And the shootings go on and on , and on, and on...

I can't let this pass without comment.
rgp said:
People keep crying do something.........And again I ask, do what ?
Whatever is to be done must be uniform across the entire country. Legislation needs to be measured and unable to be circumvented by crossing state lines.
Suggestions/demands......... end all gun sales, OK, and just how long do we think that will take . That will require a change in / amendment to, the constitution . Then the next thing will be the states appeals, etc. It would take 300 years for it to take effect .......... And make allot of rich lawyers along the way.
End all gun sales? Of course that won't work. No-one in their right mind would suggest that. If that is what you are hearing, there is something wrong with your ears.
Next cry is to take away all existing guns. ....... OK, be ready for one of the bloodiest conflicts in American history......many,many innocents will die, on both sides of the conflict.
Again, no-one is going to take away all existing guns but certain guns should be restricted to law enforcement and the military. Those that are already in general circulation are a problem and need to be dealt with.
Then comes, gun buy-back.....yeah right, like that will happen.
Look to other countries. It has happened where I live and people did co-operate even though some resented it at first. Some people I know vowed to bury their rifles as the Scots did with their claymores but in the end they decided to remain law abiding citizens by registering their weapons. Very few needed to be confiscated because hunting weapons are perfectly allowable.
There is virtually nothing that can be done when some half crazed/fully crazed person decides that the taking of someone else's life, or the lives of several someone else's is somehow going to correct what he sees as wrong in their own life.
Not true. If firearms are licensed and registered and a person is exhibiting dangerous or threatening behaviour then, if reported to the police, something can be done.
IMO , once again , the only thing that makes any sense is swift & sure prosecution & severe punishment after such horrible incidents . And again let the public know that it has happened. Maybe then, these people will realize what is waiting for them , and ........ they will die at the hand of the people ....... so-to-speak................jmo
Most massacres end in the death of the shooter or their permanent incarceration. It does not seem to be much of a deterrent. US is currently up to about 300 mass shootings so far this year. Doing nothing and hiding heads in the sand is useless if the object is to reduce the death toll.
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rgp said:
People keep crying do something.........And again I ask, do what ?

Suggestions/demands......... end all gun sales, OK, and just how long do we think that will take . That will require a change in / amendment to, the constitution . Then the next thing will be the states appeals, etc. It would take 300 years for it to take effect .......... And make allot of rich lawyers along the way.

Next cry is to take away all existing guns. ....... OK, be ready for one of the bloodiest conflicts in American history......many,many innocents will die, on both sides of the conflict.

Then comes, gun buy-back.....yeah right, like that will happen.

There is virtually nothing that can be done when some half crazed/fully crazed person decides that the taking of someone else's life, or the lives of several someone else's is somehow going to correct what he sees as wrong in their own life.

IMO , once again , the only thing that makes any sense is swift & sure prosecution & severe punishment after such horrible incidents . And again let the public know that it has happened. Maybe then, these people will realize what is waiting for them , and ........ they will die at the hand of the people ....... so-to-speak................jmo
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After the fact is no solution at all.And I know you won't agree with me but no one needs an AR type of rifle other than a military. That seems to be the weapon of choice for mass murders. Please don't give me that argument that vehicles kill more people. I don't agree that there will be a bloody conflict over it.
 

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Warrigal said:
I can't let this pass without comment.
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I can't let your comments pass without rebuttal......


Things are different here than in your country...........

You said ........" Most massacres end in the death of the shooter or their permanent incarceration. It does not seem to be much of a deterrent."

IMO, it is the fame these killers want.

"Not true. If firearms are licensed and registered and a person is exhibiting dangerous or threatening behaviour then, if reported to the police, something can be done. "

One of the latest killers displayed as a loving brother, just hours before he killed his sister.


"Look to other countries. It has happened where I live and people did co-operate even though some resented it at first. Some people I know vowed to bury their rifles as the Scots did with their claymores but in the end they decided to remain law abiding citizens by registering their weapons. Very few needed to be confiscated because hunting weapons are perfectly allowable. "

Again, things are different here....it would never work.


"End all gun sales? Of course that won't work. No-one in their right mind would suggest that. If that is what you are hearing, there is something wrong with your ears. "

There is nothing wrong with my ears. That is exactly what has been suggested, even demanded. I live here, you do not , please do not try & tell me what I hear quite often on our news, talk radio, etc.
 
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I certainly have little or no answers to today's society and arms control as a deterrent.
Seems if guns aren't available, bombs/explosives are very makeable
What I do know, is when some renegades came around my place in the hills to try to terrorize me and mine, I shot back.
Never challenged again in the remaining years at the cabin.

I'd be pro carry...anywhere, but too many cowboys with itchy trigger fingers
 
Gary O' said:
I certainly have little or no answers to today's society and arms control as a deterrent.
Seems if guns aren't available, bombs/explosives are very makeable
What I do know, is when some renegades came around my place in the hills to try to terrorize me and mine, I shot back.
Never challenged again in the remaining years at the cabin.

I'd be pro carry...anywhere, but too many cowboys with itchy trigger fingers
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No expert here either but .......... which is the more dangerous ? the "carry cowboy" or the stealthy whack-job.....I wonder?
 
rgp said:
Things are different here than in your country...........

You said ........" Most massacres end in the death of the shooter or their permanent incarceration. It does not seem to be much of a deterrent."

IMO, it is the fame these killers want.

"Not true. If firearms are licensed and registered and a person is exhibiting dangerous or threatening behaviour then, if reported to the police, something can be done. "

One of the latest killers displayed as a loving brother, just hours before he killed his sister.


"Look to other countries. It has happened where I live and people did co-operate even though some resented it at first. Some people I know vowed to bury their rifles as the Scots did with their claymores but in the end they decided to remain law abiding citizens by registering their weapons. Very few needed to be confiscated because hunting weapons are perfectly allowable. "

Again, things are different here....it would never work.


"End all gun sales? Of course that won't work. No-one in their right mind would suggest that. If that is what you are hearing, there is something wrong with your ears. "

There is nothing wrong with my ears. That is exactly what has been suggested, even demanded. I live here, you do not , please do not try & tell me what I hear quite often on our news, talk radio, etc.
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You don't know if he killed his sister on purpose.
rgp said:
Didn't someone just say something about asinine comments not helping ?
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There's a lot of truth in what I stated about males being the marauders and it's never old guys. Why is there an age limit? Insults accomplish nothing.
 
rgp said:
No expert here either but .......... which is the more dangerous ? the "carry cowboy" or the stealthy whack-job.....I wonder?
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Haven't had to deal with the 'carry cowboy', but my imagination sees some parking lot scenarios

My limited considerations go to quick resolution
End 'em early, on the spot
No trial
No glory
No whys (poor things)

Rather clean

It may be after the fact for that incidence, but I'm talking next times

Maybe sharpshooters in shopping malls...sounds extreme, but I think we're there
 
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Camper6 said:
That is extreme to say the least. Third world country style.
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And 2-3 hundred mass killings in a year isn't?

I'm for doing......something


Not good at hand wringing


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I don't think a guard or two with marksman skills in every big mall, and even schools is such a rash thing
Not now
Maybe some years back
But, not now

If I were king, I'd declare war on those goofballs
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I'd give 'em as much mercy as they give
None
Take a few out
Bag and tag
No hoopla

...see what the stats are then
 
I think the goofballs would welcome a shoot out. They would go looking for it to demonstrate their heavy equipment and 100 round magazines.

Walmart should install metal detecting entrances like airports.

Are we there at that stage yet? Check them in. They are already checking them out.
 
How about:
1. Legislation that would limit the type of guns Americans could possess
2. Meaningful background checks
3. Disallow the manufacture of certain assault weapons, except for those used by the military and law enforcement
4. Gun owners could not possess a gun that used a detachable magazine
5. Maximum size magazine would be 10 bullets
6. Mandate that all gun owners be required to complete a safety course
7. Any prior felon caught having a gun in their possession would automatically be returned to prison to serve out the remainder of any sentence and if there was no sentence to serve out, a minimum sentence of 15 years would be imposed, plus fine if found guilty
8. Heavy jail sentence and fine for anyone breaking any of the above stated rules

Even imposing these rules would not guarantee that there would never be another mass shooting. But, it’s a start, a foothold, if you will. Something to build on.
 
treeguy64 said:
There is no solution to runaway population growth, except to discourage or legally prohibit the large families that keep expanding, unconscionably. China had a good idea that was implemented poorly, and then modified over time.

As far as identifying those who may become crazed serial killers, it comes down to informing the correct parties when you come across those who are showing signs of being deeply disturbed and dangerous to themselves and others.

Ultimately, there probably will not be a solution. Our species seems to be rushing towards its end. I expect that mass murders will become daily occurrences, in the coming years, and we will adjust as best we can.
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I used to worry terribly over this, too. Eventually I stopped listening to headlines and started doing some research. Turns out that the solution to bringing population growth down to roughly replacement rates is well known among statisticians. Educate a population, particularly the girls, provide access to birth control, lower the infant mortality rate, and the birth rate drops like a rock. The data proves this without exception. Regardless of government system, religious bent or geographical region.

https://ourworldindata.org/fertility-rate
 
Camper6 said:
You don't know if he killed his sister on purpose.

There's a lot of truth in what I stated about males being the marauders and it's never old guys. Why is there an age limit? Insults accomplish nothing.
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"You don't know if he killed his sister on purpose."

He killed her first so..........
 
It turns out the shooter who went on a driving killing spree in Texas was recently fired and contacted the authorities before his spree. That's anger management and lack of coping skills.

Part of the issue in the US is the pace of life where many have grown to expect instant satisfaction to their problems. Many also can't handle disappointment or non lethal negative events hence many drug addicts and alcoholics. It's not the thing people use to display their rage and anger is that they want to physically do it in the first place. Throw in those ginned up politically, socially, economically etc there are too many that are out there ready to pop like this driving killer.

https://www.dailypress.com/nation-w...0190901-xvbqch45yrf4xo4el2ldxhleva-story.html
 
StarSong said:
If he hadn't had a weapon in his vehicle this event would likely have unfolded as an unremarkable traffic stop or at most, a police chase.
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That's an 'if'. The fact that he wants to kill others is the issue. He could've gone on a car ramming spree which could've been just a deadly. Or done nothing for days and simmered started manufacturing bombs and morph his personal injustice into a political cause.
 
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