Against the vaccine? What about polio?

[ElCastor]

Read my posts properly. Never said CanaCovid vax did nothing but create harm. Protected no one.

The wife and I are fully Vax’d and Boosted and will continue to be. You will do as you wish - fine with me.

 

[Tazx's_better_half]

Well the death toll for vaxxed deaths is astronomical. Euro and North American vaers deaths is proving how many people died or were injured by it.
Then if you want to be technical, add in the turbo cancers, the 'died suddenly', the heart problems that are everywhere now and those far exceed anything that 'covid' did.
As for under reporting...do you really want to go there? How many things were deemed a covid death. Dies of covid in a car crash, had a massive heart attack but tested pos for covid, so a covid death. We all heard them. There were families that had lawsuits to remove covid from the death certificates when it clearly was not.
Also speaking of under/over reporting, once again the famous hospitals overwhelmed issue. Here in EU we had something called -film your hospitals- that went around here. Hospitals were empty yet they said they were full. People filmed in their hospitals, er's, ambulance bays etc, and found less than normal activity. In fact several large cities closed their hospitals 50 percent cause of no patients.

Also, in the UK, US and Can, the famous instagram or tik tok videos of dancing docs and nurses. Funny they had time to make these vids despite being so overwhlemed. Where did they get the practice time? Even if they had 10 min, were they not working overtime, so tired and over worked? Who had the desire or energy to practice and choreograph a dance routine. Not to mention wasting all that tax dollars and medical gear.

Few minds at this point in the game will ever be changed- you're just dealing with useful idiots who lack sufficient cognitive capacity-maybe prion disease has set in.

 

[Tazx]

Flu shot ingredients according to CDC;

Thimerosal, Hydrocortisone, cetyltrimethylammonium bromide, polysorbate 20 & 80, baculovirus, beta propriolactone, canine kidney cell protein, triton x-100, egg protein, formaldehyde, neomyacin, gentamiacin sulfate.

So anyone tell me why the heck any of that in is a flu shot? Do you even know what they are?
If you wouldn't put these in your mouth, why would you put them in your arm?

 

[Tazx's_better_half]

of course they wont - because it isnt so

there is no increase in such - these things have always happened and continue to do so - there is no connection to being vaxxed or not.

No increase, really? Do you want to take some time to double check that statement before my husband rebuttals? Why are certain insurance companies now canceling coverage for people with stage 4 cancer stating there's no cure? And that they cannot afford it due to the explosion of cancers?

 

[Tazx's_better_half]

Famous saying - You're either a fool or a physician by the age of forty

 

[Tazx]

These are actual patents in the US govt system;

Aids #5676977
H1N1 #8835624
Ebola #20120251502
Swine Flu #CA2741523A1
BSE #0070031450A1
Zika #ATTC VR-84
SARS #789744 & 8506968
Coronov #10130701

We all heard -gain of function- research by Fauci and his labs. Why do you think there are patents for these diseases? You can patent nature by law. So they alter them through GOF, then they release them on the public. Each one of these has been an issue at one point.
Yet we the people still tolerate it and take the fact that this in any country is treason and a declaration of war against its people.
Yet we do nothing, say nothing, and worst off...take the shots that they create for the very disease they created. I mean idiocracy anyone?

 

[Tazx]

Yes January

of course they wont - because it isnt so

there is no increase in such - these things have always happened and continue to do so - there is no connection to being vaxxed or not.

Well, I have been reading and seeing all kinds of video posts, people posting their insurance letters, and other posts.
Insurance companies are now slowly cancelling insurance once you are at stage 4 because they say first there is no cure, and second they are overwhelmed with claims from people with cancer. Well January what is the cause of all these claims this year? Why did they skyrocket? Why are insurance companies changing their conditions all of a sudden?

You can live in a denialism reality if you choose. But if you actually drop your bias and seeming hatred towards others that speak up, you might begin to see the truth.

Most of us are not anti vax like you say, just anti lies and deceipt. Its just that there is overwhelming evidence that vaccines have done nothing in society. US gov charts show most childhood diseases were eliminated or at elimination before the introduction of a vaccine. There was a documentary about how in 35 years the flu vax has not changed flu rates at all. And now this c-19 vax is killing and harming people. Even the most devout vax person has to see there is something going on.

I believe that is the problem in the world today. Is people are so devout to whatever their stance, that nothing ever changes their mind. Democrat/Republican, white/black, vax/anti vax, religious/non-religious and so on. And right there is why we will eventually die off as a race. A race divided against itself, dies.

I wish people would put bias aside and really look at stats. Funny thing...I hated stats in university, I hated them outside of school, but as you get a bit older and wiser, you realize that when you put things in a pile, organize them into stats, it is usually shows you the answer and usually overwhelmingly so.

 

[Inept]

Most of us are not anti vax like you say, just anti lies and deceipt.

 

[Tazx]

Instead of vaccines...say for covid for example, how about Elderberry.
See the research below;
Elderberry has been revered for centuries as a go-to remedy for respiratory infections, fever, and inflammation—both acute and chronic.

The herb was detected in the charred remains of ancient settlements, leading some researchers to speculate that elder trees may have intentionally been cultivated thousands of years ago.

In traditional medicine, elderberry is used to treat diabetes, dry skin, diarrhea, headaches, constipation, conjunctivitis, rheumatism, and other ailments. Hippocrates, the “father of medicine,” called elderberry his “medicine chest” because of its wide range of healing properties.

Ancient Egyptians used elderberry to treat burns and improve complexion. Native Americans used it to treat fever and cough, among other things. Elderberry was even featured in “The Family Physitian” (1696) as a remedy for scurvy, and it was a favorite plant among young boys for making popguns.

Elderberry gained modern recognition during the 1995 Panama flu epidemic, where it was reportedly used to combat the illness. A clinical trial conducted during the epidemic reported that nearly 90 percent of patients treated with elderberry extract fully recovered within two to three days, compared to six days or more for the placebo group.

Elderberry belongs to the Sambucus genus, which includes 20 species, but the most popular and extensively studied for immune support is black elderberry (Sambucus nigra), native to Europe, northern Africa, the Americas, and western Asia.

Due to its diverse blend of nutrients, elderberry can help combat acute illnesses like the common cold and possibly chronic diseases.

Its medicinal properties are largely attributed to its anthocyanins, the compounds responsible for elderberry’s deep purple color. These antioxidants shield against inflammation and oxidative damage—two factors that can weaken the immune system.

In many countries, anthocyanins are prescribed as medicine because of their potential to protect against chronic conditions such as atherosclerosis.

Elderberries also contain vitamins A, B-complex, C, and E, essential minerals like zinc and magnesium, and antioxidants such as flavonols, carotenoids, phytosterols, and polyphenols, earning elderberry a reputation as a “superfruit.”

1. Fights Colds and Flu​

Research suggests that elderberry may help reduce the duration and severity of flu symptoms across several strains of influenza. Elderberry reduced the flu’s duration by an average of four days in a clinical trial. When taken within 48 hours of symptom onset, elderberry significantly alleviated fever, headache, nasal congestion, and mucous discharge associated with the flu, according to a 2020 review. Symptoms in most adults improved by an average of 50 percent within two to four days. This effect may be due to elderberry’s ability to block viral proteins, preventing viruses from infecting cells.

Elderberry also reduced cold symptoms in air travelers, according to a 2016 study.

2. Slows Cognitive Decline​

A 2024 randomized controlled trial reported that patients with mild cognitive impairment who took elderberry for six months trended toward faster visuospatial problem-solving performance than controls. Several markers of inflammation were also reduced, which is significant because chronic inflammation is associated with cognitive decline. Elderberry juice shows promise in slowing Alzheimer’s-related cognitive decline, the researchers concluded.

Similarly, a 2023 cell culture study highlighted elderberry’s potential neuroprotective effects by demonstrating its ability to prevent oxidative stress-induced death of neuron-like cells, a major predictor of age-related cognitive decline. The findings suggest elderberry may address oxidative damage in neurological conditions, such as cognitive decline.

3. Combats Chronic Disease​

Emerging research, primarily in animal and cell culture studies, suggests elderberry’s potential in managing inflammatory and chronic conditions, although more studies are needed to confirm these effects in humans. Some of the most encouraging research is detailed below.

Heart Disease​

In a placebo-controlled study, 34 healthy people consumed elderberry juice for two weeks. On average, participant cholesterol dropped from 199 to 190 milligrams per deciliter compared to the control group. The decrease was not statistically significant but did show a trend, leading the researchers to conclude that a higher dose may lead to a significant decrease. A second study reported that elderberry extract reduced aortic cholesterol levels in a widely used mouse model of atherosclerosis, indicating decreased progression of the condition.

A 2024 cell culture study found that elderberry inhibited foam cell formation, a critical step in atherosclerosis and heart disease, without triggering liver fat production. This suggests elderberry may help prevent heart disease by targeting the early stages of arterial plaque development, though further research is needed to confirm these effects in humans.

Diabetes​

Elderberry has a history of being used as a traditional remedy for diabetes. In a 2016 study, four weeks of elderberry extract supplementation decreased insulin resistance and fasting blood sugar in Type 2 diabetic rats. Another study found that 16 weeks of black elderberry supplementation reduced insulin resistance, triglycerides, and inflammation in obese mice.

Huntington’s Disease​

Scientists are exploring the potential of elderberry as a therapy for Huntington’s disease. In a 2021 study, compared with controls, rats with an experimental model of Huntington’s disease demonstrated significant improvement in motor function and muscle coordination after treatment with elderberry.

Depression​

Elderberry was also reported to be a natural antidepressant in a mouse model, according to a 2014 study. The researchers concluded that elderberry extracts “were safe and showed remarkable antidepressant activity.”

Cancer​

Black elderberry is rich in bioactive compounds, including antioxidants, that may contribute to cancer prevention and support cancer treatment. One notable compound, kaempferol—a flavonoid present in black elderberries—triggered the death of pancreatic cancer cells in both tumor-bearing mice and cell cultures, according to a 2021 study. Additionally, anthocyanins from elderberries caused melanoma cells to halt their proliferation and die in a 2017 cell culture study.

So many healing properties of this ONE plant, never mind the hundreds of others.

I posted this because of the recent scamdemic.
Maybe with Elderberry and Echinacea, prior to 'it' spreading around, we could have prevented hospitalizations, deaths, infections, transmissions whatever.
But it seems despite over a thousand years of research showing the benefits of Elderberry and while not talked about here-Echinacea- a lot could have been prevented.

Instead of believing in proven history and healthy natural treatments/preventatives, they instead believe in pill form, with questionable testing and safety rigors, and side effects that can sometimes include death, because it was given by a 'white coat'!

 

[Pepper]

No increase, really? Do you want to take some time to double check that statement before my husband rebuttals? Why are certain insurance companies now canceling coverage for people with stage 4 cancer stating there's no cure? And that they cannot afford it due to the explosion of cancers?

Could you expand on this please? Like w/company names, stories of this happening and where?

 

[Tazx]

Could you expand on this please? Like w/company names, stories of this happening and where?

Ok, we can look a bit later, but they are beiing posted in telegram, you tube and other forums. I will see what names if I can find them.
(Sorry I am not familiar with the us insurance system-as a Canadian, also in Europe where its different). But I will try to get names...

 

[Tazx]

Could you expand on this please? Like w/company names, stories of this happening and where?

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7450680779018980651

There are some more, and when she posted on Telegram she included a screen shot of the letter. Again, will look and post at some point.

 

[Pepper]

@paragraphsandpixels
Respuesta a @Idontthinkso

♬ sonido original - Esther
That's what I see on screen @Tazx

 

[againstthegrain]

Could you expand on this please? Like w/company names, stories of this happening and where?

There is one case where a BC man failed to disclose an emergency room visit, therefore Manulife cancelled his entire policy. He happened to have Stage 4 cancer, they would have done the same no what expensive illness he may have had. He was seeking experimental treatment in the US.

As stated previously the RU bot conflates causation and correlation essentially rendering the discussion entirely useless.

 

[Paco Dennis]

There was a documentary about how in 35 years the flu vax has not changed flu rates at all. And now this c-19 vax is killing and harming people. Even the most devout vax person has to see there is something going on.

The claim that flu vaccines have not changed flu rates in 35 years is not supported by scientific data. In fact, flu vaccines have been shown to be effective in reducing illness and hospitalizations:
Flu vaccine effectiveness varies from year to year, typically ranging from 40% to 60% when well-matched to circulating strains.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/647568

 

[Pepper]

Just some broad talking on tik tok. I should care what she says, why?

 

[Tazx]

There is one case where a BC man failed to disclose an emergency room visit, therefore Manulife cancelled his entire policy. He happened to have Stage 4 cancer, they would have done the same no what expensive illness he may have had. He was seeking experimental treatment in the US.

As stated previously the RU bot conflates causation and correlation essentially rendering the discussion entirely useless.

Ok first off, being in the Military and a Vet, we recently had our health policies change and its now garbage. Manulife/Blue cross are always, and have always been the worst. And in Canada, you are never denied treatment because of insurance. You dont need insurance or Manulife, Blue Cross, etc. Just being a citizen of Canada gets you free health care. Even though it may be too late or shit care, but you will get it. Those plans are extra plans. Typicall for extra special coverage for certaiin things, like private rooms, special transport etc. They cover more drugs and other things.

And not sure what you mean by RU bot. If you are insinuating I am a Russian (bot?), then you are a complete and utter ass for insulting me. I served my country, worked with many nations and first and foremost defend freedom of Canada against anyone.

Not sure where the RU bot comment came from? Actually quite insulting considering my service record and my families service records going back to WW2.

If that is your statement, please explain...

 

[CooCooforCoCoPuffs]

Flu shot ingredients according to CDC;

Thimerosal, Hydrocortisone, cetyltrimethylammonium bromide, polysorbate 20 & 80, baculovirus, beta propriolactone, canine kidney cell protein, triton x-100, egg protein, formaldehyde, neomyacin, gentamiacin sulfate.

So anyone tell me why the heck any of that in is a flu shot? Do you even know what they are?
If you wouldn't put these in your mouth, why would you put them in your arm?

Yes. But it would take me writing about six "chapters" few on this board would understand? And those would likely need at least a heavy knowledge in: biology, immunology, chemistry, biochemistry, molecular and cellular genetics, virology.... need I go on??

 

[CooCooforCoCoPuffs]

I don't have a degree or deep knowledge in physics which would explain why spacecraft stay in orbital stasis, but that doesn't mean authorities don't know their field.

This argument reminds me of how people argued for eons: "Is the world flat or round?"

Eratosthenes and Aristotle had it right.

 

[Tazx]

The claim that flu vaccines have not changed flu rates in 35 years is not supported by scientific data. In fact, flu vaccines have been shown to be effective in reducing illness and hospitalizations:
Flu vaccine effectiveness varies from year to year, typically ranging from 40% to 60% when well-matched to circulating strains.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/647568

Ok, lets use that article. Compare it to govt of Canada stats, that state the flu levels have not changed at all. Some years up, some years down as with cycles. But please tell me how getting a flu shot for last years strain protects you this year? There are 200 versions according to CDC. So basically looking at patterns they 'think' that the next year will be flu 6 or something. Their best guess. So they make that version. Well that still leaves you a 1/200 chance they got it right. Really? Play those odds. Would you do anything if you knew it was 1/200? I wouldn't.

 

[Tazx]

Yes. But it would take me writing about six "chapters" few on this board would understand? And those would likely need at least a heavy knowledge in: biology, immunology, chemistry, biochemistry, molecular and cellular genetics, virology.... need I go on??

Sorry, you said you would put that in your arm? Or you wouldn't?

 

[Tazx]

I don't have a degree or deep knowledge in physics which would explain why spacecraft stay in orbital stasis, but that doesn't mean authorities don't know their field.

This argument reminds me of how people argued for eons: "Is the world flat or round?"

Eratosthenes and Aristotle had it right.

Authorities do not know their field. If you know the amount of billions the lobby groups fund through the US govt, from all branches-health, pharma, food manufactures etc-you would see that it matters not what you think, know or prove. A fat check for a cool 200 million changes your mind.
That is what is wrong with the industry.
Thats why you can only find the truth about anything from those that are not being paid to have an opinion. People who risk careers in food, health, science etc, they are the ones telling the truth.

As I said a few times before, being behind the scenes in the military, seeing how its influenced and who funds wars, and how much value is placed in their opinion, you would know this extrapolates to all fields. Money talks, bullshit walks.

 

[CooCooforCoCoPuffs]

Sorry, you said you would put that in your arm? Or you wouldn't?

Didn't say one way or the other.
Was just stating that this heated discussion re: vax vs no vax is liken to is the world flat or round.
Everyone has to make their own decisions about their personal health choices.

 

[CooCooforCoCoPuffs]

Authorities do not know their field. If you know the amount of billions the lobby groups fund through the US govt, from all branches-health, pharma, food manufactures etc-you would see that it matters not what you think, know or prove. A fat check for a cool 200 million changes your mind.
That is what is wrong with the industry.
Thats why you can only find the truth about anything from those that are not being paid to have an opinion. People who risk careers in food, health, science etc, they are the ones telling the truth.

As I said a few times before, being behind the scenes in the military, seeing how its influenced and who funds wars, and how much value is placed in their opinion, you would know this extrapolates to all fields. Money talks, bullshit walks.

I DO know virology and vaccines. Also know money talks. Also know military fairly well, too. Govt contracting, etc.

Am VERY certain pharm is pushing all sorts of things on the public, no doubt in my mind.
Still, the public needs to find what works in their own mind, what works for them.

 

[Tazx]

Didn't say one way or the other.
Was just stating that this heated discussion re: vax vs no vax is liken to is the world flat or round.
Everyone has to make their own decisions about their personal health choices.

OK, understood.