11/4/2023 pro-Palestinian protests around the world

Paco Dennis said:
I didn't realize how many people were protesting. I wonder if this will speed up an end to the bombing?
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Israel from the beginning stated two objectives following declaration of war in response to Hamas terror attacks and those are to destroy Hamas and its operational base and to rescue the hostages. Their objectives won't change regardless of global protests.



Reposting from the main war thread. This is what Hamas thinks of the bombing of Gaza:



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I suppose there were "Pro-Hitler Pro-Nazi" protests in the 30s and 40s, too. I for one am very glad that the Allies didn't have wimps running things who would back down because of bleeding heart "protests." Where would we be? :mad:
 

Paco Dennis said:
I didn't realize how many people were protesting. I wonder if this will speed up an end to the bombing?

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7297874887429917982
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Doesn't matter how many or how big, Israel is not going to stop until Hamas is wiped out in Gaza. And I bet a bazillion nuthins that, afterward, Israel will provide aid to the Gazan Palestinians until they have new leadership or can take care of themselves.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I think the pro-Palestinian protests are against the bombing of innocent civilians. ?
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Many are holding signs and/or chanting "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." Those that have actually looked at a map referencing what they're saying want Israel destroyed. Some of the fools chanting have no clue and are feeding off mob energy but plenty do know exactly what it means.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Wasn't those pro Nazi protests gatherings that supported anti-Semitism and white supremacy? I think the pro-Palestinian protests are against the bombing of innocent civilians. ?
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They are mostly about the false assertion that Israel is an occupier and colonizer and oppressor of Palestine.

In truth, Israel just wants to leave the Gazan Palestinians alone, but Hamas won't let them. Hamas can't stand the idea of peaceful coexistence between Israel and Gaza and Arabs and Jews, and they love it when their own citizens get killed by Israeli weapons. Hamas hides their weapons and meeting places and military headquarters underneath their own children's schools and their people's hospitals and shopping malls and etc precisely so that civilians will be killed whenever Israel bombs Hamas military targets.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Wasn't those pro Nazi protests gatherings that supported anti-Semitism and white supremacy? I think the pro-Palestinian protests are against the bombing of innocent civilians. ?
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Like Dresden? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? London Blitz? War is hell. We all know it... but come on! "Sorry, we'll leave the playground now so nobody gets hurt?" That's not the real world.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I think the pro-Palestinian protests are against the bombing of innocent civilians. ?
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That wouldn't be taking place if Hamas didn't start this by attacking innocent Israelis. Not having another option I Googled military bases for Israel & Hamas.

I found a list of Israeli bases separate from civilian population. The search does show Hamas located in hospitals & no separate location away from Palestinian population.

If being humanitarian is the issue then why didn't Hamas attack the military bases? And it's really hard to counter/respond to an enemy the hides among it's own people.

This war was begun by Hamas & Israelis are doing the best they can to assure nothing like the attack on Oct. 7th slaughtering their people doesn't happen again. The "peaceful" Palestinians could have helped by denouncing Hamas & isolating them as much as possible. But that didn't happen & isn't happening.
 
Knight said:
The "peaceful" Palestinians could have helped by denouncing Hamas & isolating them as much as possible. But that didn't happen & isn't happening.
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And that makes one wonder if they are under threat of torture or death. There's no question Hamas makes sure hatred of Israel and Jews is taught to tots and school children, and it's taught so well that these children will turn against their own parents if they express any sympathy or kindness toward Israel or Jews.
 
AnnieA said:
Many are holding signs and/or chanting "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." Those that have actually looked at a map referencing what they're saying want Israel destroyed. Some of the fools chanting have no clue and are feeding off mob energy but plenty do know exactly what it means.
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True. I wonder how many of the protesters realize that unless they are Muslim, they are considered infidels and on the hit list after the entire Jewish population?
 
Murrmurr said:
There's no question Hamas makes sure hatred of Israel and Jews is taught to tots and school children, and it's taught so well that these children will turn against their own parents if they express any sympathy or kindness toward Israel or Jews.
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Well now that's chilling. Your post made me remember that the Hitler Youth were taught to (and did) turn in relatives, even parents, if they were hiding Jews. History really *does* repeat itself and through all of it, the "give peace a chance" chanters are flicking their lighters and "protesting" while swaying and being oblivious to what's about to bite them in the hindquarters.
 
It is true that there have been terrorist attacks all over the globe. Maybe these kind of Muslims believe they are the chosen people for the middle east. Will it be straightened out after so many Muslims have been killed this time? Won't they seek revenge on this war? That could start a bigger war if that happens.
 
Paco Dennis said:
It is true that there have been terrorist attacks all over the globe. Maybe these kind of Muslims believe they are the chosen people for the middle east. Will it be straightened out after so many Muslims have been killed this time? Won't they seek revenge on this war? That could start a bigger war if that happens.
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I think that's true, but not just for the Middle-East; for the entire world.

And I think a larger conflict is what the US military is preparing for.
 
Haven't we ( mankind) come to a place where we have very deep opposing views on very critical matters, that we have both sides protesting, a huge amount of support for either side ( including the general public ( mass media )), and we are at logger heads about a solution, if there is one even? It seems like we having so many huge issues that we are fighting each other on. Like we all want to fill our days with a serious game of tug-a-war. It barely matters anymore. We turn the smallest things into a protest. :) It so ironic that we all want to live peacefully, and yet the battle lines can be seen now. "Must be the season of the Witch".. oh that was last month.
It might be our very brain is rewiring itself in an image of the mass media we are receiving. So EVERYTHING and ANYTHING can become divisive.
In all the protests you have people on each side hatin' on each other somehow. The issues are starting to get to us somehow. They are hitting alot of nerves. This amount of nerve wracking fighting can wear anybody down, especially us old and feeble seniors. :)
I don't know if our hate and angry outbursts do anything other than move a bunch of hot air.
We might have the "virus" again to fight over. :eek:
 
I will only make this one comment: Before passing judgement on any of the people involved please recognize that western (American and European) news outlets have not presented all the facts to the public going back to the post war founding of Israel. They have been heavily biased, perhaps over compensating for the history of anti-Semitism in their own countries.

Keep in mind that among the protesters are holocaust survivors, Orthodox Jews and current citizens of Isreal. Suggested source, any article or video of Dr. Gabor Mate'. A holocaust survivor who abandoned his support of Zionism after visiting the area and having learned the reality of the history from late 40s till now.

As with all such conflicts there's plenty of blame to go around, including some that should be lain on how the allies re-drew the borders of mid-eastern nations after WWII, with little regard for local history, and cultural conflicts between groups. (The Kurdish people were disadvantaged by this too).

I don't want to cross the 'no politics' lines, so i will not list the salient points i've made on other platforms, just recommend learning more before labeling good/bad guys.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Haven't we ( mankind) come to a place where we have very deep opposing views on very critical matters, that we have both sides protesting, a huge amount of support for either side ( including the general public ( mass media )), and we are at logger heads about a solution, if there is one even? It seems like we having so many huge issues that we are fighting each other on. Like we all want to fill our days with a serious game of tug-a-war. It barely matters anymore. We turn the smallest things into a protest. :) It so ironic that we all want to live peacefully, and yet the battle lines can be seen now. "Must be the season of the Witch".. oh that was last month.
It might be our very brain is rewiring itself in an image of the mass media we are receiving. So EVERYTHING and ANYTHING can become divisive.
In all the protests you have people on each side hatin' on each other somehow. The issues are starting to get to us somehow. They are hitting alot of nerves. This amount of nerve wracking fighting can wear anybody down, especially us old and feeble seniors. :)
I don't know if our hate and angry outbursts do anything other than move a bunch of hot air.
We might have the "virus" again to fight over. :eek:
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There has always been good and evil. Apparently, some have lost their ability to tell the difference.

I may be old but my mind is not feeble. I still know that terrorism is wrong and democracy is better. That makes the decision between Israel and Hamas/Palestine very easy for me.

I have no trouble choosing between a country that sneaks in the night to behead babies, rape women and kill men in their sleep and a country that defends it's women and children however it has to.

Weakness is still not a substitute for strength. If a country doesn't want a fight then don't pick a fight.

And one last thing, we never see a pro-'Palestinian' protester calling for the release of kidnapped Israeli and American innocents from the tunnels of Gaza.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I didn't realize how many people were protesting. I wonder if this will speed up an end to the bombing?
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I wondered who was indoctrinating all those people who popped up suddenly to protest for Palestinians. Then I read the following article. Hamas has probably moved into our education system for some years..

https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/2023-10/the-hamas-network-in-america.pdf

Hamas supporters have long operated in the United States. FBI wiretaps clearly show the existence of a nationwide Hamas network engaged in fundraising, lobbying, education and propaganda dissemination dating back to the 1980s. The network formalized its existence in 1988, when it created the Islamic Palestine Committee in the US. The Committee’s goals included “increasing the financial and the moral support for Hamas, and publicizing “the savagery of the Jews.”
 
The land belonged to the Jews long before the Palestinians were there and it belongs to the Jews again today.
Palestinians voted Hamas into power in 2005. Palestinian hate for Jews was stronger than love for their children.
Now Hamas is hiding behind those complicit Palestinians and children. Hiding under hospitals and schools.
Stop Islamic terrorism or they will come for you and your children. Bomb them off the face of the earth if need be.
 
Don M. said:
Religious Fanaticism has probably caused more deaths and damage to society than any disease, throughout human history, IMO, such fanaticism is a mental illness.
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America has spent billions fighting only one religion since 9/11/2001. If Americans could realize that, a discussion might could get started about what to do about that religion.
 

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