2020 Football (American, that is)

OOps! - Please note re those TV times in the above 2 posts on Week 7 predictions:
All times are EDT except for Seahawks game which was moved to prime (night) spot: the Seahawks game time listed is for Pacific Daylight Time, not EDT.
 

From Lethe200's post:

"The NFC East is so bad that even after last week’s humiliation at the hands of the Cardinals, the Cowboys (2-4) stayed in first place. And they can cement themselves there by beating the lowly Footballers (1-5) on the road."

The only thing that is going to save us from an NFC East team winning the conference with a 5-11 record is they have to play
each other.
Dare we say 6-10 will hurl a team into the playoffs? That's a tad low,
more like 7-9-nay, gonn'a go with 6-10:rolleyes:

KC is an easy pick, their the new Patriots- win every Sunday.
 
When a team is stripped of their name, they will then be called the Orphans.


Watched first six minutes of Washington Orphans vs Dallas Cowpersons
The Orphans fumbled, the Cowpersons then fumbled in the end zone for a safety.

(Dodgers had a bad case of the fumbles in the 9th inning last night, cost them the game.)

Addendum
Terry Bradshaw called Cowperson's "Horrible." the other pundits on NFL Today spent several minutes scratching their heads trying to
figure out was was wrong with the NFC-East.
It's the defense
It's the.......
Nope, their all just horrible.
 

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What We Learned From Week 7 of the NFL Season Pt 1 of 2
NYTimes by Benjamin Hoffman Oct. 25, 2020 (edited for length by lethe200)

The NFL moved Seattle’s game in AZ to the prime time spot. As a result, a national audience was treated to a thriller, with the Seahawks taking a lead in the game’s first four minutes and not trailing again until the final play of OT. AZ kept plugging away, and momentum began to shift in Q4. AZ’s Zane Gonzalez connected on a 48-yard FG that gave the Cardinals a shocking 37-34 victory, further tightening the most competitive division in the NFL.

Chaos reigns in the NFC East. By year end this division may be decided by a game of rock paper scissors. The Cowboys went to Washington with a chance of improving to 3-4, which would have put them ahead of 2-4-1 Philadelphia for the division lead. Instead, Dallas fell behind Washington early, lost Andy Dalton to a head injury - forcing its little-known third-stringer, Ben DiNucci, to finish the game - and got blown out, 25-3. Kyle Allen (194 yds passing, two TDs) and Antonio Gibson (128 yds rushing, one TD) had great games for Washington. Just to emphasize how rough things have been in the NFL’s worst division, the team with the worst record in the NFC West - SF - would have a commanding lead in the East.

Sunday’s Top Performers

Top Passer: Baker Mayfield.
It’s hard to imagine a worse start to a game than having your first pass intercepted, having your team’s best receiver injured on that play and then throwing four consecutive incompletions. But things picked up considerably afterwards for Mayfield, who completed 22 of his final 23 passes for 297 yds and set a new career high with five passing TDs. Mayfield endured a great deal of criticism after last week’s loss to Pittsburgh, and enjoyed his big day.

Top Runner: Jeff Wilson. SF’s top RB is Raheem Mostert. Coach Kyle Shanahan has big hopes for second-string Tevin Coleman. The 49ers’ third-stringer is Jerick McKinnon. Because of injuries to all three, the team turned to Wilson on Sunday and the former standout for North Texas had the game of his life, racing for 112 yds and scoring three TDs. But in keeping with the Niners 2020 season, Wilson’s big day ended abruptly when he injured his ankle while scoring his third TD. Wilson has already missed games due to a calf injury and wasn’t even activated until late in the week. Shanahan said afterwards it was “not looking great.”

Top Receiver: Tyler Lockett. It’s a coin flip between Lockett and GBay’s Davante Adams, as both receivers had absolutely incredible games. Lockett, however, gets the edge, as he did his damage against Patrick Peterson and a solid AZ defense, while Adams did his against a lousy Houston secondary that lost its best player, Bradley Roby, in the first quarter.

Sunday’s Games:

Buccaneers 45, Raiders 20.
Tom Brady continued to spread the ball around, throwing TD passes to four different receivers, and TBay kept its momentum from last week’s blowout win over the Packers. Raiders QB Derek Carr actually out-dueled Brady, throwing for 249 yds vs Brady’s 158. But LVegas was less successful than Tampa in the red zone, and were done in by turnovers (3 lost fumbles versus none for the Bucs) and the two TDs by TBay’s special teams play.

Cardinals 37, Seahawks 34. Moved to prime time, Seattle and Arizona put on a show for national TV. Russell Wilson threw for 388 yds and rushed for 84. Tyler Lockett had 200 yds receiving and three TDs. Kyler Murray threw for 360 and rushed for 67.

The Hawks dropped to 5-1, while AZ improved to 5-2 when the defense stepped up in Q4 and in OT. The pass rush finally appeared, sacking Wilson twice and pressuring him several other times, leading to Wilson making a bad pass which was intercepted by seldom-used linebacker Isaiah Simmons, putting AZ in the position to win.

AZ had several moments that would have caused a lesser team to quit. AZ’s Budda Baker got chased down by DK Metcalf on what would have been a 98-yard interception return for a TD. Then Zane Gonzalez missed an attempt at a game-winner from 41 yds during the Cardinals’ first possession in OT. Seattle’s Metcalf had what appeared to be a 48-yard game-winning TD in OT, but it was negated by a holding penalty.

Steelers 27, Titans 24. In the matchup of unbeaten teams, Pittsburgh got off to a 27-7 start - effectively neutralizing Titan’s RB Derrick Henry - yet the game turned into a 27-24 nail-biter. The Titans’ rebirth came courtesy of three interceptions, the last of which came with less than three minutes remaining and the Steelers clinging to a 3-point lead. But Tennessee, which started the season with three consecutive games decided by the leg of Stephen Gostkowski, had its magic run out. Gostkowski’s 45-yard attempt to tie the game with 19 seconds remaining sailed wide right, leaving Pittsburgh (6-0) as the NFL’s last unbeaten team.

Chiefs 43, Broncos 16. Playing in snowy conditions in Denver, the Chiefs were nowhere near their best when they had the ball, going 0 for 8 on third down conversion attempts. But Daniel Sorensen contributed a pick-six, Byron Pringle had a 102-yard kickoff return and the Chiefs demolished the Broncos, 43-16, despite Denver having dramatic advantages in total yds and time of possession. The celebration was fairly muted, as KC was winning by such a wide margin, but Tyreek Hill’s TD catch in the fourth quarter kept a streak alive for Patrick Mahomes: 17 consecutive regular-season games with a TD pass.
 
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What We Learned From Week 7 of the NFL Season Pt 2 of 2
NYTimes by Benjamin Hoffman Oct. 25, 2020 (edited for length by lethe200)

Browns 37, Bengals 34. Ohio suddenly has an intrastate rivalry. A game between Cincinnati and Cleveland got off to an inauspicious start when Joe Burrow and Baker Mayfield were both intercepted on their first drives. Odell Beckham Jr. was lost to injury on the Browns’ opening drive (and for the season). Fortunately Rashard Higgins stepped up in a big way, with six catches for a career-high 110 yds. The Bengals were leading by 17-10 at halftime.

But in the second half, the game morphed into a heavyweight bout between Mayfield, first pick in the 2018 draft, and Burrow, first pick in 2020. Mayfield won the day, finding Donovan Peoples-Jones for a 24-yard TD with 11 seconds remaining, putting Cleveland ahead to stay 37-34. But Burrow nearly kept up, throwing for 406 yds and three TDs.

49ers 33, Patriots 6. Jimmy Garoppolo wasn’t perfect against his former team, but Patriots Coach Bill Belichick must be a little jealous watching his former QB-in-waiting complete 20 of 25 passes for 277 yds in a blowout, while his current QBs, Cam Newton and Jarrett Stidham, combined for 147 yds passing and four interceptions against an injury-depleted Niner D. That Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski continued their fountain of youth act for TBay probably added to the sour taste.

HC Shanahan and DC Saleh have won two in a row but the Niners now face the toughest November of any NFL team. Sunday’s game brought their already league-leading injury report from 19 players up to 21 players – 5 of which are first-string defenders. The SF offense has, for multiple games, lost 2 QBs, 4 RBs, 3 wide receivers, 2 tight ends, 3 centers, and 2 RTs....and we’re not yet halfway thru 2020.

Packers 35, Texans 20. Deshaun Watson had a nice second half, and made his team look respectable, but Aaron Rodgers had already given his team an insurmountable lead, compiling a passer rating (132.4) that was nearly 100 points higher than what he managed last week (35.4).

Saints 27, Panthers 24. New Orleans completed 12 of its 14 third-down attempts, and got FGs from Wil Lutz after the team’s only two failures. But Panthers’ Teddy Bridgewater kept things far closer than predicted. He threw for 254 yds and two TDs and got some laughs by taking a break on the Saints’ bench, sitting down between his former teammates Drew Brees and Taysom Hill at the end of a play.

But with Carolina trailing by 3 with just over two minutes left, Bridgewater took an 8-yard sack, which essentially decided the game. The sack forced Carolina back to the Saints’ 47-yard line. Joey Slye came out for what would have been an NFL-record 65-yard FG. Slye’s kick was true, but it fell less than a yard short of the crossbar, letting New Orleans hang on for a 27-24 win.

Bills 18, Jets 10. Sam Darnold came back from a shoulder injury, but after he barely completed 50 percent of his passes (12 of 23), threw two interceptions and was sacked six times, he might be wondering why he didn’t take another week to heal. The Jets are 0-7 for just the second time in franchise history and could match the franchise’s worst start (0-8 in 1996) with a loss in KC next week. Buffalo, meanwhile, will start searching for its offense after the team failed to break 20 points for a third consecutive game.

Chargers 39, Jaguars 29. Justin Herbert finally got his first career win in a big way by throwing for 347 yds and three TDs, while also running in a score. Herbert has thrown for at least 250 yds in each of his first five starts, a feat previously only accomplished by Patrick Mahomes, who did it in his first 10.

Lions 23, Falcons 22. Detroit didn’t get much production out of its RBs, but Matthew Stafford threw for 340 yds and a TD and the Lions won for the third time in four games. It seems Atlanta can always find a new way to lose. The Falcons were trailing Detroit by 2 in the game’s final two minutes when Atlanta’s Todd Gurley II broke free for an easy 10-yard TD. Aware of the amount of time remaining, Gurley tried to fall down at the 1-yard line, in hopes of chewing up some clock. Unfortunately, he misjudged the distance, barely breaking the plane of the end zone for a go-ahead TD.

That mistake gave the Lions 1 minute 4 seconds to go 75 yds, and they did just that, with Matthew Stafford hitting TE T.J. Hockenson for an 11-yard TD as time expired in Detroit’s 23-22 victory. This was the 36th game-winning drive of Stafford’s career, according to Pro Football Reference, which trails only Drew Brees (37) since 2009.

Footballers 25, Cowboys 3. Dallas (2-5) began its season with great optimism. But injuries to Dak Prescott and Andy Dalton, and a bad loss to Washington, have the team on the trade market, with rumblings from top to bottom of locker room discontent. After Dallas QB Dalton received what many saw as a dirty shoulder-to-helmet hit from Washington linebacker Jon Bostic, there was a lot of external and internal criticism for the Cowboys not fighting back to defend their injured QB.

The pass protection for all Dallas QBs has been mediocre all year. Ben DiNucci, a rookie out of James Madison, completed the game with 2 of 3 for 39 passing yds and will start next week. The next QB on the depth chart is Garrett Gilbert, who has played for the Patriots, Rams, Panthers and Browns, throwing a total of six passes.

It’s only the second time since 2004 Dallas has been held to just 3 pts. They trailed in yds, 397-142, and first downs, 21-12. They were 3 for 12 on third-down conversions and 0 for 1 on fourth down, when they mysteriously called a passing play on fourth-and-1. Dalton was pressured and threw it incomplete. RB Ezekiel Elliott isn’t getting the job done. He was held to just 45 yds rushing, had a ball bounce off him for an interception and made mistakes in pass protection.
 
All Rightttt, Falcons and Panthers
Wait, the Falcons caught the virus rampant in the NFC-East when they played Dallas.
What is the NFC-East Virus-were going to stink up this game, it is called the El Stinko Virus.

So, you already the Falcons cannot win, turn off TV read...
 
Crowd Noise
I have wondered about this all season.
Why can't we watch a game without the pumped in crowd noise?
The crowd noise often makes the announcers commentary difficult to hear.

Also, i don't need to know the players personal problems, nor the 'silly,' 'He had small pox when he was twelve.'
We have to have a commentator, which gives us the play-by-play, a color announcer which often tells us information we don't need to know.
'Harold has had his problems with drugs, domestic violence, his coaches, his fellow players, he appears confused...'
 
Figured out the Dallas Cowboys:
The entire squad is made up of gentlemen:🎩

The offensive line is not offensive
The defensive line is not offensive
The running backs feel it is only fair to 'put the ball on the ground,' giving their opponents a chance;
they all played years of soccer (no hands on the ball).
 
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Bonnie, way back when-you posted an interest in the Cleveland Browns-right?
Mayfield is finally living up to his first round draft ranking.
I just want to see Cleveland and Cinny, give the Bully Boys (Steelers and Ravens) a thumping.
(pull up the Browns in the 1960's a real powerhouse)
 
Bonnie, way back when-you posted an interest in the Cleveland Browns-right?
Mayfield is finally living up to his first round draft ranking.
I just want to see Cleveland and Cinny, give the Bully Boys (Steelers and Ravens) a thumping.
(pull up the Browns in the 1960's a real powerhouse)

@jerry old ..Jerry ... I go waaaaaaaaay back with the Browns. I grew up near Cleveland ... talking 40's, 50's, 60's .... when the NFL revolved around Jim Brown - that far back! Mostly 50's. .... can't say that I've really followed them since those days.

BUT ... am glad that they are starting to make a respectable comeback. 'bout time! :) ..
Pittsburgh and Baltimore have been running that division a long time now.
 
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NFL Week 8 Predictions: Our Picks Part 1 of 2
NY Times by Benjamin Hoffman Oct. 29, 2020 (edited by lethe200)

Thursday’s Matchup: Falcons 25, Panthers 17
Atlanta looked like it might be blowing another fourth-quarter lead, but Blidi Wreh-Wilson intercepted a Teddy Bridgewater pass that saved the day for the Falcons, who improved to 2-6 with the road victory.

RB Christian McCaffrey ended up staying on IR, and his absence doomed the Panthers after Atlanta’s Matt Ryan (281 yds passing), Julio Jones (137 yds receiving) and Younghoe Koo (four field goals) proved too much.

Sunday’s Best Games (all times EST–set your clocks back on Saturday!)
Pittsburgh Steelers at Baltimore Ravens, 1 p.m., CBS
Pick: Ravens
The Steelers (6-0) worked for their win over Tennessee, surviving to become the NFL’s last remaining unbeaten team. That status could be tested by the Ravens (5-1), who are coming out of a bye week.

This is the 25th time that Coach John Harbaugh has faced Coach Mike Tomlin, which will set a record for the Super Bowl era, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. The matchup is a case of strength against strength: Pittsburgh’s top-rated NFL run defense vs Baltimore’s stable of RBs.

The Steelers minimized the mighty Titans RB Derrick Henry last week, proving how tough they can be, but it’s worth noting that the last player to top 100 yds rushing against Pittsburgh was Gus Edwards, who is effectively the third or fourth option for Baltimore on any running play but may have an increased role with Mark Ingram out with an ankle injury.

The teams excel at defending both the run and the pass. They both pass the ball and run the ball fairly well. And they both are legitimate Super Bowl contenders. That this game is wasted in a 1 p.m. time slot, while a putrid NFC East matchup between Philadelphia and Dallas is in prime time, is unforgivable. But it should at least give Sunday an exciting start.

LA Rams at Miami Dolphins, 1 p.m., Fox
Pick: Rams
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick may have expressed disappointment that Tua Tagovailoa had been named starting QB for the Dolphins (3-3), but the move makes perfect sense. Miami is playing about as well as can be expected considering the state of the team’s rebuild, but even that good fortune does not have the Dolphins in line for a playoff spot despite the expanded format. Acknowledging that the team’s long-term future hinges on its 22-year-old rookie, rather than a nearly-38-year-old with a 58-86-1 career record is not exactly a controversial stance.

Tagovailoa will have a tough debut in facing the Rams’ fairly good secondary, led by cornerback Jalen Ramsey, and the looming presence of five-time All Pro DT Aaron Donald, who would enjoy welcoming a rookie QB to the NFL by hugging him tightly several times.

SF 49ers at Seattle Seahawks, 4:25 p.m., Fox
Pick: Seahawks
After daring teams to beat them in its first five games, Seattle finally found a jam it couldn’t wriggle its way out of in an OT loss to AZ. In that game, the Seahawks (5-1) allowed 519 yds, stacking up a whopping 2,875 for the season, which is an NFL record through six games, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

That stat isn’t everything, but Seattle is also 23rd in points allowed per game, 24th in net yds allowed per passing attempt, 31st in passing yds allowed and 30th in first downs allowed. This is not a blip: Seattle is bad defensively.

The question is if 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo can exploit that awful Seahawks pass defense to the extent of keeping up with a highly motivated Russell Wilson. The Niners are missing the explosive WR Raheem Mostert and their best RB Deebo Samuels. And they are so banged up on defense that if DC Saleh wasn’t already bald, he’d be losing hair by the handfuls. They started Week 7 with 19 players on injury report and ended their fourth win by adding two more for a league-leading 21 players on IR.

The NFC West is the toughest division in the NFL. All four teams are now over .500. Niners HC Shanahan and his staff have performed magic with very few props, but a killer November schedule and that miles-long IR is stacking the odds against them. Their only saving grace is Seattle’s CB Shaquill Griffin (concussion) and safety Jamal Adams (groin/illness) are also out for Wk 8.

Tennessee Titans at Cincinnati Bengals, 1 p.m., CBS
Pick: Titans
This is expected to be the highest scoring game of the week. The Titans (5-1) have an electric offense led by Ryan Tannehill and Derrick Henry. The Bengals (1-5-1) have been loving life with QB Joe Burrow, regardless of their poor record so far.

This game could easily have the look of a Pro Bowl, with defenders lazily jogging in the background of offensive highlight videos. But while Burrow will likely win games like this at some point, it’s hard to believe he can overcome Tannehill and Henry at this stage of his career.
 
NFL Week 8 Predictions: Our Picks Part 2 of 2
NY Times by Benjamin Hoffman Oct. 29, 2020 (edited by lethe200)

Sunday’s Other Games

NE Patriots at Buffalo Bills, 1 p.m., CBS

Pick: Bills
Early in the season these teams looked like two of the NFL’s best. Since then, the Bills’ (5-2) offensive struggles joined their defensive issues. The Patriots (2-4) have outdone that by simply being awful in their 3-game losing streak. A case could be made that one of these teams will leave Sunday’s game with some momentum, but Buffalo managed to attract even more doubters when it “only” beat the Jets, 18-10, last week, without scoring a single TD.

TV commentator Jeff Garcia made the fatuous statement that Cam Newton’s postgame outfits were the cause of the Pats’ problems, rather than any legitimate reasons like, say, the team’s defense, which has been flailing ineffectively against the run and the pass.

LA Chargers at Denver Broncos, 4:05 p.m., CBS
Pick: Chargers
Justin Herbert of the Chargers (2-4) had been lighting up the record books and fans despite losing close games. He finally got an easy win over Jacksonville last week. The stakes aren’t high against the Broncos (2-4), but winnable games against lesser teams are good practice for a rookie QB.

This game comes with the added complication of being in Denver’s thin air, but with Chargers DE Melvin Ingram expected to return on defense, and WR Keenan Allen looking fully healthy on offense, Herbert should get his first winning streak.

Minnesota Vikings at GBay Packers, 1 p.m., Fox
Pick: Packers
The Vikings (1-5) aren’t rebuilding. This off-season they jettisoned most of the recognizable names on their defense, and traded away one of their best offensive players for draft picks, but this is not a rebuilding effort. They have been very clear about this. If you think they are rebuilding, you are wrong.

When last seen, Minnesota’s not-rebuilding defense, which features multiple rookies in its secondary, was humiliated by previously-winless Atlanta. Now that same group of players gets to try its hand at stopping Aaron Rodgers and the Packers (5-1) in GBay. Expect a Packers victory, probably by as many points as GBay wants, but the likelihood is that Kirk Cousins picks up a few garbage time TDs.

Indianapolis Colts at Detroit Lions, 1 p.m., CBS
Pick: Colts
Through his first five games in Indianapolis, the knock on Philip Rivers was that he struggled mightily when the Colts (4-2) fell behind. Then in Week 6, he fell behind by 21 points before catching fire and throwing for three TDs, putting up 371 yds, 31 points and tying for the largest regular season comeback in franchise history - against Cincinnati’s truly atrocious defense.

The Lions (3-3) present an interesting challenge. On a three-game win streak, Detroit has benefited from a soft part of the schedule, but has been executing far better than before. Their win over AZ in Week 3 shows their success can’t be entirely dismissed.

Colts linebacker Darius Leonard may be back from a groin injury this week, which dramatically improves the team’s defense. But Indianapolis will be favored even if he needs another week.

Jets at KC Chiefs, 1 p.m., CBS
Pick: Chiefs
In 1996 the Jets suffered an 8-game losing streak. They won a game versus the Cardinals, then lost their final 7 games to boot. Playing on the road against the formidable Chiefs (6-1) seems to guarantee the 2020 Jets will match that 0-8 start.

KC has developed a bad habit of playing down to the level of their opponent, but no one can expect the reigning Super Bowl champ will sink to the level of these Jets.

LVegas Raiders at Cleveland Browns, 1 p.m., Fox
Pick: Browns
If you like to see QBs chuck the ball down the field with impunity, this is the game for you. The Raiders (3-3) and Browns (5-2) have two of the 10 worst pass defenses in the NFL, a stat borne out by both teams allowing opponents more than 30 points a game.

But Cleveland defends the run better than LVegas does, and also runs the ball better. It makes the Browns a narrow favorite in what is likely to be a shootout.

New Orleans Saints at Chicago Bears, 4:25 p.m., Fox
Pick: Saints
The Bears (5-2) have a great defense, but a lousy offense with possible locker room issues between QB Nick Foles and HC Matt Nagy on playcalling. The Saints (4-2) are fighting the born-again Bucs for first place in the NFC South so every game counts. The Saints have won five straight against Chicago – the Bears haven't beaten them since 2008. They're not likely to start now, as Allen Robinson, Cody Whitehair, Cordarrelle Patterson and Khalil Mack are all dealing with various ailments.

Dallas Cowboys at Philadelphia Eagles, 8:20 p.m., NBC
Pick: Eagles
The Cowboys and Eagles have a lot in common. They both play in the NFC East. Neither of them is very good. Both teams are riddled with injuries. And now, they both could have FCS quarterbacks leading their offenses. Oh yeah - they both have only two wins apiece halfway through the season but can still win their division with a win on Sunday night. Isn't the NFC East just so fun!?

This Dallas-Philly matchup probably doesn’t deserve its prime time spot. Both teams would be write-offs in any other division. Carson Wentz is having the worst statistical season of his career: 30th in completion rate (58 percent), 28th in passer rating (74.3), and last in both interceptions (10) and sacks taken (28). But Wentz looked a lot better last week in a win, and his receivers are getting healthy.

Dallas is stuck with Ben (who?) DiNucci filling in for a concussed Andy Dalton. It leads the NFL where a team shouldn’t: gives up the most points per game (34.7); forced the least # of turnovers (3); allowed the most rushing yds (1,248) and ranks 30th in TDs allowed (11).

Monday’s Matchup
TBay Buccaneers at Giants, 8:15 p.m., ESPN

Pick: Buccaneers
Brady and Gronk are proving a magic combo once again. Although the Giants played their last four opponents fairly tight and TBay is down a key player on offense, it’s hard to see how the Giants and Daniel Jones could pull off a win even at home.
 
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Lethe200 gives us game of the week
Steelers vs Ravens-get the bandages, ambulances ready for this head-knocker

Raiders vs Cleveland-both trying to become a winning team, both still not quite there

Jets at KC-a laugher

Saints vs Bears-Bears are boring, uniforms are boring, offense is boring-since the 80's ,but
defense will hand you your head. Bears to beat a old, tired Saint team 😖
 
Re KC vs Jets, Week 8, Chiefs won 35-9:
The Chiefs showed no mercy. Mahomes passed for 5 TDs. In 8 games, he now has a 5-passing TD game and TWO 6-TD passing games.

The Jets have a total of 4 TDs in 2020, as a team.

I think we're all surprised Adam Gase still has the job as HC......
 
Watched Steelers and Raven thump each other around.
Jackson's two int and Raven's fumble killed them
A good rock'um-sock'um ball game.

Steller's have an off week next; well not really-they get to play Cowboys
which is the same as an off week.

Looks like Miami is for real

Seattle and SF are playing right now.
We won't see it, NBC demands that we watch Cowboys and Eagles 😁

Lethe200 wants to move Jets to NFC-East conference. The owners said 'no way,' the Jets would
win the division.
 
Crowd Noise
I have wondered about this all season.
Why can't we watch a game without the pumped in crowd noise?
The crowd noise often makes the announcers commentary difficult to hear.

Also, i don't need to know the players personal problems, nor the 'silly,' 'He had small pox when he was twelve.'
We have to have a commentator, which gives us the play-by-play, a color announcer which often tells us information we don't need to know.
'Harold has had his problems with drugs, domestic violence, his coaches, his fellow players, he appears confused...'
I don't mind the "fake" crowd noise but agree with you regarding all of the personal stuff that we don't need to hear. Things related to the game, a players trades, health issues from injuries, etc., they makes sense but the rest of it is just "noise".
 
Biggest upset of Week 8: the Vikes upset the Pack:

Dalvin Cook's 4 TDs make history as Vikings upset Packers
ESPN Nov 1, 2020 (edited by lethe200)

In his first game back since suffering an adductor strain in Seattle three weeks ago, Vikings running back Dalvin Cook made history in Minnesota's 28-22 upset win over the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.

Cook became the first player to score a touchdown on each of his team's first four possessions of a game since the NFL-AFL merger in 1970, according to Elias Sports Bureau research.

Cook's monster day in Green Bay puts him in elite company. He is the third player in franchise history to record four TDs in a game, a feat first achieved by Chuck Foreman in 1975 and then by Ahmad Rashad four years later. He joined Barry Sanders, Walter Payton and Adrian Peterson as the only players in NFL history with multiple games with at least 150 rushing yards against the Packers in their careers.

He is also the first player ever to surpass 200 yards from scrimmage and score four TDs against the Packers at Lambeau Field. Of Minnesota's 324 net yards of offense, Cook accounted for 163 yards on 30 carries and caught two passes for 63 yards, including his career-long 50-yard catch on a screen pass that resulted in his fourth and final touchdown.

Cook's day impacted the load Cousins had to carry. The Vikings QB attempted only 14 passes Sunday and averaged 1.79 air yards, the second fewest by any player with 10-plus attempts over the past 15 seasons, according to ESPN Stats & Information research. Cousins' longest pass of the game was 8 air yards.

Sunday marked the first win of Cook's career at Lambeau Field. The Vikings are now 2-5 after starting out the season with three straight losses.
 
What We Learned From Week 8 of the NFL Season Pt 1 of 2
NYTimes by Benjamin Hoffman Nov. 1, 2020 (edited by lethe200)

The Vikings may be rebuilding, but they’re all set at RB. Minnesota has taken its share of abuse during a rough season. But regardless of the team’s defensive woes, no team with a RB as good as Dalvin Cook is without hope. In a 28-22 upset victory at GBay. Cook ran for 163 yds, picked up another 63 through the air and scored four TDs. Minnesota’s defense came out of nowhere to fluster Aaron Rodgers down the stretch, and while the Vikings’ record improved to only 2-5, the team earned some NFC North bragging rights.

The Steelers are for real. Despite being the last undefeated team in the NFL, the Steelers had faced some lingering questions about how good they really were. Those questions will probably fade after the Steelers held on for a thrilling 28-24 win on the road in Baltimore. The Steelers conceded 265 yds rushing to the Ravens, but forced Lamar Jackson into several mistakes. Jackson, the reigning NFL most valuable player, was intercepted twice and lost two fumbles. Baltimore still had a chance to win in the final seconds, getting all the way to Pittsburgh’s 23-yard line while trailing by 4 points, but Jackson’s final pass fell incomplete as time expired.

The Steelers have now matched their 1978 squad for the best start in franchise history, and the team would undoubtedly like it noted that it won the Super Bowl that season.

Russell Wilson is building his MVP case. The Seahawks QB has never received a single vote for the Most Valuable Player Award, but he is up to 26 TD passes in just seven games - only one fewer than Peyton Manning had in 2008 when he was named MVP. The total also matches or exceeds 10 single-season outputs of other QBs who have been named MVP since the 1970AFL-NFL merger. Wilson had four TDs in Sunday’s 37-27 win over SF, which kept him comfortably ahead of Patrick Mahomes, who threw for five in a blowout win over the Jets to improve to 21 for the season.

Joe Burrow is slippery. He’d had good statistics in several games this season, but Burrow showed just how great he could be in the Bengals’ 31-20 win over the favored Titans. He outplayed Ryan Tannehill and put up enough points that a 112-yard game from Tennessee RB Derrick Henry didn’t matter. A pair of fourth-quarter TD passes were exactly what Cincinnati needed to secure its second win of the season, but Burrow will be on this week’s highlight reels for a meaningless third-down play in the third quarter (above) that went for just 7 yds. Under intense pressure, he spun his way through two would-be sacks and escaped to get positive yardage on a play that looked as if it would lose as many as 10. Cincinnati punted on the next down, but the play will stay in the heads of opposing pass-rushers.

Darius Leonard has great timing. The superstar linebacker for the Colts had been out with a groin injury since Week 4, but returned just in time. Indianapolis was clinging to a 20-14 lead in the fourth quarter and Detroit had reached the Colts’ 25-yard line. Leonard then burst into the backfield, knocking the ball out of Matthew Stafford’s hands for a fumble that was recovered by the Colts’ Justin Houston. The stomach punch to the Lions’ morale was extreme and the Colts were able to dominate the rest of the way in a 41-21 win that improved the team’s record to 5-2.

Sunday’s Top Performers

Top Passer: Patrick Mahomes

The performance should, perhaps, be graded on a curve as it came against the lowly Jets, but Mahomes seemed to have more fun than he has at any point this season. He topped 400 yds passing for the fourth time in his career and added a new trick to his formidable repertoire by going with an underhanded toss to Travis Kelce for one of his five TD passes. Mahomes played so well that he watched his team’s final possession from the sideline, letting backup Chad Henne get some work in garbage time.

Top Runner: Dalvin Cook
Getting his team a win over rival GBay trumps any individual accomplishments, but Cook carved his name into the Minnesota record books by joining Chuck Foreman and Ahmad Rashad as the only Vikings players to score four TDs in a single game. He was also the first player in NFL history to score TDs on each of his team’s first four possessions.

Top Receiver: DK Metcalf
With every performance like this it becomes harder and harder to believe that Metcalf lasted 64 picks into the 2019 draft before Seattle called his name. Metcalf stands 6 feet 4 inches, weighs 230 pounds and runs a 4.33 40-yard dash, making him the type of receiver you would create in a game of “Madden,” rather than one you’d expect to encounter in real life. Metcalf has made it his mission to outplay each of the eight WRs taken before him last year, but Russell Wilson thinks Metcalf can set his sights quite a bit higher. “I don’t think there is anybody better in terms of what he can do and how he’s done it,” Wilson said after Sunday’s win. “And he’s only in his second year.”
 
What We Learned From Week 8 of the NFL Season Pt 2 of 2
NYTimes by Benjamin Hoffman Nov. 1, 2020 (edited by lethe200)

One* Sentence About Sunday’s Games *Except when it takes more.
Steelers 28, Ravens 24. Baltimore was at home, and was up by 10 at halftime, only to fall apart in the second half. Pittsburgh now has a two-game lead over the Ravens in the ultracompetitive AFC North. Pittsburgh’s rookie WR Chase Claypool has seven TDs over his last three games, and his 8-yard score on Sunday put the Steelers ahead to stay in Q4.

Bengals 31, Titans 20. Cincinnati was again without RB Joe Mixon, but Giovani Bernard did his part in the upset with 78 yds from scrimmage and two TDs. The Bengals have a way to go before anyone will be scared of them, but Coach Zac Taylor got his first career win over a team with a winning record and the Bengals matched their 2019 win total (two).

Vikings 28, Packers 22. Minnesota gave Aaron Rodgers the ball down by 6 with 47 seconds remaining at Lambeau Field. All too many times in Rodgers’s career a setup like that meant GBay was about to storm to victory. This time, the Vikings’ beleaguered defense held strong, allowing a few completions before getting a devastating strip-sack from D.J. Wonnum that sent the ball flying and allowed the clock to run out.

Broncos 31, Chargers 30. Justin Herbert seemed well on his way to his first career winning streak by having his team leading by 24-10 entering the fourth quarter. Denver’s Drew Lock spent three quarters running away from Melvin Ingram and the Chargers defense, but then he found a groove in the fourth. LA managed only two field goals in the final 15 minutes, while Denver’s Drew Lock responded with three TD passes, including a 1-yarder to K.J. Hamler as time expired. The score - along with the extra point - gave the Broncos a crucial win at home.

Seahawks 37, 49ers 27. It wouldn’t be Sunday if the 49ers didn’t lose a RB to injury. They kept that bad luck going by having Tevin Coleman - who was playing in his first game since Week 2 - ruled out when he hurt his knee after some modestly successful yardage. If there was an award for the Most Valuable Players Lost During A Season, the 2020 Niners would win by unanimous count. At the start of the game their IR count went down to 20 with Coleman’s return, only to go even higher by the end with both QB Jimmy Garoppolo and TE George Kittle lost again onto IR for indefinite periods.

Colts 41, Lions 21. Jordan Wilkins picked up the bulk of the Colts’ yardage on the ground, but his fellow RB Nyheim Hines stole the show with a pair of receiving TDs, each of which he celebrated with gymnastlike floor routines in the end zone.

Chiefs 35, Jets 9. The Jets fell to 0-8 for just the second time in franchise history. A “Monday Night Football” matchup against the reeling Patriots is theoretically the team’s best bet for a win for this year’s Jets as well, although even that is far from a given.

Dolphins 28, Rams 17. Miami didn’t get big offensive yardage the way it did with Ryan Fitzpatrick under center, but the team increased its winning streak to three games, outscoring opponents by 95-34 in that stretch. Tua Tagovailoa didn’t win as much as Jared Goff lost. On the second play of his first start, Tagovailoa of the Dolphins was welcomed to the NFL by the Rams’ Aaron Donald, who ripped the ball out for a strip-sack turnover. LA capitalized with a TD on the ensuing drive, but then Goff self-destructed. He threw two interceptions and lost two fumbles, which allowed the Dolphins to reel off 28 consecutive points in a 28-17 victory.

As the wheels fell off for LA, Miami rose up as a team. The Dolphins scored on a 78-yard fumble recovery and an 88-yard punt return in addition to a pair of TDs from the team’s offense. Tagovailoa completed just 12 of 22 passes for 93 yds, but his career record is 1-0 just the same.

Bills 24, Patriots 21. Josh Allen was limited once again, and Buffalo barely held off NE despite the Patriots missing several key players. The Bills have a solid lead in the AFC East, but it’s worth noting that their point differential for the season is -1, while the second-place Dolphins are +58.

Saints 26, Bears 23. Wil Lutz of the Saints kicked an OT game-inning 35-yard field goal in overtime to help New Orleans improve to 5-2. Saints RB Alvin Kamara leads the team in receptions (55), receiving yards (556), rushes (87) and rushing yards (431). He is on pace to amass 2,256 yards from scrimmage, which would rank 15th all-time in NFL history, and would be an absolutely incredible feat considering that HC Sean Payton doesn’t actually like to run the ball much. Week 9, when the Saints travel to Tampa to face the Bucs in a crucial contest that could decide the NFC South, is a chance to see two all-time greats in Brady and Brees.

Raiders 16, Browns 6. A nasty, rainy, freezing day in Cleveland kept the two high-scoring offenses remarkably quiet. Las Vegas looked far more comfortable grinding things out than Cleveland did, getting 128 yds on the ground from RB Josh Jacobs on a day when neither team’s QB threw for even 125 yds. Jacobs doesn’t get much national notice, but his first year (although cut short by injury) was good enough to put him in contention as one of the top two candidates for 2019 Rookie of the Year before a foot injury sidelined him for the final 3 games of the season. He’s an explosive runner with an excellent carry average of 5 yds/carry, but Gruden’s schemes still haven’t worked Jacobs in as a receiver yet. If they ever do it, it would take the pass rush pressure off Raiders QB Derek Carr, who isn’t immobile but prefers to be a classic dropback QB, with one of the strongest and most accurate arms in the NFL.

Eagles 23, Cowboys 9. There was nothing exciting or entertaining about this game that featured six combined turnovers including an intentional safety. Philadelphia won mostly by default - and in doing so took a fairly large lead in the NFC East with a mediocre 3-4-1 record.
 
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If you get a chance to watch a Seahawks game on TV, keep an eye on wide receiver DK Metcalf. The guy is a MONSTER. He makes everyone in the secondary - and I mean every team I've seen Seattle play against - look like high schoolers trying to catch a superhero.

Think Marshawn Lynch - but taller and with blazing speed. I'm a Niners fan (as well as Raiders, Chiefs, and Saints), but Metcalf is absolutely Hall of Fame potential if he stays healthy. Hard to believe he got passed over 64x before getting drafted in 2019!
 
Metcalf, another gaff by the all 🤭 knowing General Managers and scouts in the NFL. (Tom Brady # 240 draft choice).
The NFC West and the -AFC North is where the good games are: Steelers and Ravens knocked heads last Sunday.,
Big Ben can still run a team like Russel in Seattle.
 
NFL Week 9 Predictions Pt 1 of 2
NY Times by Benjamin Hoffman Nov. 5, 2020 (edited by Lethe2000)

After several upsets last week, the NFL was left with a few top-tier contenders (Pittsburgh, KC, TBay, Seattle) and a wide middle zone of teams that can surprise you on any given week. And, of course, the Giants and the Jets are bringing up the rear.

Thursday’s Matchup: Packers 34, 49ers 17
The Niners secondary is made up of players so new, even the analysts have no idea who they are. They didn’t stand a chance against the Packers (6-2). Aaron Rodgers threw for 305 yards and four touchdowns, getting most of that production from Davante Adams (10 catches for 173 yards and a touchdown) and Marquez Valdes-Scantling (two catches for 53 yards and two touchdowns). Green Bay won easily, 34-17.

For the next few weeks Niners QB Nick Mullens will show if he can run Shanahan’s complex offense, which is a lot less complex these days. Without their fearsome defense and a damaged offensive line, the Niners are stuck firmly at the bottom of the NFC West.

The 49ers (4-5) have barely kept their collective head above water as injuries mounted, but that black hole just keeps getting bigger. QB Jimmy Garoppolo and TE George Kittle went out for the season, back-up RB Tevin Coleman is injured again, as is star WR Deebo Samuel. The team is missing numerous defensive starters.

SF could start its own hospital. It has a whopping injury list of 22 or 23 players, depending on how you’re counting – and 16 of those are starters. After Game 9 it was reported a fifth Niner has suffered a high ankle sprain, cornerback K’Wuan Williams. Having to shut down their practice facility for a full virus cleaning the day before meeting the Packers didn’t help, either.

Sunday’s Best Games

Baltimore Ravens at Indianapolis Colts, 1 p.m., CBS

Pick: Ravens
The Colts (5-2) should be an excellent test of the Ravens’ resolve. Indianapolis has been nearly as effective as Baltimore on offense and has a defense that is equally adept at defending the pass and the run. For all intents and purposes, this game is something of a tossup, which is less of an indictment of Baltimore than it is an endorsement of Indianapolis. The Ravens could easily bounce back, but this matchup is close enough to lean toward the home underdog.

Seattle Seahawks at Buffalo Bills, 1 p.m., Fox
Pick: Seahawks
Russell Wilson reminded everyone why he is the front-runner for the league’s Most Valuable Player Award in last week’s win over SF, but the defensive shortcomings of the Seahawks (6-1) were apparent even in that 10-point victory. It is with that imbalance between its offense and defense that Seattle travels to face the Bills (6-2). With no fans in attendance, and an expected game time temperature of 71 degrees, it is about as neutral a setting as the Seahawks could hope for.

That being said, Buffalo is not nearly as bad offensively as it looked in the last few weeks, and Seattle may have its hands full unless safety Jamal Adams is fully recovered from his groin injury.

Miami Dolphins at Arizona Cardinals, 4:25 p.m., CBS
Pick: Cardinals
There are so many reasons to watch this game. The Cardinals (5-2) have been a delight in Year 2 of the Kliff Kingsbury/Kyler Murray era, upsetting Seattle in OT two weeks ago. And the Dolphins (4-3) are the surprise of the season, routing the 49ers and the Rams in recent weeks.

The open question for Miami’s offense is if it can get more out of the rookie QB Tua Tagovailoa. Journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick was undoubtedly antsy watching his replacement pass for only 93 yds last week. Arizona must figure out its running game if Kenyan Drake is out or limited by an ankle injury. But Arizona is further along in its development and playing at home, making them favored.

New Orleans Saints at TBay Buccaneers, 8:20 p.m., NBC
Pick: Buccaneers
Antonio Brown is expected to play for the Buccaneers (6-2) after serving an eight-game suspension from the NFL for off-field misconduct. Having played only one game in the past 23 months, how much he is involved in TBay’s offense may come down to the health of Chris Godwin, who is hoping to return from a broken finger. With Mike Evans, Rob Gronkowski and Godwin on the field, there wouldn’t be many targets left for Brown, but if Godwin sits, QB Tom Brady may try to lean on the receiver whom he campaigned for his team to sign.

TBay has an ungenerous defense, and plenty of offensive upside. But it is worth wondering if the team should be favored by so much against the Saints (5-2) when it managed only a 2-point win against the Giants on Monday.
 
NFL Week 9 Predictions Pt 2 of 2
NY Times by Benjamin Hoffman Nov. 5, 2020 (edited by Lethe2000)

Sunday’s Other Games
Pittsburgh Steelers at Dallas Cowboys, 4:25 p.m., CBS

Pick: Steelers

In QB Ben DiNucci’s first career start, the Cowboys (2-6) managed 9 points against Philadelphia. This week, Dallas faces a far more formidable Steelers (7-0) defense, making it reasonable to wonder just how much uglier things can get, as either Garrett Gilbert or Cooper Rush will start in place of DiNucci.

The Steelers have now matched the longest unbeaten streak to start a season in franchise history. But if there is any reason to be skeptical of a rout, it is that Pittsburgh has won only one game by more than 10 points this season. A moral victory for the Cowboys would be losing by “only” 9 or 10, but if the team’s fourth and fifth options at QB don’t have a different gear from what DiNucci showed last week, even that seems far-fetched. It doesn’t help that Dallas’ Ezekiel Elliott is hobbled with a strained hamstring. He may play on Sunday, but he hasn’t been very effective this year even when healthy.

Carolina Panthers at KC Chiefs, 1 p.m., Fox
Pick: Chiefs
The Chiefs (7-1) learned a lesson from their monumental letdown against LVegas in Week 5. They followed that loss with a convincing road win against the Bills and have won consecutive blowouts, beating the Broncos and the Jets by a combined score of 78-25. That dominance has forced Patrick Mahomes into the MVP debate with Seattle’s Russell Wilson. KC is a legitimate threat to successfully defend last year’s Super Bowl win.

The Panthers (3-5) are not so much a pushover as they are overmatched, even if RB Christian McCaffrey is making his much anticipated return from injury. The only thing that could slow KC is the team’s disinterest, but piling on against the Jets last week seemed to indicate the Chiefs aren’t taking games off anymore.

LVegas Raiders at LA Chargers, 4:05 p.m., Fox
Pick: Chargers
The Raiders (4-3) escaped with a win on a chilly Sunday in Cleveland, grinding out the game on the ground with their first 200-yard rushing game of the season. A trip to LA to face the Chargers (2-5) should let LVegas return to its aerial attack. This could be a shootout, with Derek Carr and Justin Herbert matching strong throwing arms. LAC has the ability to run up a huge lead, but the team’s propensity for squandering such leads has officially become troubling, so the bettors’ point spread is narrow.

Chicago Bears at Tennessee Titans, 1 p.m., Fox
Pick: Titans
If you were to make a team out of Tennessee’s offense and Chicago’s defense, you’d have a Super Bowl contender. Instead you have two flawed teams with records that may not reflect their quality. The Titans (5-2) defensive woes limit their ability to compete against top teams, but the Chicago (5-3) offense is so bad people are speculating about Coach Matt Nagy’s job security.

Denver Broncos at Atlanta Falcons, 1 p.m., CBS
Pick: Falcons
Is it time to be excited about the Broncos (3-4)? The defense has given up a fair amount of points this season, but the underlying statistics suggest the team is solid on that side of the ball. Meanwhile, the offense suddenly woke up in the fourth quarter of last week’s come-from-behind win over the Chargers, giving a glimpse of what QB Drew Lock can do in ideal circumstances.

Atlanta’s secondary has allowed 311.4 yds a game through the air, and Football Outsiders ranks the team (2-6) as the fourth-worst pass defense in the NFL. The team is 0-4 at home this season. Without WR Calvin Ridley until Week 11, the Falcons will probably stay winless at home.

Houston Texans at Jacksonville Jaguars, 1 p.m., CBS
Pick: Texans
With QB Gardner Minshew sitting out with a thumb injury, the Jaguars (1-6) will turn to Jake Luton, a sixth-rounder out of Oregon State, who will be the fifth rookie QB to start a game this season. Luton is enormous (6-foot-6, 224 pounds), was incredibly efficient on deep throws for the Beavers last season, and despite a penchant for airing it out, he threw just three interceptions. If anything, the knock on Luton was that he was boring, which will be quite a change from Minshew, who was everything but that.

The Texans (1-6) beat Jacksonville easily in Week 5, and should be expected to win again. But Luton is enough of a wild card that it’s worth being mildly skeptical of the large point spread.

Detroit Lions at Minnesota Vikings, 1 p.m., CBS
Pick: Vikings
It has been a season of almost constant disappointment for the Vikings (2-5), but Dalvin Cook having one of the best individual games in franchise history in an upset of the Packers in GBay makes up for a lot. Now, Minnesota will look to capitalize on that momentum at home against the Lions (3-4), who aren’t quite a pushover but also aren’t much of a threat.

Minnesota is nowhere near a wild-card spot, but it clearly has no intention of packing it in. And while people may not love QB Kirk Cousins, there is no question that opposing teams need to respect the Vikings’ offense.

Giants at Washington Football Team, 1 p.m., Fox
Pick: Footballers
These once-proud franchises are a combined 0-9 when facing teams outside the NFC East this season. Neither team is averaging even 20 points a game and both are giving up more than 23 a game. They might at least be entertaining against each other, but that wasn’t the case a few weeks ago when the Giants (1-7) eked out their lone win of the season against the Footballers (2-5).

Daniel Jones of the Giants is by far the most exciting player on either team, and he’s likely to have a highlight run or throw that will make you wonder if he has what it takes to be a star. Unfortunately for the Giants, he’s also likely to commit one or more turnovers and play a large part in his team’s failure.

Monday’s Matchup
NE Patriots at Jets, 8:15 p.m., ESPN

Pick: Patriots
The Jets (0-8) have matched the longest winless start in franchise history, and the Patriots (2-5) have matched their worst seven-game start since 2000. Something has to give, and while both teams have been disappointing, the Jets have truly earned their spot at the bottom of the NFL The team is 32nd in points scored and 28th in points allowed.

This may be one of the Jets’ best chances for a win this season. They are playing at home against an injury-ravaged team that has lost four straight. But it is hard to imagine the Jets scoring enough to beat anyone. QB Sam Darnold aggravated his shoulder injury last week. RB Frank Gore is a study in perseverance, but the Jets should start exploring other options for the future.

NE has been bad enough that a spread of 7 points seems outlandish, but opponents thus far have seemed to enjoy beating up on the Jets. If Cam Newton wants to prove a point about his health, it is hard to see Gang Green stopping him.
 


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