11/4/2023 pro-Palestinian protests around the world

Paco Dennis said:
Oh I just picked the Palestinian President. Leaders from all over the world are speaking out about this war. There are a multitude of leaders I could have quoted. Do we ask them all?
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Oh, just by chance. I see.

Btw, I’m pretty much done with the whole pro-Palestinian charade. Anyone who believes it should take a look at the marches.

See the fake blood smeared on the doors of buildings the pro-Palestinians pass by. Whose blood does that represent? It's not representing the blood of Hamas. It represents the blood of Jews.


Find out what 'From the River to the Sea' really means and then tell me those marchers are only pro-Palestinian.

 

Paco Dennis said:
It is all propaganda from both sides. There is no conclusive evidence. or maybe you could provide a link...thanks.
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You are so misinformed. It's all out there. You are not suggesting Oct. 7 didn't happen, did you? Or the accuracy of the film Hamas shot for all the world to see?
 

Paco Dennis said:
Why are you attacking me? Could you refrain from that please. Provide information not ridicule please
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I'm not attacking you. I'm truly trying to figure out where you stand in this. You "sound" very pro-something, so I asked outright instead of beating around the bush. And I *did* say you didn't have to answer. That's okay... I forgive you.
 
CallMeKate said:
I'm not attacking you. I'm truly trying to figure out where you stand in this. You "sound" very pro-something, so I asked outright instead of beating around the bush. And I *did* say you didn't have to answer. That's okay... I forgive you.
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SQUARELY, I stand for peace and an end to the killing. It sounds like a never ending river of blood for the foreseeable future.
 

New GoPro Footage from Hamas Terrorists Shows Victim Being Beheaded With a Shovel, Screaming Children and Executions​


Journalists who were shown the footage described hearing Hamas fighters bragging about the massacres, including one who told his parents gleefully that he 'killed 10 Jews' with his 'bare hands'​


Christopher Gavin
Newly released GoPro footage recorded by Hamas combatants reportedly shows gruesome scenes recorded by the terror group during its Oct. 7 massacre on Israel, including the moments when militants used a shovel to behead one victim and when a father was killed by a grenade in front of his two sons.

The footage, released to hundreds of international journalists during a screening in Tel Aviv on Monday, is among numerous clips compiled by Israeli forces — from cell phone videos to dashboard camera footage and security recordings — that document the severity and intensity of Hamas' assault on Israel that day, Israeli officials said.

Several reporters who watched the shocking footage posted on X about what they saw during the briefing, including BBC Middle East correspondent Jotam Confino, who said authorities asked them not to film the footage out of respect for relatives of the victims.

One video showed a terrorist "screaming 'Allahu Akbar' as he frantically tries to behead a dead man with a shovel," Confino wrote.

Another clip shows a father and his two young sons "running for their lives in their underwear" into what appears to be a bomb shelter when a Hamas militant throws a hand grenade through a shelter door, Confino wrote.

The father was killed and the two children were badly injured, Confino said.

"It looks like one of the little boys lost an eye," Fox News correspondent Mike Tobin reported. "They both scream for their father and they scream for their mother."

Confino wrote that after the attacks, the two sons are seen screaming for their father, and crying out that they are going to die.

"A Hamas terrorist casually and calmly takes a bottle of water from the family’s fridge and drinks it as the two boys weep," he wrote.

During a Monday broadcast, Tobin said Fox couldn't broadcast the footage because "it's too horrible."

MSN

Paco Dennis, I will not post the video that accompanies this article here out of respect for other posters but I urge you to click on the link and go see this and come back here and tell us if you still blame Israel.
 
Paco Dennis said:
You mean the imbedded journalists during the atrocities right?
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No. There was a showing of the Hamas tapes that Hamas themselves made during the slaughter. It stunned the room. There are also recorded phone calls of the terrorists calling their *mothers* and bragging about how many "Jews they killed with their bare hands" with the mothers chanting "kill, kill, kill." This stuff has been all over the news... ALL news sources.
 
Paco Dennis said:
You mean the embedded journalists during the atrocities right?
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I asked Bing

This is a sensitive and controversial topic, so I will try to answer your question based on the available information and sources. Please note that I am not endorsing or verifying any of the claims or opinions expressed by the sources.

According to some reports, there were photojournalists who were embedded with Hamas militants during their attack on Israel on October 7, 2023. These photojournalists allegedly documented the abduction and killing of Israeli civilians, as well as the celebration of Hamas leaders 12. Some of these photojournalists were employed by major media outlets such as CNN, NYT, Reuters and AP, and have since been fired or suspended 2.

However, these reports have been disputed by other sources, who claim that the photojournalists were not embedded with Hamas, but were simply covering the events from the Gaza side. They argue that the photojournalists did not witness or participate in any atrocities, and that they were only doing their job as journalists . They also accuse the Israeli government of trying to discredit and intimidate the media, and of using selective and edited footage to portray Hamas as a terrorist organization .

Therefore, the answer to your question depends on which sources you trust and believe. There is no definitive or objective evidence that can prove or disprove the allegations of embedded journalists filming the atrocities by Hamas. The best way to form your own opinion is to critically examine the sources, their biases, their methods, and their motives. I hope this helps you understand the complexity and controversy of this issue.
 
The footage you are referring to is part of the evidence that the Israeli military presented to the foreign press to show the atrocities committed by Hamas during the October 7 attack on southern Israel 123. The footage includes scenes of murder, torture, and decapitation from the terrorists’ bodycams, as well as CCTV, dashboard cameras, and mobile phones 2.

The credibility of the footage is a matter of debate and controversy. Some sources claim that the footage shows indiscriminate and excessive use of force by the Israeli forces, resulting in civilian casualties and friendly fire incidents 1. Others question the authenticity and accuracy of the footage, suggesting that it may have been edited or manipulated to serve the Israeli narrative 4. The Israeli military denies these allegations and asserts that the footage is genuine and verified 2.

Ultimately, the trustworthiness of the footage depends on the perspective and bias of the viewer. Some people may accept the footage as a valid proof of Hamas’s brutality and Israel’s self-defense. Others may reject the footage as a propaganda tool and a cover-up for Israel’s aggression and violations. There is no definitive answer to this question, as different sources may have different agendas and interpretations of the events. Therefore, it is important to be critical and skeptical of any information that comes from a conflict zone, and to seek multiple and diverse sources of evidence and analysis.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I asked Bing
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:rolleyes:
"Many conservatives might use the search engine Bing to circumvent Google's left-wing bias. A new study suggests that the Microsoft-owned search engine is not a good alternative for them, however. In fact, it might be even worse.

“People completely underestimate the dangers of bias when it comes to search engines. They think they are getting balanced information, and they’re not,” John Gable, co-founder and CEO of AllSides, the organization that conducted the study, told The Daily Signal in an emailed statement. “Instead, they’re being thrown into divisive filter bubbles that make them confidently ignorant.”


Bing News Leans Even Further Left Than Google, AllSides Study Finds
 
I have finished what I wanted to share. I hope this was informative, not a debate. This is all heating up in a big way. I appreciate a forum that allows sensitive issues to be discussed. not debated endlessly. :)
 
The leaders of Hamas/Palestine have made it clear they do not want peace or a stop of the killing until all Jews are dead and Israel is erased. And I believe them. So, there is no path to peace until Israel is destroyed or Hamas/Palestine is destroyed. There is no middle ground anymore. We all have to pick a side.

And odd that anyone would look to Bing (or Google) for moral advice.....
 
Pepper said:
I don't understand the above remark, but do feel it is hostile and you are getting defensive. Your point is not clear. If you have something definitive to say, then say it Paco.
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I doubt if you will get a response to this - Paco has "left the building" on this thread, and he has made it clear his sympathies are with Hamas/Palestine.
 
Myrtle said:
The political system is at the top of the Islamic structure, not at the level of someone’s US employees.
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You are right. The Islamic political system is documented by modern research and the historic Quran. It isn’t defined by someone’s employees or isolated Islamic apologists. The Quran contains the rules for governing and the punishments Muslims are to administer to those who break the rules. It also contains the rules of engagement for war. This is because Muhammad, its author, was the governor of the city his army was based in.

It is the desire of Islam to impose this Islamic government on other countries and that has proven to be deadly. Countries like Israel who have a strong government ideology and a strong religious theology won’t tolerate Islamic Law domination. China who has no national religious theology but has a strong government ideology won’t tolerate Islam domination either. In China, they want you to get with the Communist government ideology or get out. Americans, who know little or nothing about Islam, tend to ignore it or else promote its inclusion at all levels of government, education and jurisprudence.
 
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Pepper said:
I don't understand the above remark, but do feel it is hostile and you are getting defensive. Your point is not clear. If you have something definitive to say, then say it Paco.
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Sorry Pepper, had a Zoom meeting with a neuropathy support group. No not at all emotional. I had heard stories about there being Palestinian journalists right with Hamas during the beginning of the raid. Then someone said otherwise. It is all so very confusing for me.
 
Buckeye said:
I doubt if you will get a response to this - Paco has "left the building" on this thread, and he has made it clear his sympathies are with Hamas/Palestine.
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No he hasn't. Please refrain from making this personal please. I won't try to debate right and wrong or unprovable hypothesis.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I just ran into this....seems apropos. Hard to find humor in this situation.
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Surely you can see why that cartoon is bothersome, Dennis? It doesn't even say "Pro-Palestinian"... it says "Pro-Hamas" which is a known terrorist group. See, people aren't even trying to separate them any longer. Pro-Hamas is Pro-terrorist, so it shouldn't be offensive/shocking when there's push-back when someone announces they support terrorists.
 
CallMeKate said:
Surely you can see why that cartoon is bothersome, Dennis? It doesn't even say "Pro-Palestinian"... it says "Pro-Hamas" which is a known terrorist group. See, people aren't even trying to separate them any longer. Pro-Hamas is Pro-terrorist, so it shouldn't be offensive/shocking when there's push-back when someone announces they support terrorists.
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I take it to mean that if someone speaks with empathy towards the plight of the Palestinians, they are swiftly labeled pro-Hamas. Which is ridiculous. So it is ridiculous humor. :)
 
Buckeye said:
Ya know, you can't unsay what you've already said on here. Not sure what you mean by "unprovable hypothesis"....
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I have no regrets about what I have said. I have been anti-war for over a year on this forum, most everyone knows.

People make statements of the war and act like they are true, but when I look to find the actual evidence it is missing, thus hypothesis...it is unproven, and I won't debate fantasies.
 

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