A truly Unappetizing Nonce Term

Warrigal said:
When did women get the vote in USA?
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August 18, 1920. Date of ratification of 19th amendment. Some say it was the beginning of the end of America....

jk. some states allowed women to vote before that, the amendment made it nationwide
 

That late, eh? They did try to prevent it back in 1777

1777 — All states pass laws taking away women’s right to vote.
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and reinforced the notion in 1870

1870 — The 15th Amendment is ratified, saying, “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” African-Americans may vote now, but women may not.
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But never mind. By 1920 enlightenment prevailed and women could vote in federal elections.

1920 — The 19th Amendment is ratified and grants women the right to vote. It declares: “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.”
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But enlightenment has its limits

1923 — The National Woman’s Party proposes a Constitutional amendment: “Men and women shall have equal rights throughout the United States and in every place subject to its jurisdiction. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.” It does not pass.
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Interesting topic, Big Horn, even if rather off topic.
 
Shalimar said:
I really don't understand the problem? Words mean different things in different cultures. Same with spelling. Diversity can be a good thing in my book. Often, perceived vulgarity is a generational thing. My gramma would turn over in her grave at some of my speech patterns, yet they seem very normal to my compatriots.
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I don't see a problem either. In the early days people didn't speak or write with contractions, though it is perfectly acceptable now. No one said "I don't see a problem." They said "I do not see a problem." Or, probably more like, "What, sir, seems to be the problem?" ...but you get my point.

Shalimar, here's a phrase the meaning of which was once not considered vulgar, but absolutely would be today if its true meaning is made clear: Rule of thumb ;)
 

Cap'nSacto said:
I don't see a problem either. In the early days people didn't speak or write with contractions, though it is perfectly acceptable now. No one said "I don't see a problem." They said "I do not see a problem." Or, probably more like, "What, sir, seems to be the problem?" ...but you get my point.

Shalimar, here's a phrase the meaning of which was once not considered vulgar, but absolutely would be today if its true meaning is made clear: Rule of thumb ;)
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Ohhh, you made me laugh! Thanks.
 
Warrigal said:
When did women get the vote in USA?
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The Wyoming Territorial Legislature granted full suffrage to all adults when the territory was organized in 1869. This was reaffirmed when Wyoming became a state in 1890. Utah did the same in 1870. However, the territorial governor who was not elected, but appointed by the president rescinded this because of his opposition to plural marriage. Colorado and Idaho were early states to grant all citizens suffrage. The greatest resistance was on the east coast. Since it's really complicated, I've appended a link to an informative website.

BTW, what about Australia?

http://depts.washington.edu/moves/WomanSuffrage_map.shtml
 
Cap'nSacto said:
I don't see a problem either. In the early days people didn't speak or write with contractions, though it is perfectly acceptable now. No one said "I don't see a problem." They said "I do not see a problem." Or, probably more like, "What, sir, seems to be the problem?" ...but you get my point.
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"Early Modern English holds many more contractions than are used today, such as shan’t, ‘twere, 'twon’t, 'tis, ha'n’t, and many more."

I especially like the double contraction ha'n't. It sure beats haven't. Sha'n't is also the correct form.

http://historicallyirrelevant.com/post/3505130893/the-history-of-contractions
 
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Big Horn said:
"Early Modern English holds many more contractions than are used today, such as shan’t, ‘twere, 'twon’t, 'tis, ha'n’t, and many more."

I especially like the double contraction ha'n't. It sure beats haven't. Sha'n't is also the correct form.
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Indeed. Popularized when poets of the day took poetic license.
 
Big Horn said:
The Wyoming Territorial Legislature granted full suffrage to all adults when the territory was organized in 1869. This was reaffirmed when Wyoming became a state in 1890. Utah did the same in 1870. However, the territorial governor who was not elected, but appointed by the president rescinded this because of his opposition to plural marriage. Colorado and Idaho were early states to grant all citizens suffrage. The greatest resistance was on the east coast. Since it's really complicated, I've appended a link to an informative website.

BTW, what about Australia?

http://depts.washington.edu/moves/WomanSuffrage_map.shtml
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I'll have check but in 1869 I'm not sure how many colonies had achieved their own parliamentary systems. NSW had so I'll see what I can find. South Australia was the most progressive state so I'll check that one out too.
 
Male suffrage only at first with a requirement of property ownership and/or financial capacity. Couldn't have convicts voting, could we?

Australia's first parliamentary elections were conducted for the New South Wales Legislative Council in 1843, again with voting rights (for males only) tied to property ownership or financial capacity. Voter rights were extended further in New South Wales in 1850 and elections for legislative councils were held in the colonies of Victoria, South Australia, and Tasmania.[SUP][3][/SUP]

By the mid-19th century, there was a strong desire for representative and responsible government in the colonies of Australia, fed by the democratic spirit of the goldfields evident at the Eureka Stockade and the ideas of the great reform movements sweeping Europe, the United States and the British Empire, such as Chartism.

The Australian Colonies Government Act, passed in 1850, was a landmark development that granted representative constitutions to New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania and the colonies enthusiastically set about writing constitutions which produced democratically progressive parliaments.
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Women first has the vote in South Australia in 1861, again with some caveats.

A movement for women's suffrage gathered pace during the 19th century. The experience and organisations involved in the suffrage movement varied across the colonies.

Propertied women in the colony of South Australia were granted the vote in local elections (but not parliamentary elections) in 1861. The Parliament of South Australia endorsed the right to vote and stand for parliament in 1894 and the law received royal assent in 1895.[SUP][5][/SUP] The law applied equally in the Northern Territory, which was then a part of South Australia. In 1897, Catherine Helen Spence became the first female political candidate for political office, unsuccessfully standing for election in South Australia as a delegate to Federal Convention on Australian Federation, which was held in Adelaide.[SUP][6]
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Western Australia granted voting rights to women in 1899.[SUP][7]
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In Victoria, the Electoral Act 1863 enfranchised all ratepayers listed on local municipal rolls. Some women ratepayers in Victoria were able to vote at the 1864 colony election. However, the all-male legislature regarded this as a legislative mistake and promptly modified the Act in 1865, in time for the 1866 election, to apply the vote only to male ratepayers. Henrietta Dugdale, who publicly advocated women's suffrage since 1868, formed the Victorian Women's Suffrage Society in 1884, the first Australian women's suffrage society.

The Society called for votes for women on the same basis as men.[SUP][8][/SUP] It took 19 private members' bills from 1889 before Victorian women gained the vote in 1908, and were able to exercise the vote for the first time at the 1911 state election, the last state to do so.[SUP][9][/SUP] The Victorian Society disbanded in 1908,[SUP][8][/SUP] after women in the state gained the vote.
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Universal franchise for men and women (other than Aboriginals or Chinese) was granted in 1902 but as shown above some of the states took a little longer to catch up.

The first election for the Parliament of the newly formed Commonwealth of Australia in 1901 was based on the electoral laws of the six federating colonies, so that women who had the vote and the right to stand for Parliament at a colony (now state) level (i.e., in South Australia including the Northern Territory and Western Australia) had the same rights for the 1901 Australian federal election. In 1902, the Commonwealth Parliament passed the uniform Commonwealth Franchise Act 1902, which enabled women 21 years of age and older to vote at elections for the federal Parliament.

The States soon gave women over 21 the vote: New South Wales in 1902, Tasmania in 1903, Queensland in 1905, and Victoria in 1908.
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It took until 1967 for indigenous men and women to get the vote. I voted in the referendum that changed the constitution to allow it.
 
The U.S. has had a long and exasperating history of getting women the right to work. The general attitude of the government, as well as the so-called worker's rights organizations, all held the view that men had a superior right to work, that a man's respectability rested on his ability to support a non-working wife, and that there was a sense of entitlement to sexual and household services of wives.

It wasn't until the mid-1800's that any sort of movement appeared to allow women to work outside the home, and it wasn't until 1963 that an Equal Pay Act was passed. Now, 54 years later, there is still a disparity between wages for men and women.
 
can anyone define these words:

[h=1]Jabberwocky[/h]
BY LEWIS CARROLL

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.



“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!

The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!

Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun

The frumious Bandersnatch!”



He took his vorpal sword in hand;

Long time the manxome foe he sought—

So rested he by the Tumtum tree

And stood awhile in thought.



And, as in uffish thought he stood,

The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,

Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,

And burbled as it came!



One, two! One, two! And through and through

The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!

He left it dead, and with its head

He went galumphing back.



“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?

Come to my arms, my beamish boy!

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”

He chortled in his joy.



’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.







Source: The Random House Book of Poetry for Children (198

 
Falcon said:
SIMPLY PUT; A "mosh pit" is the area down and in front of a stage where some kind of entertainment is taking place !!!!

Fans like to gather there to be close to the performers and listen to the music.

IFsome sort of violence takes place has nothing to do with the initial description.
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You got it right Falcon!!
 
This is the first time I come across these words so I looked them up just to confirm the definitions being provided here. Here are the definitions for nonce and Mosh Pit.


nonce
Used by prison staff, to explain the segregation of inmates who were convicted of sex crimes towards children and the other inmates

Not
On
Normal
Communal
Excercise


NONCE
Prisoner W23899 is a nonce.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nonce


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Definition of mosh pit
: an area in front of a stage where very physical and rough dancing takes place at a rock concert
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mosh pit [/quote]

To be honest I don't see anything offensive in either term. To me they come across as simply descriptive.
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Radrook said:
This is the first time I come across these words so I looked them up just to confirm the definitions being provided here. Here are the definitions for nonce and Mosh Pit.


nonce
Used by prison staff, to explain the segregation of inmates who were convicted of sex crimes towards children and the other inmates

Not
On
Normal
Communal
Excercise


NONCE
Prisoner W23899 is a nonce.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nonce


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Definition of mosh pit
: an area in front of a stage where very physical and rough dancing takes place at a rock concert
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mosh pit [/quote]

To be honest I don't see anything offensive in either term. To me they come across as simply descriptive.
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The terms are not in my spoken or written vocabulary. Neither is "come across" used metaphorically. I leave all three terms to my inferiors.
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Shalimar said:
Not at all. In America, during the 1960's, a bank could refuse to issue a credit card to an unmarried woman, if she was married, her husband was required to cosign. Under those circumstances, buying property on her own could be problematic. Not until

the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974, was it illegal to refuse a credit card to a woman based on her gender. Regarding education, Yale and Princeton didn't accept female students prior to 1969, Harvard denied them entry until 1977. With the

exception of University of Pennsylvania, which accepted some women on a case by case basis, in 1876, and Cornell, which opened it's doors to some women in 1870, women were barred from Ivy League schools until at least 1969. Women have come a long way in both America and Canada.
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We got our first credit card in 1973. I had a very well-paying job and my husband was going to school full time working on his doctorate. His only income at the time was what he was receiving from the GI Bill for his schooling. I applied for the credit card in my name. The bank issued it in my husband's name and I was given a second card that also had his name on it. So....it was MY income that got us the card but it had to be in HIS name and I was just an extra user. We've come a long, long way. Oh, and to get our first mortgage that same year, I had to sign a statement saying I didn't plan on having any more children. He didn't have to sign anything that said he wasn't planning on going to school for the rest of his life.
 
Big Horn said:
Radrook said:
This is the first time I come across these words so I looked them up just to confirm the definitions being provided here. Here are the definitions for nonce and Mosh Pit.


The terms are not in my spoken or written vocabulary. Neither is "come across" used metaphorically. I leave all three terms to my inferiors.
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That only proves an impoverished vocabulary. It does not prove superiority unless delusion is involved. :D
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