 
Sunny said:
That's probably true. But then, how can anybody "prove" that something doesn't exist? Let's say I am sure there is a six-headed purple people eater roaming around somewhere in the Himalayas. Can anyone prove that
it doesn't exist? The burden of proof is on the person who says it does.

Chic, lovely picture. Is it Monet?
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That's John Singer Sargent. I enjoy things like this when I don't feel great and thought c'est moi might feel the same.
 
The idea of life after death is the single stupidest fairy tale ever created. We are so afraid of dying we make up a second chance idea with the difference being life is eternal on the second go around. How pathetic.
 
Camper6 said:
Does anyone know how old are humans in the scheme of life on earth?

Im positive in my mind that animals don't think the same as humans when it comes to the hereafter.
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Based on fossil evidence, hominins apparently go back about 4 million years. Modern humans about 50 to 100 thousand. Who knows when religion began. Imagine yourself in this situation. You're smart, and you see all these unexplainable things around you; animals, plants, the seasons, the sun, moon, and planets. You see people die mysteriously and natural disasters, and you wonder why. It's natural to think that something or someone is in control, and you try to figure out how to get on their good side. So, maybe you sacrifice an animal and things get better, and you say AHA that works. Eventually you have people who specialize in this sort of activity. It's happened in every culture.

Lower animals aren't smart enough to think or worry about their own deaths. That's their gift.

Don
 
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Life after death.... from my eyes

Pete said:
….the sound of a lone cough echoed off the marble floor and cement
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I have not had any near death experiences so I cannot personally testify to what lies on the other side of this life based on actual experience and though I wish otherwise my faith is not so strong that I would happily face my mortality, so here I sit like millions of others vacillating back and forth between belief and skepticism.


Almost half the population of this earth says that nothing happens there is no afterlife we are merely a physical being no better than any other animal walking this earth. We live for a time and then we are no more is their philosophy....

but for those who insist on scientific evidence I would like to postulate the following.....​
….What if one day astronauts land on the moon or Mars and discover a functioning “bio-dome” one similar to the one in Arizona and when one stands at the control panel all the dials are set just right for human life. The oxygen ratio is perfect; the temperature is 70 degrees; the humidity is at 50%; there's a system for replenishing the air and radiation is at a rate not harmful to living beings. Looking closely you can see the dials have a huge range of possible settings and it is obvious if one were to adjust one or more of them a little bit the environment would go out of kilter and life would not be able to exist.


What conclusion would you come to if this occurred on a future space mission? Could it be that it just happened into existence? The obvious answer is someone took great care to match the settings to human life and it was not there by accident. Some intelligent being designed and prepared it to support humans and that is the analogy I carry over to our planet earth.


I do not believe that it could have happened just by luck that this one planet in the billions upon billions of planets in the universe had the perfect environment to nurture and sustain human life. If this belief sounds rational based on those facts then I think you must take the next logical step that only God could create that one in a billion planet ready for human life. You might now ask what does this have to do with life after death.... everything because it is a large part of the very foundation of the belief in God and therefore his teachings in the bible about heaven and hell.

Like I have said my faith at times weakens
not for lack of desire
but because I know to share in Gods glory in heaven
I must lead a life free from sin
and though rewarding
that is not an easy walk down life's road.
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Pete -- Of course you may be right. Our existence is either on purpose or an amazing coincidence. But, your odds are a bit off. There are billions of suns in our galaxy, but there are billions of galaxies. So, it's really one in more than a billion billion. The universe is thought to be about 13 billion years old. With those kind of odds, it could happen.

Don
 
Sassycakes said:
IMO I truly believe there is life after death, but it is just my opinion because of things I have experienced in my life.
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Me too but good luck getting people to believe it. it has to happen to them.
I'm one of the few who had a witness to mine.
I know there is more to us than just matter aka flesh.
 
My answer is based upon scripture, and I hope that is o.k. (even though I know some will no doubt scoff). If I gave an opinion based upon anything else, it would be just that - an opinion.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is life after death. We’ve been promised it, just read your Bible and see.
Our security as believers rests on the tenet that Jesus in the Incarnate Son of God and because He was fully God and fully man we have the promise of eternal life and because He rose, so will we.

If He failed to be God in flesh and didn’t rise from the grave, how can we have the hope that we will rise at the last day? According to Luke 16:22, we even get an angelic escort! (its the account of the rich man and Lazarus)

I think the apostle Paul said it well in Corinthians “and if the Messiah has not been raised, your faith is worthless and you are still imprisoned by your sins. But at this moment the Messiah stands risen from the dead, the first one offered in the harvest of those who have died.”

Christians have the assurance that they will be part of the harvest.
 
fmdog44 said:
The idea of life after death is the single stupidest fairy tale ever created. We are so afraid of dying we make up a second chance idea with the difference being life is eternal on the second go around. How pathetic.
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BlueDragonfly said:
It never ceases to amaze me how hostile and insulting non-believers are. :upset:
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I get it

And I applaud the open honesty

I was wunna those
…and I was quite good at it

Shut down many a Christian in their tracks, with their own arguments

Called myself agnostic (loopholes what they are)

Happened onto a scholar

He showed…’xcuse me, proved to me, thru biblical prophecies, how that book is THEE book

Daniel and The Revelation, tied to the other 64 books
It’s an involved study, months, years
But so worth it

It became fascinating, even while studying with a critical mind

Turned me around

Didn’t make me a saint

But, hey, The Man has this

And it breaks this stubbornly incorrigible soul
 
fmdog44 said:
The idea of life after death is the single stupidest fairy tale ever created. We are so afraid of dying we make up a second chance idea with the difference being life is eternal on the second go around. How pathetic.
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Who’s this WE you speak of. Please don’t speak for me. I am NOT afraid of death whatsoever . Death is actually pretty incredibly amazing but I’m not about to try and convince anyone of such a thing. We all find out eventually.
What’s pathetic are people who aggressively put down other people’s beliefs. What others believe is non of our business; as long as they aren’t hurting others. Most humans need to have something to believe in that’s bigger than themselves
 
Keesha said:
Who’s this WE you speak of. Please don’t speak for me. I am NOT afraid of death whatsoever . Death is actually pretty incredibly amazing but I’m not about to try and convince anyone of such a thing. We all find out eventually.
What’s pathetic are people who aggressively put down other people’s beliefs. What others believe is non of our business; as long as they aren’t hurting others. Most humans need to have something to believe in that’s bigger than themselves
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That is so true, no need to elaborate further, the point has been made. We all need our beliefs, otherwise, there is no point in living. Well said Keesha.
 
Gary O' said:
I get it

And I applaud the open honesty

I was wunna those
…and I was quite good at it

Shut down many a Christian in their tracks, with their own arguments

Called myself agnostic (loopholes what they are)

Happened onto a scholar

He showed…’xcuse me, proved to me, thru biblical prophecies, how that book is THEE book

Daniel and The Revelation, tied to the other 64 books
It’s an involved study, months, years
But so worth it

It became fascinating, even while studying with a critical mind

Turned me around

Didn’t make me a saint

But, hey, The Man has this

And it breaks this stubbornly incorrigible soul
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Thank you for the response, and "getting it"! Any time a Christian speaks out in response to being insulted or attacked, there is always someone quick to pounce on them to belittle them more. Not EVERY non-believer does it, but many. But, I missed a word or two in my response to the person, and gladly admit my mistake, and apologize. It's what we do. No harm intended at all.

As for your testimony, hey, Paul was a Christian basher (shut them down) as well...... and look how he turned out. :love_heart:
 
Grampa Don said:
Religion and politics: two topics that always rile people up. I don't understand it. It's so obvious that I'm always right.

Don
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LOL....I can understand political arguments firing folks up as it affects the individual and the world in which they live.

But I do not understand the religion argument because it is all belief & just doesn't matter...what I do shouldn't matter to the religious...and what they do does not matter too me....jmo
 
Ah, but it does matter a lot to believers. How many people have died for their religion? How many still do? Look at the young fellow who was recently killed trying to convert a tribe in the south pacific.

What you do doesn't matter, but what you say does if they feel it is an attack.

Maybe I should clarify. I'm not a believer, but I'm not an atheist either. I just don't worry about it.

Don
 
Thing is,Grampa D; it matters not whether I believe in God-but whether he believes in me.

I think maybe his conviction I exist isn't 100%,but he prefers to err on the side of caution,'just in case'.
 

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