hollydolly
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it's been 18 here in our news all the time
22 killed in mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine
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hollydolly
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gunman Robert Card targeted several deaf friends at a cornhole club for the hard of hearing in a possible revenge attack, it has emerged today.
The previously sectioned Army reserve firearms instructor is still at large after bursting into a bowling alley and nearby bar in Lewiston with an AR-15-style rifle on Wednesday night, killing at least 18 people and injuring 13 more.
In the months before the shooting, Card had been prescribed a hearing aid, which he claimed allowed him to hear people criticizing him at Schemengee's Bar where he carried out his second shooting.
The 40-year-old, from Bowdon, Maine, first opened fire at the Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley just before 7pm, killing seven. The gunman then entered Schemengees Bar & Grille, where he killed eight more. Three others died in hospital.
At the time of the horrific attack, the bar was hosting a cornhole tournament for the 'tight-knit' deaf community, which Card actively competed in. The group were playing as they usually do every Wednesday night.
The local community is reeling after it was confirmed that Bryan MacFarlane, Steve Vozzella, Bill Brackett and Joshua Seal were among the deaf people killed at Schemengees.
In an interview with The Daily Beast, Card's sister-in-law said that the suspect had been claiming that through the hearing aids he could hear people 'bashing' him. She added that Card had been struggling with his mental health throughout the past year.
Deaf community member Bryan MacFarlane, 40, was shot dead by Card in Schemengees
Deaf community activist Joshua Seal, pictured alongside his wife Elisabeth, was also killed
Deaf Steve Vozzella
Bill Bracket was at a deaf cornhole game
Did Maine gunman target deaf friends?
The previously sectioned Army reserve firearms instructor is still at large after bursting into a bowling alley and nearby bar in Lewiston with an AR-15-style rifle on Wednesday night, killing at least 18 people and injuring 13 more.
In the months before the shooting, Card had been prescribed a hearing aid, which he claimed allowed him to hear people criticizing him at Schemengee's Bar where he carried out his second shooting.
The 40-year-old, from Bowdon, Maine, first opened fire at the Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley just before 7pm, killing seven. The gunman then entered Schemengees Bar & Grille, where he killed eight more. Three others died in hospital.
At the time of the horrific attack, the bar was hosting a cornhole tournament for the 'tight-knit' deaf community, which Card actively competed in. The group were playing as they usually do every Wednesday night.
The local community is reeling after it was confirmed that Bryan MacFarlane, Steve Vozzella, Bill Brackett and Joshua Seal were among the deaf people killed at Schemengees.
In an interview with The Daily Beast, Card's sister-in-law said that the suspect had been claiming that through the hearing aids he could hear people 'bashing' him. She added that Card had been struggling with his mental health throughout the past year.
Deaf community activist Joshua Seal, pictured alongside his wife Elisabeth, was also killed
Deaf Steve Vozzella
Bill Bracket was at a deaf cornhole game
Did Maine gunman target deaf friends?
These pictures are so sad, they all look like such nice people and they were just out on a beautiful fall evening having wholesome fun.
Card is old to be coming down with schizophrenia, it's onset in men is most often college age, but hearing voices and paranoia are prime symptoms so I imagine that's what happened to him. Maybe it was triggered by a head injury.
Card is old to be coming down with schizophrenia, it's onset in men is most often college age, but hearing voices and paranoia are prime symptoms so I imagine that's what happened to him. Maybe it was triggered by a head injury.
VaughanJB
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I await many other threads being closed then. If we can't even state "right wing" or "left wing", then quite a few discussions in the "current news and hot topics" forum are either going to have be closed, or they'll dance around the root of many a problem because people are afraid to state simple facts.
My comment was a statement of FACT. What other facts in this case are we not meant to mention?
On second thought - don't answer that, it'll upset the natives.
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I am sorry for those poor people but I am stuck on the two security video stills they keep showing. One looks like a young guy with a full head of hair and the rest are of an older guy with thinning hair. I am OCD about details like that. Am I the only one who noticed it? Am I nuts or what?
hollydolly
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the one with hair was when he was shooting up the place... the ones with thinning hair was taken from his facebook
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I think that's the theory, but does it really hold water? The gun laws in the US are lax as it is, so if someone doesn't have a gun, it's safe to say it's because they don't want one. Then you have to trust that any stranger with a gun could shoot straight and be able to pick off the gunman without injuring others (and if he did injure others, would he/she be responsible legally speaking?)
Personally, I see this kind of thinking as simple escalation. The solution to people having guns is for more people to have guns. That seems crazy to my European head (as I've stated before, I know this is a very touchy topic for Americans). I do wonder what it says about a country and society when people think it would be reasonable for adults teaching 5 year olds to have a gun on them, for 10 year olds to walk through metal detectors in order to get an education, etc. It seems to me it's a very restrictive kind of freedom.
This guy was, at one time, a normal every day person, as far as I can work out. Something has gone very very wrong. If the answer is more guns, then it's a tacit acceptance that yep - these things will continue to happen, and society must accept others will be randomly killed. I don't believe knowing others might have a gun - because we know a lot of them already do - is going to be a deterrent for mass shootings. IMO YMMV.
I am a retired Pennsylvania State Policeman. I encourage people to carry a gun. Most gun owners that I know can shoot very well. A shotgun in this situation may have been best, but I could have ended it in a matter of seconds with my S&W 9mm or the Sig Sauer P227R.
If other people are going to carry a gun, you have little choice of what to do. Throwing stones at your target isn’t going to get the job done. I also sometimes will carry my .45 ACP pistol.
If other people are going to carry a gun, you have little choice of what to do. Throwing stones at your target isn’t going to get the job done. I also sometimes will carry my .45 ACP pistol.
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Yes, there are a lot of dead and wounded people from the Maine shooting, but they'll be easily forgotten when the next mass murderer strikes.
Who really thinks this will be the last large massacre of innocent people by a guy with a gun?
Who really thinks this will be the last large massacre of innocent people by a guy with a gun?
VaughanJB
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It won't be the last. I'm pretty sure everyone would agree with that. They've established themselves are part of the culture - a dark and nasty corner. Given how things are, you can't stop them. There is no idea I've read that is looking to stop them. I'm not even sure you could. It's all about how to minimize them, which in a world of automatic weapons is becoming increasingly difficult.
No doubt they will identify some failings in various processes once we get all the details. None of that will help the victims.
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I have said it before and I'll say it again ..... Banning politics is just ignorant. We live in a political world , a governed society . As such politics touches our every moment.
There is virtually no way to discuss current events / the world today, without discussing the politics attached to it.
Yeah I know ... I'll probably get kicked off again ......
CallMeKate
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Question... well, a call for clarification. Please don't answer with some pat or rote statement that doesn't mean much in the scheme of things. Are you making a statement that you think the right thing to do if someone comes into a store/business/school with an automatic weapon slaughtering people, you'd prefer someone calling law enforcement and waiting for them to arrive instead of someone with a carry permit stopping the shooter before there's more carnage? Because that's sure what it sounded like you were saying.
We KNOW there's a gun problem. We hate it. But it exists at the moment, so my question is trying to figure out the mindset of those who give unhelpful answers and complain about gun culture in America. It's here... we hate it. That does not stop the murderous idiots who do the shooting and I wonder who would make a calculated choice to sit there and be killed while waiting for LE to arrive. They could be on the next block and a dozen more could die!
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What about the thrill of killing the bad guy? Our modern culture accepts this action as necessary and most all of us are conditioned to accept killing others as a just response to an attacker. We accept violence in movies, games, jokes, and sports. Why not make it part of our everyday life too. Become like the "Smith's" ( and Wessons ) next door to be a real important part of the community. As it catches on, we will be able to blow people away for looking at us wrong. Then we will have a calm/peaceful society.
disclaimer : This was all sarcasm in case you thought I was being serious.
disclaimer : This was all sarcasm in case you thought I was being serious.
rgp
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If every Israeli that was killed on Oct 7 had a gun, and used it .... they might not be dead.
I will add that the Second Amendment is a part of the US Constitution. There is a process for changing it or removing it but the gun control groups do not use that process. Instead, they complain, demand laws that don't work AND collect large amounts of money that leaves your pocket and gains you very little, if anything.
What is ultimately done about the Second Amendment, if anything, will be decided by United States citizens through the process set up for amending the Constitution.
One more thing, I won't think any gun control activist is really serious until I see that Gun Free Zone sign on their lawn or door.
What is ultimately done about the Second Amendment, if anything, will be decided by United States citizens through the process set up for amending the Constitution.
One more thing, I won't think any gun control activist is really serious until I see that Gun Free Zone sign on their lawn or door.
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CallMeKate
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I've given my thoughts on other threads, but I will again. I personally think "politics" is being defined differently by different people. When I first became a member, I automatically thought (and still do) that the politics rule was about not getting into arguments about candidates, public officials, party affiliation, etc. I have never (and still don't) think that talking about things like gun control or abortion... or most current events would fall under the "politics" category. I may be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
Israel Eases Guns Restrictions Amidst Security Failures
In the wake of the Hamas terrorist organization's murderous attacks on Israel, the country's government is admitting—not for the first time—that even Israel's extensive security apparatus can't be everywhere to protect everyone. Under the pressure of bloody events, officials are again making it easier for civilians to acquire and carry firearms for self-defense.Israel eases guns restrictions amidst security failures
The Israeli Gun Control: Evaluating the Tragedy and Ban on Personal Security
The recent tragedy in Israel has sparked intense debates surrounding the Israeli government’s approach to gun control. As a staunch supporter of personal freedoms, I argue that the Israeli government’s strict gun control regulations may have inadvertently contributed to the recent tragic events. In this article, I explore the thesis that disarmament of citizens can have detrimental unintended consequences.The Israeli Gun Control: Evaluating the Tragedy and Ban on Personal Security - AFNN
Paco Dennis
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That's right. There would be twice as many worthless humans vanished forever. Then all the survivors on each side will plan on a bigger, much more effective ( killing a greater # of people ) next time. Who knows, maybe contract killing will become a middle class job. We need them desperately.
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