Another government program that is a disgrace!

StarSong said:
No. I mean the Baby Boomer generation. And the "Greatest Generation" had plenty of its own flaws, too.
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First you say generations ..... now you say one in particular. BTW which generation are you ? And what exactly did the Baby Boomers do, to bring about this evil that is plaguing our nation ?
 

StarSong said:
That's a truly harsh assessment of a largely responsible, bright, hard-working generation that is trying desperately to right a world that previous generations have all but permanently destroyed.

There are examples of bad behavior in any group, but just as Boomers detested the unfair generalizing of our generation, please resist the temptation to paint young people with a single brush.

I, for one, have great hope that Millennials and beyond will start to undo the terrible damage earlier generations have done to our environment and government.
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Star...didn't mean it in a "non hard working generation" way, just meant the lengths some of them might have to work to in order to achieve. Think college costs are out of control and the school loans, please. Agree with you about the government issues, of course. Every generation has its good and bad...honestly I do think this current young generation will probably have to work harder than we did to progress. And we worked hard!
 
Liberty said:
Every generation has its good and bad...
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True, and even within each generation all people are not the same. That's perfectly obvious when you look at life today in any country. Humans evolved in tribes and each tribe thought they were better than any other tribe. Human beings have not changed and never will unless we become robots. You can say that the U.S. as a whole is a tribe, but actually made up of many tribes who differ from each other tremendously. All you have to do to prove that is look at the news of today and also people with their differing ideas on any forum.
 

Olivia said:
True, and even within each generation all people are not the same. That's perfectly obvious when you look at life today in any country. Humans evolved in tribes and each tribe thought they were better than any other tribe. Human beings have not changed and never will unless we become robots. You can say that the U.S. as a whole is a tribe, but actually made up of many tribes who differ from each other tremendously. All you have to do to prove that is look at the news of today and also people with their differing ideas on any forum.
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Olivia...reminds me of my friend, who is a Bulgarian, but works for the UN (WHO) and lives in Geneva. We had wonderful times, and were blessed with being able personally to help the Bulgarian orphans after the fall of the Communist party in the 80's. She was our personal friend and "boots on the ground" to be sure the kids got the shoes, clothes, toys, and other needed stuff and she came to the US a couple times with WHO, where we met and talked.

Remember a conversation we had sitting on the front porch of a hotel in Stone Mountain, Georgia, where she is said, since her boss was over 51 nations, she'd noticed the fact that every country thought their country was the better or "chosen" country. I was in a fun mood, so told her that I thought America was chosen to have all these different ethnic people living together - as an experiment to see if we could live together and didn't do away with each other.

Then, she laughed and pointed to the statues carved into Stone Mountain and ask who they were. I told her there was General Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee and the last one was
Elvis!
 
"....It seems as though the common denominator for most of this country’s problems over the years has been the government. People have the power to hold government accountable but they don’t....".

That's (in part) because less than half the country bothers to vote.
 
treeguy64 said:
I just listened to a news piece on the following program, so some of the details may not be exactly correct, depending on how thoroughly the news team did their research.

In the piece, details were given about a loan forgiveness program the US Government has for students who take jobs in the public sector, like teaching and nursing. According to the piece, 99% of people who apply are rejected! Unbelievable.

Where this piece hit home, for me: A young lady who is trying to get into the program, after getting her doctorate in Biology, and going into teaching, bemoaned how nobody who works for the program knows what they're taking about, each time she calls to check on her app, which has been repeatedly rejected. She said that without the loan forgiveness program, she will be in debt until she's sixty-two!

I can relate to her experience of dealing with ignorant government program workers: When I applied to increase my social security benefits, I dealt with seven agents. I was given information that was 100% wrong, by six of them! Different agents told me opposite things. My projected, monthly increase varied from four hundred to eight hundred dollars, with some agents telling me that I'd get a back payment check of up to eight thousand dollars! When I became an expert on my own case, and calculated I'd get about an extra one hundred dollars a month, with no back payment check, I kept demanding an agent who specialized in cases like mine, and finally got one. Her figures were within ten dollars of mine, and that's what I now am expecting, starting this month. It took five months to straighten out my case.

I empathize with those who are trying to get into the program, as above. I can only imagine their frustration as they get different information from different agents. Been there, done that!

The whole government bureaucracy trip is getting much worse, as our population swells. Totally unqualified, ignorant workers are hired to simply fill spaces. Training is terrible or non-existent. The US Mail system started heading into the toilet in the 70's, when mandatory hiring policies put folks in post offices who could barely read or speak proper English. To this day, I get mail for the house next door to me, and a house down the street gets my mail, such is the ignorance of mail carriers, these days.

Have you had tear your hair out dealings with your government's programs? Did you get things resolved to your satisfaction? How did you do so? How long did it take?
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You got that right.....They are not trained properly which as you say makes them unqualified ... The IRS is just as bad.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I guess I've led a charmed life, I've never had a problem with the federal government or any of its agencies.

As far as the student loan crisis goes it's just another glimpse of people in America living beyond their means and not taking responsibility for their actions.

Now just to confuse you all I am in favor of free college tuition for kids that successfully complete a degree program at a local community or state college even though I will have to pick up a portion of the tab for it.
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Not me I have no desire to pay for someone’s college education they can do it the way I did busting my butt!
 
Lc jones said:
No offense I’m just tired of people sitting on their butts and I’m expected to take care of them that’s all ✌
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Me, either. We raised 5 children and sent them all to school the old fashioned way... we saved for it and then the kids got jobs to help pay their way. NO loans, and no waiting for a handout. I've paid for all the educations that were my responsibility, and I don't plan to pay for any more.
 
Lc jones said:
No offense I’m just tired of people sitting on their butts and I’m expected to take care of them that’s all ✌
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No offense taken.

I believe that many of the well-intentioned social programs that have been developed over my lifetime have neglected the need for continuing education and a work component to qualify for benefits.

Providing all young people with a solid education or skill would help break the cycle of poverty and violence in our country.

Over time the only way to reduce the costs of government and increase government revenue is to get more people leading productive self-sufficient lives.
 
I'm all for people leading productive self-sufficient lives; I get that.

But not all kids have parents who can afford to pay cash for their college education. Many parents work minimum wage jobs just to provide the basics. Some parents (and kids) have to bust THEIR butts on several low paying jobs. For these people saving is out of the question.
 
applecruncher said:
I'm all for people leading productive self-sufficient lives; I get that.

But not all kids have parents who can afford to pay cash for their college education. Many parents work minimum wage jobs just to provide the basics. Some parents (and kids) have to bust THEIR butts on several low paying jobs. For these people saving is out of the question.
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I get it too.

My response involved another person's response to one of my earlier posts:

"Now just to confuse you all I am in favor of free college tuition for kids that successfully complete a degree program at a local community or state college even though I will have to pick up a portion of the tab for it." - Aunt Bea
 
I think bringing back more technology classes to high schools to prepare students for a means to support themselves would be a good move. A college education is not for everyone, so training in a skill might be a better idea.
 
I read some of the replies but didn't see if anyone mentioned the fact that government workers are all forgiven on their Student Loans I believe?? Sorry if I missed something in the thread, but I thought that was a bunch of crap that only government employees get that break :(
 
Ken N Tx said:
I talked with a carpenter friend and he is sad that many young people can not read a tape measure!!
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Good point @Ken N Tx because I went to Community College and was really disappointed in the "quality" of the teaching. Not blaming the teachers, just the "programs" themselves. It was like 3 years of learning crammed into 1 semester imo. I've retained little of the Mathematics course or the English Composition I was "required" to do along with my electives. Part of that is I don't use enough of either, but it was so dang fast-paced I really didn't retain it. And as someone mentioned, the books were ridiculously priced! Reselling them was like a joke because they keep putting out new editions that are required to buy :(
 
Ken N Tx said:
I talked with a carpenter friend and he is sad that many young people can not read a tape measure!!
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Try a youngin' with a non-digital micrometer , or vernier caliper ......... same thing.

But then, what's the point of progress, if we do not use it ? I mean @ one time the "cubit" & hand was the standard of measurement. [We] never learned that either.
 

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