10 Dead in Shooting at Oregon College.

So heartbreaking. National insanity indeed. Millions of decent people held hostage by a rabid few. History has not been kind to similar situations. Unchecked, violence/extremism/denial always escalate. Civilisation devolves into a feral society.
 
So what are we as a nation going to do about???
I got the answer.....absolutely NOTHING....while we all sit and wait till the next massacre.
I saw the President speaking today and when he stopped reading the prepared scrip and spoke from the heart, I saw a REAL leader for a change and I don't even like him.
Thanks Mr. President.
 

Unfortunately this country and it's laws are controlled by the people with the biggest check books.. and can write the biggest checks. Our congress depends on them for their re-elections... The NRA is one of the biggest. Unfortunately the nefarious Citizens United ruling by the conservative Supreme Court has allowed this to spiral out of control, allowing unlimited contributions by large donors. Until we can overturn this ruling and get the money out of politics.. thousands more will die and nothing will change.. We will see this happening over and over... There is nothing we can do about it.
 
Warrigal said:
Bob, you are following up a distraction. Alcohol abuse is a different issue entirely. It's main impact is road deaths and domestic violence.
Of course, add firearms to the mix and alcohol plus a gun becomes a very dangerous combination, but that is not really the issue here.
Click to expand...

The distraction is my mind as this person said nowhere in the US sells alcohol to under 21. I still don't believe that as beer is sold to under 18 in Ohio and their alcohol laws exclude beer. I was just remembering for that person the many places I did buy beer while under 21. To me, beer is an alcohol drink whether excluded from controls or not. Drinking after 21 is still a big issue.

Now how is it handled in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and England also. I have seen photo's showing families with younger children have a beer. No problem over there?
 
BobF said:
The distraction is my mind as this person said nowhere in the US sells alcohol to under 21. I still don't believe that as beer is sold to under 18 in Ohio and their alcohol laws exclude beer. I was just remembering for that person the many places I did buy beer while under 21. To me, beer is an alcohol drink whether excluded from controls or not. Drinking after 21 is still a big issue.

Now how is it handled in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and England also. I have seen photo's showing families with younger children have a beer. No problem over there?
Click to expand...

Bob... alcohol was mentioned in passing.... This thread is about guns... stop with the alcohol already... no one is interested... why not start your own thread about the drinking age.
 
About guns? I thought it was a news thread about a shooting in Oregon where a 26 year old black man named Chris Harper Mercer went on a killing spree.
 
The perpetrator went on a mass shooting spree--with guns. I don't think his colour is relevant, but no doubt the race pimps will point their finger anyway. Anything to obviate the obvious problem here.
 
I'm interested to know the reason behind the religion question that was apparently asked before deciding whether a victim could live or die.
Apart from the general question of firearms access it is also important to analyse the mindset of the shooter.
 
So what are we as a nation going to do about???
I got the answer.....absolutely NOTHING....while we all sit and wait till the next massacre.
I saw the President speaking today and when he stopped reading the prepared scrip and spoke from the heart, I saw a REAL leader for a change and I don't even like him.
Thanks Mr. President.

Very well said Davey...you summed up the whole thread perfectly

To some of the rest of you I was being sarcastic when I mentioned the drinking age. Heaven forbid we let children under 21 get drunk...but they can die for their country or buy a firearm and go on a shooting spree at 18...insanity
 
Shalimar said:
So heartbreaking. National insanity indeed. Millions of decent people held hostage by a rabid few. History has not been kind to similar situations. Unchecked, violence/extremism/denial always escalate. Civilisation devolves into a feral society.
Click to expand...

I'm not one of those held hostage, because I carry whenever I go out and I'll be damned if I don't use it in such scenarios.

I'm not food - I'm prey. If that makes me feral, good.

Maybe if a few more people would "man up" instead of crying about it there would be fewer occurrences.
 
I have worn both hats--unwillingly. Neither were a natural fit, although being feral is. I know I am willing to die rather than relinquish my humanity. I have paid far too high a price for it.
 
SifuPhil said:
I'm not one of those held hostage, because I carry whenever I go out and I'll be damned if I don't use it in such scenarios.

I'm not food - I'm prey. If that makes me feral, good.

Maybe if a few more people would "man up" instead of crying about it there would be fewer occurrences.
Click to expand...

I don't carry guns whenever I go out, but I agree with your basic message Phil. When will people start taking responsibility for themselves. Being a victim isn't for me either. You have courage to make an interesting point, albeit an unpopular one.
 
Shalimar said:
I have worn both hats--unwillingly. Neither were a natural fit, although being feral is. I know I am willing to die rather than relinquish my humanity. I have paid far too high a price for it.
Click to expand...

I subscribe to - and have seen in my life work - the Sheep, Shepard and Wolf theory. Most people are Sheep and they will never be anything else.

Then there are the Wolves - the relentless, inhuman killers.

The Shepards are those who stand between the two, either voluntarily or by personality / upbringing / etc.

Once in a very long while one type of person can become another, either by training or by life event.

You say you would rather die than relinquish your humanity. Would you? Really? Think about it ... life is the greatest gift we have ...

Shalimar said:
Sometimes being a victim is not a choice.
Click to expand...

Ehhhhhh ... for the most part, in this life anyway, I think it is. It's a decision we all make. It's an attitude; we wear it like a coat wherever we go. It's in our posture and our voice. It's in our way of thinking. Those who have made the choice include soldiers, police, firemen ... the people we usually refer to as "heroes".

Because what is a hero except someone who refuses to become a victim? Who fights through impossible odds, no matter what the outcome?
 
So you are saying that those Oregon college students made the decision to go to that college and attend that class on that day made a choice to become a gun violence victims? Or are you saying that because they didn't have guns and didn't shoot back that it was their choice to die?
 
QuickSilver said:
So you are saying that those Oregon college students made the decision to go to that college and attend that class on that day made a choice to become a gun violence victims? Or are you saying that because they didn't have guns and didn't shoot back that it was their choice to die?
Click to expand...

Both.

They made a choice to become victims by making the choice not to carry.
 
SifuPhil said:
Both.

They made a choice to become victims by making the choice not to carry.
Click to expand...


So, in your opinion, everyone should be carrying a gun.... and if you don't... and you are killed by a maniac carrying one... It's your own fault. amazing..
 

You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top