An eye for an eye

Depends on the circumstances. I could not condemn a child soldier to death for taking the life of another. Or a young teen who participated in a crime along with older people.

Karla Holmolka if anyone recalls the name, well it burns me to a crisp that she is walking the streets leading a comfortable life.
 

horseless carriage said:
Actually, Holly, I contacted a police officer that I know just to be sure. Armed response units are trained officers that attend incidents where life is endangered. Only those officers that have been trained carry firearms.
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yes in this instance there was 12 holding up a house calling for a man to come out with his arms up, because his wife said he was going to ''kill her'' after finding out she was being unfaithful ( 12 ?) ...apparently it was a lie, and the man was released the very same day..( I know these people vicariously) but I watched the arrest with my own eyes this was just 3 months ago
 
Lee said:
Depends on the circumstances. I could not condemn a child soldier to death for taking the life of another. Or a young teen who participated in a crime along with older people.

Karla Holmolka if anyone recalls the name, well it burns me to a crisp that she is walking the streets leading a comfortable life.
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never heard of her Lee, just looked her up..OMG !!!! pity Canada doesn't have the death sentence 🤬
 

Lee said:
Depends on the circumstances. I could not condemn a child soldier to death for taking the life of another. Or a young teen who participated in a crime along with older people.

Karla Holmolka if anyone recalls the name, well it burns me to a crisp that she is walking the streets leading a comfortable life.
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You and me both, Lee.
 
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john danson said:
Turning the other cheek usually gets you hit in the other cheek.No justice no peace.
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I don't know if you are, really don't care, but if by some reason you do call yourself a Christian, you are not. Anyone who uses Jesus' words to contradict his words aren't Christians. ps, I am not which may be why I can see things like this so clearly.
 
peramangkelder said:
We are all aware that the crime rate has increased since the abolition of corporal punishment....in Australia anyway
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I'd love to see the statistics on that.

Here in the US violent crime rates have generally been going down since about the early to mid 70's. Property crime rates have gone up though. I forget about what their trajectory has been though. I think they went down for a while and then started going up again.
 
peramangkelder said:
We are all aware that the crime rate has increased since the abolition of corporal punishment....in Australia anyway
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I just looked up the Australian crime statistics which are summarized here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Australia .

Some of the entries in the article:

Between the 1989-1990 and 2013-2014 statistical years, the national homicide rate decreased from 1.8 per 100,000 people to 1 per 100,000.[14] There were 238 homicide incidents in Australia in 2013-14 compared with 307 in 1989–90.[15] From the National Australian Homicide Monitoring program report 2012: "The homicide rate has continued to decrease each year, since 1989-90. The periods 2010–2011 and 2011–2012 are the lowest homicide rate since data collection began in 1989"

So for homicides what you're aware of is incorrect unless there has been a huge spike between 2014 and now.

I think that it's been shown that we tend to be more aware of crimes than we used to be as opposed to there being more crimes. So many people think the crime rate has gone up as opposed to their knowledge of crimes in their areas going up.
 
Pepper said:
I don't know if you are, really don't care, but if by some reason you do call yourself a Christian, you are not. Anyone who uses Jesus' words to contradict his words aren't Christians. ps, I am not which may be why I can see things like this so clearly.
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My statement was not meant as a religious contradiction but as a secular observation,and it's not for you to make judgements on my religious status.So you "see things so clearly" because you're not Christian ? That kind of hubris is disturbing.
 
Gardenlover said:
Do you believe in an eye for an eye justice system? Why or why not?

My thoughts are don't do the crime if you can't pay the price.
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I am not sure that things are always simple enough to apply this rational sounding approach to justice. In principal, an eye for an eye sounds good, but when you dig into the details things can get muddy in a hurry.

I will certainly agree that all too often, lawbreakers are not sufficiently punished to dissuade them from doing it again. I have also seen cases where the punishment is unduly harsh.

A truly informed opinion is difficult for me to come up with despite having served as head of military court martial boards, as a Jag investigator, and as a Commanding Officer. There is no simple answer, only lots of questions before passing judgement, and still you hope that you got it right.
 
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Aunt Marg said:
I cant help but think about the poor individual who was in perfect health, happy, well-adjusted, held down a promising job, and was heading for a promising career, had dreams, goals, and ambitions, possibly a wife or husband, maybe children, and all that was taken away from them by some societal scum that woke up one morning and decided that he or she was going to throw acid in someone's face.

That same person who was full of life is now blind, horribly disfigured, they have months, possible years of rehabilitation and therapy ahead of them, their spouse left them, and all of the goals, dreams, and ambitions they once had are now gone forever.

But the societal scum that did this, not so. He/she is caught, convicted, and charged accordingly, and they receive a sentence, however, 5-10 years after being locked-up, they're released, partially due to good behaviour, and partially due to the fact legal experts claim that the criminal has been rehabilitated, has remorse, and so life carries on for them just as normal as ever, just as it did prior to their heinous crime against another human being, and while the poor person that sustained the acid attack, their life will never be the same, the perpetrator walks freely, lives freely, and life is good once again for them.

Rubbish.
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There is no such thing as societal scum. People are not scum, ever.
 
Rosemarie said:
If criminals were simply handed over to the victims and their families to deal with, then we might get real justice for a change......and none of this 'I forgive them' nonsense.
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Often times the victims and their families forgive the criminal, sounds like a dose of Christianity by some, true believers. This is always where I have an problem. We expect forgiveness from our various gods and belief systems for our failures, but harshly judge others for their failures.

Calling people scum,🤮, by another poster. Harsh words from the Bible. I am sure if someone’s adult child, on the forum, commits a crime they will not want a death sentence for that child. “Those without sin, cast the first stone.” Seems to be a lot of stone casting on the thread.
 
Gardenlover said:
Do you believe in an eye for an eye justice system? Why or why not?

My thoughts are don't do the crime if you can't pay the price.
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There are a wide variety of crimes. The justice system in America tries to deal with them but can fall short.
The attitude of people is another factor that plays into what justice is. Lets use theft as an example

Poor family is robbed of their TV & appliances
Wealthy family is robbed of their TV & appliances.

Same crime but how does the average person look at that & what punishment would be just?
 
JonDouglas said:
I am reminded of the time when innocent children were free to run around, walk to school and play without fear. When you figure out why that's no longer true, you may get a little closer to some answer to the OP's question.
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Good point. I'm sure people are still the same, but crime has increased. The same crimes were being committed, but less frequently. Apart from the poor justice system, I think the current trend in child-rearing has a lot to do with it. Children are given less guidance and discipline these days, not just at home but at school too.
I don't know how much influence religion has, but it is a fact that church schools have much higher standards than state schools. Where I live, there are a large variety of schools and the schools run by the church have much greater academic success as well as better behaved pupils.
 
If you are willing to throw the switch that executes the miscreant, then your vote is valid.
If you favor execution, but are not willing to throw the switch-your vote is invalid
 

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