Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set

raybar said:
Here's Safety Bulletin #2: Special Use of Live Ammunition
Special Use of "Live Ammunition"

If you are interested, you can look around on the Contract Services web site ( csatf.org ) and see how much safety training is required to work on union shows. Look under "Training" and "Production Affairs & Safety"
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Thanks @raybar, that is interesting. The industry does seem to have well thought out and quite protective standards. Obviously not always followed.
Irwin said:
Alec Baldwin is at fault
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I agree, however I don't think he is the only one...
 

Irwin said:
Alec Baldwin is at fault. He was the one handling the gun so he's the one who should have checked to see if it was loaded, even if someone else checked it beforehand.
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My husband said that the first rule of gun safety is to always assume a gun is loaded, and the second one is never point a gun at anyone unless you fully intend to shoot them. He taught me gun safety rules long ago when he took me shooting (at targets). A prop gun, since they are capable of holding live ammo and killing people, is not a toy.

He thinks Alec Baldwin is at fault, too, because he thinks Alec Baldwin has been around the block a time or two and knows about gun safety and the like. I don't know what Alec Baldwin actually knows about guns and gun safety, so I don't have an opinion. And frankly, I don't care. Not my monkey, not my circus. I didn't even think about gun safety rules, though, until my husband brought it up.
 
WheatenLover said:
My husband said that the first rule of gun safety is to always assume a gun is loaded, and the second one is never point a gun at anyone unless you fully intend to shoot them. He taught me gun safety rules long ago when he took me shooting (at targets). A prop gun, since they are capable of holding live ammo and killing people, is not a toy.

He thinks Alec Baldwin is at fault, too, because he thinks Alec Baldwin has been around the block a time or two and knows about gun safety and the like. I don't know what Alec Baldwin actually knows about guns and gun safety, so I don't have an opinion. And frankly, I don't care. Not my monkey, not my circus. I didn't even think about gun safety rules, though, until my husband brought it up.
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My dad and granddad taught me those same three rules when I was a kiddo. And woe betide anyone who was caught disregarding them!
 
I think Alec Baldwin is a brilliant actor but a miserable human being. The drunken video ranting at his daughter proves this. He even said to his wife in the shooting interview, "Excuse me!" when she was trying to talk. Not surprising, since "Hilaria" is just as opinionated and self-obsessed as he is. They are made for each other. I do feel terrible for him due to the circumstances but I do think this is the end of his career.
 
I can't understand why any movie company would have an operating weapon a 100 miles from any set. There is absolutely no reason a prop gun needs to fire a real bullet. The fact that actors will be "shooting" at each other, you don't have operating guns on set. You don't even need blanks, you add sound, and effects in post production. They are going to do this, anyway.
 
Do you suppose someone put the real bullet in there for some unknown reason but how do you prove this? Wanting him to look bad - some people just do evil things. Very tragic story.
jerry old said:
This accidental shooting is not the event that sent my mind whirling with a sense of outrage.
It's the number of attacks on my psyche that have occurred in the last three decades.
The Wanton Killings, the theft of millions by banks and individuals with little or no punishment.

We know the Alex Badlwin will be ruled ACCIDENTAL-that is probably a correct ruling-but a person is DEAD; What Of Her.
you want to explain it was 'A Accident!

The rape on the subway.
The killings which are daily fare on the news broadcast...

Where is our sense of Outrage concerning the society we live in...
We have been 'offendefd beyond endurance, yet we do nothing.
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I agree with everything you are saying - we have two tiers of justice systems in this country - one for us and one for the elite crooks. Nothing is being done about so many rapes, killings, etc and in CA and other places they are opening up the prisons - where is the outrage and where is the outrage for all these immigrants coming without proper vetting? Some of them are carrying diseases we don't have here? Some aren't even being checked for covid? Where is the outrage - I am glad I am a senior and when my time is up glory alleluia. I hope I get to go to heaven which will be better than living here on earth and seeing all these injustices. Some senators are being threatened if they don't vote right - they will do anything to get the right vote. We would be shocked if we really knew all the real details. It is a very scary world now. Sorry to be so negative - but I just see what I see - there are plenty of good people but the evil number is getting bigger every day because there is no justice done. If a person gets punished for a crime then that would show me some encouragement. But so far it's not happening.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I can't understand why any movie company would have an operating weapon a 100 miles from any set. There is absolutely no reason a prop gun needs to fire a real bullet. The fact that actors will be "shooting" at each other, you don't have operating guns on set. You don't even need blanks, you add sound, and effects in post production. They are going to do this, anyway.
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Movie production involves lots of "Down Time" where there is nothing to do. A few days ago, a report said the actors were plinking during breaks. For non shooters, "Plinking" is fun-type shooting at various objects - tin cans, etc. Of course real ammo is used for plinking.
Whoever was in charge of firearms on that set didn't check the gun for live ammo before handing it to Mr. Baldwin.
But you are right; there shouldn't have been any live ammo anywhere near the movie set.
 
win231 said:
A few days ago, a report said the actors were plinking during breaks. For non shooters, "Plinking" is fun-type shooting at various objects - tin cans, etc. Of course real ammo is used for plinking.
Whoever was in charge of firearms on that set didn't check the gun for live ammo before handing it to Mr. Baldwin.
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It is sounding like this is the breakdown. I am sure there is a lot of investigating going on to figure out the details of who did what.

I have been guilty of "plinking", but always checked the gun when I was done to be sure it was empty, and followed other basic gun safety. As an adult anyway, have a long sad story about the first time I shot a gun, not safe at all, but luckily no one was hurt. I was about 11 years old.

Even if Baldwin had not known about the plinking and was told the gun was safe he is still at fault for not checking the gun himself and for pointing at a person. Others may be guilty of worse, but that doesn't excuse what Baldwin did, nothing does.
 
Alligatorob said:
It is sounding like this is the breakdown. I am sure there is a lot of investigating going on to figure out the details of who did what.

I have been guilty of "plinking", but always checked the gun when I was done to be sure it was empty, and followed other basic gun safety. As an adult anyway, have a long sad story about the first time I shot a gun, not safe at all, but luckily no one was hurt. I was about 11 years old.

Even if Baldwin had not known about the plinking and was told the gun was safe he is still at fault for not checking the gun himself and for pointing at a person. Others may be guilty of worse, but that doesn't excuse what Baldwin did, nothing does.
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I despise Baldwin but if you have someone on set who's job is to ensure the gun is safe and he tells Baldwin its safe I don't think its Baldwin's responsibility to check it himself. He's a (bad) actor he may have no gun knowledge whatsoever. I guarantee 99.99% of actors don't check their guns on set. This one just turned out badly
 
garyt1957 said:
Does it matter? It was a gun accident and Baldwin had a grand ole time with it. I'm sure the guy who got shot wasn't happy about it.
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Well I do kind of think that death is a more serious consequence than an injury. This doesn't mean I condone making light of it. Like I said...I don't even watch SNL.
 
Hopefully, from now on there will be much stricter enforcement of gun safety in movies, TV shows, and plays. In this day and age, I don't see why real guns with real ammunition (blanks or not) still have to be used. Surely, we have the technology to simulate gunfire.
 
garyt1957 said:
I despise Baldwin but if you have someone on set who's job is to ensure the gun is safe and he tells Baldwin its safe I don't think its Baldwin's responsibility to check it himself. He's a (bad) actor he may have no gun knowledge whatsoever. I guarantee 99.99% of actors don't check their guns on set. This one just turned out badly
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That's right. Besides, if actors are supposed to check guns, why would any movie production need to hire & pay gun experts to do it?
 
There was a story today theorizing that a disgruntled worker put live rounds in the gun to sabotage the production, which is what I thought might have happened. That's the only thing that makes sense, other than gross incompetence. We shall see.
 
garyt1957 said:
I despise Baldwin but if you have someone on set who's job is to ensure the gun is safe and he tells Baldwin its safe I don't think its Baldwin's responsibility to check it himself.
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win231 said:
That's right. Besides, if actors are supposed to check guns, why would any movie production need to hire & pay gun experts to do it?
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Look back to posts 124 and 125. The movie industry has gun safety guidelines and Baldwin violated them. These points are summarized from movie industry guidelines cited in the earlier posts:
  • Blanks can kill. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded
  • Refrain from pointing a firearm at yourself or anyone else
  • Never place your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot
  • Anyone involved in using a firearm must be thoroughly briefed at an on-set safety meeting
There is no exception for actors having been told a gun was safe.
 
Alligatorob said:
Look back to posts 124 and 125. The movie industry has gun safety guidelines and Baldwin violated them. These points are summarized from movie industry guidelines cited in the earlier posts:
  • Blanks can kill. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded
  • Refrain from pointing a firearm at yourself or anyone else
  • Never place your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot
  • Anyone involved in using a firearm must be thoroughly briefed at an on-set safety meeting
There is no exception for actors having been told a gun was safe.
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Not quite. Rules 3 & 4 are valid in real life; not in movie production. During movie production, it is necessary to point guns at others:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/25/opinions/film-set-guns-safety-brown/index.html

"It's not just about keeping the cast and crew safe when there are firearms present on set. We make sure people know the weapon itself is safe to use. Once we inspect a firearm to make sure it is empty and ready to handle, we show it to both the actor who is going to work with it and any other cast members who may have the empty firearm pointed at them. On film sets, the person most responsible for safety is usually the First Assistant Director, and as a result they will also inspect the firearm -- a task the director, producer, camera operator or cinematographer may oversee, too."
 
Alligatorob said:
The rules I cited were written for and by the movie industry.
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Well......The article's author has worked in the movie industry for years: (in reality, you can't make a movie where people get shot without pointing guns at others).

"Dave Brown is a firearms safety specialist and professional instructor based in Winnipeg Canada. Brown has trained military units, government agencies and police officers on safety and advanced firearms handling skills, has worked with hundreds of actors on film and theatre sets, and helped write the online training course on firearms safety for theatre and film technicians across North America. The views expressed here are his own. Read more opinion on CNN."
 

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