Against the vaccine? What about polio?

This mass delusion about vaccines is shocking. I can't believe people are so blind to this. Not eating good food, exercising, not staying away from processed foods..not quitting smoking, or abstaining from alcohol, not sitting on your ass all day, nope, not at all. None of it is to blame.
Just get a shot. Cause that negates all the bad you've done! What a delusional world we live in.
And we wonder why life expectancy is going down, disease are going up, kids are messed up...Still everyone has an excuse.
But because the guy in the white coat said get this shot, you follow along without question. What about if he told you to stop eating sugar? Would you stop? I doubt it! Most likely for a few days at most. But if he told you to come back for a diff shot, you would. And a 3rd, and a 4rth. Just idiocracy.
 
Tazx said:
Hmmm, so people won't go to an anti vax doctor because he doesn't believe the vaccine for whatever is justified.
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It looks that way.
Tazx said:
But I am pretty darn sure EVERY doctor tells people to stop smoking, stop drinking, eat healthy food, stop the deep fried and fast food, get your exercise, yet the majority of people don't!
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That's right.
Tazx said:
I see where this mass delusion is coming from. Basically people pick and choose their doctors advice when it suits them.
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Yes.
Tazx said:
No wonder America, Canada and most western countries are rife with disease, disability, obesity, diabetes and medications.
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No wonder at all.
Tazx said:
People believe in the vaccine fairy ...it will protect me from everything.
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Yep.

That was a really good post, Tazx! 👏
 

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Tazx said:
Hmmm, so people won't go to an anti vax doctor because he doesn't believe the vaccine for whatever is justified.
Ok...
But I am pretty darn sure EVERY doctor tells people to stop smoking, stop drinking, eat healthy food, stop the deep fried and fast food, get your exercise, yet the majority of people don't!

I see where this mass delusion is coming from. Basically people pick and choose their doctors advice when it suits them. Lol.

No wonder America, Canada and most western countries are rife with disease, disability, obesity, diabetes and medications. People believe in the vaccine fairy...it will protect me from everything. Yep everything but stupidity.

So you take a shot, but don't listen to the other better advice. Wow.
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Thanks for reminding us that we should listen to all the advice from our doctors, not just the parts that suit us.
 
Tazx said:
Hmmm, so people won't go to an anti vax doctor because he doesn't believe the vaccine for whatever is justified.
Ok...
But I am pretty darn sure EVERY doctor tells people to stop smoking, stop drinking, eat healthy food, stop the deep fried and fast food, get your exercise, yet the majority of people don't!

I see where this mass delusion is coming from. Basically people pick and choose their doctors advice when it suits them. Lol.

No wonder America, Canada and most western countries are rife with disease, disability, obesity, diabetes and medications. People believe in the vaccine fairy...it will protect me from everything. Yep everything but stupidity.

So you take a shot, but don't listen to the other better advice. Wow.
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Nailed it
 
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Tazx said:
Hmmm, so people won't go to an anti vax doctor because he doesn't believe the vaccine for whatever is justified.
Ok...
But I am pretty darn sure EVERY doctor tells people to stop smoking, stop drinking, eat healthy food, stop the deep fried and fast food, get your exercise, yet the majority of people don't!

I see where this mass delusion is coming from. Basically people pick and choose their doctors advice when it suits them. Lol.

No wonder America, Canada and most western countries are rife with disease, disability, obesity, diabetes and medications. People believe in the vaccine fairy...it will protect me from everything. Yep everything but stupidity.

So you take a shot, but don't listen to the other better advice. Wow.
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OK Anti-Vaxer.
 
January said:
A few honest doctors? - you mean the very few that agree with your anti vaccine stance?

The doctor in your link has not had his view vindicated, judge deliberately kept out of that - he has only had his suspension overturned.
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Yes I am anti vaccination because I can see the harm that it is doing, and I am surprised you cannot see it being a medical person yourself.
I see Western Australia is having another outbreak of Covid, so much for the vaccine.

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nan said:
Yes I am anti vaccination because I can see the harm that it is doing, and I am surprised you cannot see it being a medical person yourself.
I see Western Australia is having another outbreak of Covid, so much for the vaccine.
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Surprising that the vast majority of medical professionals can't see it either - we must all be wrong and you be right :rolleyes:

Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect and will stop there being any outbreaks of Covid - so yes I'm sure there are outbreaks in WA - not sure why you singled out WA, there would be outbreaks i n various places, nobody is claiming Covid has disappeared.

But cases are MUCH less severe now - obviously why we are no longer in lockdown, mask wearing etc

 
Tazx said:
But I am pretty darn sure EVERY doctor tells people to stop smoking, stop drinking, eat healthy food, stop the deep fried and fast food, get your exercise, yet the majority of people don't!

I see where this mass delusion is coming from. Basically people pick and choose their doctors advice when it suits them. Lol.

No wonder America, Canada and most western countries are rife with disease, disability, obesity, diabetes and medications. People believe in the vaccine fairy...it will protect me from everything. Yep everything but stupidity.
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Nobody thinks vaccines protect against obesity and co. Total strawman argument there.

and sure, people may not follow the advice about weight, smoking etc - but that doesnt mean they disagree with the advice or think the doctor is wrong about it.

and No it isnt picking and choosing based o n what advice suits me, it is having a doctor that follows medical guidelines - so if a doctor said smoking wasn't a health risk and encouraged people to smoke, I would stop going to him/her too - even though I don't smoke and the advice doesn't affect me directly - it shows the calibre of that doctor.
 
hollydolly said:
yep I remember it very well. First everyone had to line up outside the medical office and were given the ''skin test''.. then as you say if a lump appeared which it did with most people then the TB vaccination was given. I didn't react to the skin test because my Mother and grandmother both had, had TB...so no vaccination for me...
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Actually Holly, you have that backwards. A positive skin test for TB can mean one of two things.
#1 - you have been exposed to TB but do not have the disease. You have developed natural immunity.
#2 - you actually do have TB.

Only an Xray will tell whether you are in the clear or not. No vaccination is necessary either way.

If the skin test is negative you may benefit from having the inoculation, especially if TB happens to be rife, which it isn't right now. If a chest Xray reveals TB, inoculation is too late and will achieve nothing. You need medical care.

I still have the scar from being inoculated as a child when my grandfather had an active case of TB. Back then TB was a serious threat in Australia. To become a public school teacher all teaching college students were required to have a mandatory chest Xray. In addition, there were mobile vans in Sydney suburbs where you could just walk in and have a free chest Xray.

Eradicating diseases takes a lot of time, effort and money. It also requires co-operation of the public.
 
Tazx said:
Like all the politicians, movie stars, famous people were saying how good the vax was! My how tables have turned.
So its ok if a politician says they are good, but when another says bad its not good?
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You are missing the point. Politicians, movie stars and other famous people are merely influencers, not experts.
 
Tazx's_better_half said:
Can someone please clarify simply why as an unvaxxed person I had to reveal my vaccination status during the "pandemic" but you vaxxed people don't have to reveal yours now.
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????? This doesn't make sense to me. If vaccination were to be an issue, wouldn't everyone for whom this applied to have to show proof of vaccination ? Either way, vaccinated or not vaccinated, your status would be revealed. For the vaccinated, the date of vaccination would be recorded.

My doctor has stopped vaccinating his patients now because the crisis of the initial wave is over. Should a new strain prove to be as deadly as the first, then I will be lining up for my shot.

By the way, my medical history is now on a national data base. If I should be carried into the ED unable to communicate, the medical team will know everything about my medical history and current health status. Bonus, IMO.
 
Warrigal said:
Actually Holly, you have that backwards. A positive skin test for TB can mean one of two things.
#1 - you have been exposed to TB but do not have the disease. You have developed natural immunity.
#2 - you actually do have TB.

Only an Xray will tell whether you are in the clear or not. No vaccination is necessary either way.

If the skin test is negative you may benefit from having the inoculation, especially if TB happens to be rife, which it isn't right now. If a chest Xray reveals TB, inoculation is too late and will achieve nothing. You need medical care.

I still have the scar from being inoculated as a child when my grandfather had an active case of TB. Back then TB was a serious threat in Australia. To become a public school teacher all teaching college students were required to have a mandatory chest Xray. In addition, there were mobile vans in Sydney suburbs where you could just walk in and have a free chest Xray.

Eradicating diseases takes a lot of time, effort and money. It also requires co-operation of the public.
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well of course I was only 14 when this was all happening so I only know what I was told...either way...after the skin test I was told I had immunity from it... and didn't get any kind of x-ray to determine if it was true.. but I didn't get the vaccine....as I said my mum had just recently had TB.. ad my granny just a while before her
 
Tazx said:
And if these so called shots are so good, why did all makers get immunity from prosecution? And The us just extended it till 2029. Why? What are they hiding/protecting?
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If the developers of vaccines and medications were to be subject to prosecution, there would be no development of new treatments for as yet untreatable conditions. Medical research must follow clear ethical guidelines and if they do not, then they are not immune to legal penalties.
 
Tazx said:
This mass delusion about vaccines is shocking. I can't believe people are so blind to this. Not eating good food, exercising, not staying away from processed foods..not quitting smoking, or abstaining from alcohol, not sitting on your ass all day, nope, not at all. None of it is to blame.
Just get a shot. Cause that negates all the bad you've done! What a delusional world we live in.
And we wonder why life expectancy is going down, disease are going up, kids are messed up...Still everyone has an excuse.
But because the guy in the white coat said get this shot, you follow along without question. What about if he told you to stop eating sugar? Would you stop? I doubt it! Most likely for a few days at most. But if he told you to come back for a diff shot, you would. And a 3rd, and a 4rth. Just idiocracy.
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I eat healthy food, exercise, don't drink, don't smoke, don't eat sugar, and keep all my vaccinations up to date. It's all part of doing my best to be well. I could still get a terrible disease or hit by a car at any time. Healthy habits don't insure a long life they just help our odds a little.

I've never met anyone who thought getting a vaccination would improve his over all health. We all know shots are simply to prevent certain diseases.

Exercise and diet are all fine, but diseases like polio strike big strong athletes like FDR was, as well as children and women. Babies used to die of diphtheria and rubella while still in the crib, drinking nothing but milk. They weren't guilty of bad habits or laziness.
Tazx said:
Your just another sheep.
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Following the advice of professionals who've spent 8-12 years in training rather than the advice of internet influencers doesn't make us sheep, just sensible.
 
Warrigal said:
If the developers of vaccines and medications were to be subject to prosecution, there would be no development of new treatments
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Exactly. Because ALL of their treatments are toxic, only designed to increase their corrupt pharma profits.
As long as they're not held accountable, they can keep getting away with murder and getting paid big bucks for doing it.
 
In the United States, before COVID-19 vaccines became available in December 2020, the reported death toll was approximately 350,000. Here's a breakdown:
  • March 2020: The first recorded COVID-19 death in the U.S. occurred in February, but the numbers began to rise significantly in March.
  • Mid-2020: By late July 2020, the U.S. surpassed 150,000 deaths.
  • December 2020: By the time the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was authorized on December 11, 2020, the U.S. death toll had reached around 290,000.
  • By the end of December 2020, this number grew to about 350,000.
  • As with global numbers, underreporting and variations in attribution could mean the true toll was somewhat higher.
That's a pretty impressive hoax! :unsure:
 
Warrigal said:
????? This doesn't make sense to me. If vaccination were to be an issue, wouldn't everyone for whom this applied to have to show proof of vaccination ? Either way, vaccinated or not vaccinated, your status would be revealed. For the vaccinated, the date of vaccination would be recorded.

My doctor has stopped vaccinating his patients now because the crisis of the initial wave is over. Should a new strain prove to be as deadly as the first, then I will be lining up for my shot.

By the way, my medical history is now on a national data base. If I should be carried into the ED unable to communicate, the medical team will know everything about my medical history and current health status. Bonus, IMO.
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I think what she was going for there is, that are all these turbo cancers, neuropathy, peri and myocarditis appearing...why wont the govt confirm they are only appearing in the vaxxed. The wont say it on the news. Now all of a sudden everything is quiet. But during covid, it was unvaxxed this, unvaxxed that. We were demonized.
And, as she mentioned in other posts previous, we have a vaxxed friend that is questioning why they always get sick and why he has had covid 2 times in 2 months. And we have never had it and are unvaxxed.

All of a sudden all is quiet on the unvaxxed, vaxxed issues when massive diseases are appearing. Or at least that is what I get from it.
 
Warrigal said:
You are missing the point. Politicians, movie stars and other famous people are merely influencers, not experts.
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Oh but they said it was safe and effective! Parroting the same info as media, politicians etc. As for health ministers, I am not sure about all of them of course, but in Canada in BC, we had a health minister that has a degree in interior design, and argued with people saying that organic food, vitamins and exercise were useless. So, my trust in govts, health experts are the same as the belief that doctors know about health.
 

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