A one-legged dementia-hit care home resident died after being Tasered, Hit with a Baton and Pepper sprayed by police

Having worked with elderly patients for most of my life, a 93-year-old guy can cause a lot of harm to others. I suspect Burgess wasn't the grandfatherly, docile gentleman the pic denotes. Try a kicking, biting, head butting, punching, spitting, clawing, swearing. irate, screaming, delusional male with a knife, and bent on causing great bodily harm to anyone near him.
 

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the problem is that care homes are run these days by kids on minimum wage... they wouldn't have had the experience or the common sense to have dealt with this, this will be why the police were called.....if you read the story, you will see that this is a man who EVERYONE said couldn't be nicer.. not just ME .. and of course IF he has empty staring eyes.. he's got Dementia.. jeez... thank God you're not deciding who gets to live or die..
Because they are kids they don't have common sense. Because he is an old demented amputee he cant be dangerous. 'Ageism' and 'ableism' are obviously concepts yet to be known or understood in the U.K. Thank g** my ancestors fought in the American Revolution to get rid of the kind of nonsense you continue to espouse on this forum!
 
Having worked with elderly patients for most of my life, a 93-year-old guy can cause a lot of harm to others. I suspect Burgess wasn't the grandfatherly, docile gentleman the pic denotes. Try a kicking, biting, head butting, punching, spitting, clawing, swearing. irate, screaming, delusional male with a knife, and bent on causing great bodily harm to anyone near him.
You might be right, but one guy comes up behind him and grabs the arm with the knife and the other guy comes in from the front. Once they take the knife from him, what can he do?
 

Sch404, sounds like you are trying very hard to start a fight. Your argument has absolutely no merit, and the fact that an old man in a wheelchair was killed by cops is so horrific that it almost sounds like a sick joke.

If he had been holding a loaded gun, my opinion would be totally different. But really, a one-legged, wheelchair-bound, very elderly man armed with nothing but a knife? Come on, now, you're obviously trolling!
 
Sch404, sounds like you are trying very hard to start a fight. Your argument has absolutely no merit, and the fact that an old man in a wheelchair was killed by cops is so horrific that it almost sounds like a sick joke.

If he had been holding a loaded gun, my opinion would be totally different. But really, a one-legged, wheelchair-bound, very elderly man armed with nothing but a knife? Come on, now, you're obviously trolling!
Yeah, I can't figure out his attitude "straight out of the gate" either. Not the best way to introduce yourself to a forum.
 
Because they are kids they don't have common sense. Because he is an old demented amputee he cant be dangerous. 'Ageism' and 'ableism' are obviously concepts yet to be known or understood in the U.K. Thank g** my ancestors fought in the American Revolution to get rid of the kind of nonsense you continue to espouse on this forum!
Wow.
 
Having worked with elderly patients for most of my life, a 93-year-old guy can cause a lot of harm to others. I suspect Burgess wasn't the grandfatherly, docile gentleman the pic denotes. Try a kicking, biting, head butting, punching, spitting, clawing, swearing. irate, screaming, delusional male with a knife, and bent on causing great bodily harm to anyone near him.
You just keep a safe distance. Swearing and screaming doesn't hurt anyone.
 
Having worked with elderly patients for most of my life, a 93-year-old guy can cause a lot of harm to others. I suspect Burgess wasn't the grandfatherly, docile gentleman the pic denotes. Try a kicking, biting, head butting, punching, spitting, clawing, swearing. irate, screaming, delusional male with a knife, and bent on causing great bodily harm to anyone near him.
he's 93.. he couldn't kick many peole he's wheelchair bound with only one leg, easy for someone to stand behind his wheelchair and prevent it from moving , even if he as lashing out... and he has Dementia ... everyone..that is, EVERYONE who knows him says he's a very gentle guy.. a nice man.. not the kicking, spitting devil you are presuming he was.. so they're absolutely shocked that the Police attacked him as they did..
 
I'm surprised the home resorted to calling the police in the first place. So long as people kept out of his reach they were safe and with his wheelchair only able to roll on even ground that should have been fairly easy to do.

Shut and lock the room he's in and wait for the paranoid episode to pass.
Just put a few folded chairs around him on the floor and he is contained.
Great Idea.

My father went into an assisted living place when he was 86 and was kicked out after two weeks. He was arguing with another old man and said, "I'd like to get a gun and shoot you." ( Something he often said to me.)

He didn't own a gun and didn't have a car to go anywhere in, but that was enough. We had a hard time finding another place for him because the managers admitted they just didn't like to take men. I guess old women with dementia are less bother.
 
I am surprised the police were involved. And that leads me to think that he was out of control, and possibly the staff was unable to cope with him. Plus he was wielding a knife. He might have been a danger to the other patients. And I believe some are underestimating the combativeness, and strength of a demented elderly patient. I've been sent to the ER several times, and have been battered and beaten, and bit multiple times. Since none of us were present, we don't know what happened. I think before we lynch the cops for excessive force, it may have been justified. It is not uncommon for dementia patients to send staff to the hospital.
 
Because they are kids they don't have common sense. Because he is an old demented amputee he cant be dangerous. 'Ageism' and 'ableism' are obviously concepts yet to be known or understood in the U.K. Thank g** my ancestors fought in the American Revolution to get rid of the kind of nonsense you continue to espouse on this forum!
Thank god we don't like in your world.
 
Not defending anyone , not shaming anyone ..... But I did witness what an older man in a wheelchair wielding a pair of upholstery scissors could do. Blood everywhere. They finally subdued him, if i recall, someone grabbed his chair handles and pulled him over backwards. He hurt many people.
 
Having worked with elderly patients for most of my life, a 93-year-old guy can cause a lot of harm to others. I suspect Burgess wasn't the grandfatherly, docile gentleman the pic denotes. Try a kicking, biting, head butting, punching, spitting, clawing, swearing. irate, screaming, delusional male with a knife, and bent on causing great bodily harm to anyone near him.
I agree. Had he plunged that knife into someone else, especially another patient, there would have been you know what to pay. These people can still have strength, missing a leg or not. Add delusional dementia to that and who knows what was going on in that man's head.

Yet the outcome could have been better if they disarmed him in another way? I wonder about the vise grip he may have had on that knife.
 
I am surprised the police were involved. And that leads me to think that he was out of control, and possibly the staff was unable to cope with him. Plus he was wielding a knife. He might have been a danger to the other patients. And I believe some are underestimating the combativeness, and strength of a demented elderly patient. I've been sent to the ER several times, and have been battered and beaten, and bit multiple times. Since none of us were present, we don't know what happened. I think before we lynch the cops for excessive force, it may have been justified. It is not uncommon for dementia patients to send staff to the hospital.
When I was in the ER last night with my stepfather, I was actually surprised at the security presence. There was always one within sight. They appear to carry tasers, but I'm not 100% sure. It was pretty quiet there but they must get some real nightmares through that door.
 
Having worked with elderly patients for most of my life, a 93-year-old guy can cause a lot of harm to others. I suspect Burgess wasn't the grandfatherly, docile gentleman the pic denotes. Try a kicking, biting, head butting, punching, spitting, clawing, swearing. irate, screaming, delusional male with a knife, and bent on causing great bodily harm to anyone near him.
There have been cases here of the elderly with dementia killing someone else, a fellow patient or harming staff. It’s amazing how strong some can be and there’s no reasoning with them.
 
I agree the police officers responding needed more training. Pepper spray while irritating it's not lethal. Use of a baton excessive IMO.

But when reading the article I didn't read where the man was in relation to others. For instance was he in a common room with others trapped or was he isolated?
Was there a reason for staff not to wait for him to be exhausted & fall asleep.
Died 3 weeks later of what?

After the fact judging without explaining why the police were called is easy. As an article it sure can generate interest.
 
I agree the police officers responding needed more training. Pepper spray while irritating it's not lethal. Use of a baton excessive IMO.

But when reading the article I didn't read where the man was in relation to others. For instance was he in a common room with others trapped or was he isolated?
Was there a reason for staff not to wait for him to be exhausted & fall asleep.
Died 3 weeks later of what?

After the fact judging without explaining why the police were called is easy. As an article it sure can generate interest.
It is understood Mr Burgess, who suffered from dementia, was in a room away from other staff and residents by the time police arrived.

Within seconds of encountering Mr Burgess, one of the officers deployed their PAVA pepper spray, before then using their baton in an attempt to disarm and restrain him.

When this failed the second officer drew his Taser and fired, temporarily incapacitating Mr Burgess with a blast of electrical current.

The officers were then able to remove the knife and handcuff the pensioner.

The retired carpenter, who suffers from diabetes, was arrested at the scene and then taken to hospital for medical treatment.

But his condition worsened and he died three weeks later on July 13. The exact cause of death has not yet been established.
The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has launched an investigation into the use of force and two police constables have been informed that they are under criminal investigation on suspicion of manslaughter.


Mr Burgess, who suffered from diabetes, moved into the care home four years ago after having one of his legs amputated.


Friends expressed shock at the incident, describing Mr Burgess as a kind and gentle man.


Born in nearby Battle, he had lived in the area his entire life. He married his wife, Ethel in 1955, but the couple did not have any children.


She died in 2015 after being diagnosed with cancer and after that his health started to suffer according to friends.


On Thursday night, neighbours at his former home in Battle said they were “stunned and shocked” by his tragic death.


One neighbour, who did not wish to be named, said: “Oh what a tragedy. He was a lovely, sociable man. He and his wife, Ethel, lived here for years and they were a lovely couple.


“Ethel got cancer and the last time she went into a hospice I promised her I’d look after her Don. This is so upsetting. I can’t believe it. How terrible.
She said Mr Burgess, a retired carpenter, had suffered from diabetes for some time and had to have his leg amputated as a result.

“After Ethel died he had his own carers,” the neighbour added. “But after he had his leg amputated he only came back for one night before he had to go into a care home.”

Another neighbour said: “He must have developed dementia after he went into the care home because he was always fine when he was here. We liked him. He was a friendly old guy. I think the death of his wife hit him very hard.”

Another resident said the couple was childless and had to rely on carers in their later years.

“They were both lovely,” said one. “I don’t remember Don having any hobbies like gardening or watching sport but I know he liked to watch the TV.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/04/police-tasered-93-year-old-disabled-care-home-resident/
“He was a nice, gentle old man. What has happened to him has left me stunned and shocked. It’s absolutely dreadful.”
 
Thanks HD for the follow up on how the event took place

Given the 3 weeks in the hospital, his age & poor health, maybe the investigation into cause of death will show natural causes.

The good news is that it's under investigation & no matter the outcome other officers hopefully will learn from what took place.
 
Because they are kids they don't have common sense. Because he is an old demented amputee he cant be dangerous. 'Ageism' and 'ableism' are obviously concepts yet to be known or understood in the U.K. Thank g** my ancestors fought in the American Revolution to get rid of the kind of nonsense you continue to espouse on this forum!
WTH do your ancestors fighting in the American revolution have to do with this situation?! I think you missed that straw you were grabbing for. The bottom line is that they could have handled the situation way better and without harming or killing that man! And like @Mike pointed out by this statement:
"P.S. if they're afraid of a one legged old man in a wheelchair,
then they shouldn't be in the Police Force, they couldn't handle
a real situation."
 
WTH do your ancestors fighting in the American revolution have to do with this situation?! I think you missed that straw you were grabbing for. The bottom line is that they could have handled the situation way better and without harming or killing that man! And like @Mike pointed out by this statement:
"P.S. if they're afraid of a one legged old man in a wheelchair,
then they shouldn't be in the Police Force, they couldn't handle
a real situation."
Absolutely spot on..
 


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