Another religious thread of speculation

Speculation #1x10 to the 9999th power.

The discussion about if there is a God or not starts from a person having some thought about their conception of this question. First there is no mountain ( God ), then there is. The thought becomes language and then shared with someone else. When that thought/notion of God is born we have the beginning of religion.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Speculation #1x10 to the 9999th power.

The discussion about if there is a God or not starts from a person having some thought about their conception of this question. First there is no mountain ( God ), then there is. The thought becomes language and then shared with someone else. When that thought/notion of God is born we have the beginning of religion.
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Sadly enough, that also becomes the beginning of the separation between peoples. How do we fix that?
 
Olivia said:
Sadly enough, that also becomes the beginning of the separation between peoples. How do we fix that?
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Many people do not realize this is happening and believe that their thoughts are "reality". After that, there is not much anyone else can do to change that. So first people need to become aware of their own thought processes. From when each thought forms, how it forms, what shape that it takes, what meanings can this thought produce. Once we are aware of our thoughts when can choose to use them in our lives or not.
 
I think the need to believe in God is necessary for more attached people, especially parents. Well attached Parents, IMO, have, perhaps a biological driven need, to be reunited with their children. To be there not only in life but in death as well.

And well attached children have a need to be reunited with their parents. Even abused children have a need to reunite with abusive parents both in life and death. To gain what therapist refer to as closure.

Religion, IMO, does not matter.

As for the non-believers, who believe death is the end, perhaps the non-believers find life more of a challenge and are less attached to the world of relatives and friends. Preferring the “till death do us part“ scenario. Idk.

I do know that everyone is entitled to believe what they wish.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Many people do not realize this is happening and believe that their thoughts are "reality". After that, there is not much anyone else can do to change that. So first people need to become aware of their own thought processes. From when each thought forms, how it forms, what shape that it takes, what meanings can this thought produce. Once we are aware of our thoughts when can choose to use them in our lives or not.
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Yes. And that would mean having a thought, backing up, and trying again. We're not taught that way. I signed up for a college course PHILOSOPHY 101. I was excited and really looked forward to the course. Then the professor walked in tand and looked at us like he hoped we would all disappear and said that if we were going to cancel the class we should do it today. I got up, walked out of the room.and cancelled the class. I'm no fool.
 
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Olivia said:
Sadly enough, that also becomes the beginning of the separation between peoples. How do we fix that?
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There is always a certain amount of separation because we are all individuals, even in a marriage or a family, but I think the separation you are alluding to here is more of a wedge of alienation that is stronger than the bond that holds us together. IMO, the way we fix that is by not trying to change others to be like us or think like us. We have all done it, and I'm not sure why, but perhaps it's about control.

Sadly, the result is two forces pushing against each other. The more we push, the more resistance happens. Maybe we don't like the discomfort of some perceived threat to our belief, and we see it as a challenge. I think most of the time, we simply cannot understand why they could believe what they do. It doesn't make sense to us. However, believing we are right all the time won't open the door to seeing validity in another's perspective.

In my view, only we have the ability to change ourselves, and it has to come from within, and keeping an open mind to the possibility we may be wrong. It is not our job to change others or make them think like us. We can respect their belief, even if we don't agree, and resist the urge to change them. It's not a contest, and we need to just relax and find common ground instead of focusing on the difference.

As for me, I have stated before that I am a work in progress, and still learning new things. Having philosophical and religious discussions are mind stimulating to me. I thoroughly enjoy it, but I don't do well when it comes to confrontation, as I tend to get defensive, and I suspect most are that way.

Anyway, thanks for looking for ways to unite people rather than separate them. The world needs more of that effort. Changing others rarely works, and isn't even necessary, but we can still overlook those differences if we make that choice to do so.
 
Olivia said:
I think it's because you're thinking spirit and others are thinking Adam and Eve.
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True. I guess I could best describe my concept as energy. I don't know if that qualifies as spirit, but perhaps it's just semantics. As for the God of the Bible, it can be a bit confusing as God is described as spirit, but in other parts he is spoken of as having human form, such as walking in the garden, making "us" in his image, having eyes, sitting at his right hand, etc..., but I think most just interpret those passages as figures of speech.
 
If you believe god, jesus, holy spirit etc these things are real to you. If you do not, obviously these things are not real to you. What is the big deal? What you believe is personal so who cares what other people believe? Think for yourself and make your own decision. I am still sorting things out and my posts are a reflection of me processing through things.
I appreciate everyone's input however, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, I am just thinking...of a number between one and ten. You are correct.
 
bobcat said:
True. I guess I could best describe my concept as energy. I don't know if that qualifies as spirit, but perhaps it's just semantics. As for the God of the Bible, it can be a bit confusing as God is described as spirit, but in other parts he is spoken of as having human form, such as walking in the garden, making "us" in his image, having eyes, sitting at his right hand, etc..., but I think most just interpret those passages as figures of speech.
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Metaphors. To assist our understanding.
 
bobcat said:
There is always a certain amount of separation because we are all individuals, even in a marriage or a family, but I think the separation you are alluding to here is more of a wedge of alienation that is stronger than the bond that holds us together. IMO, the way we fix that is by not trying to change others to be like us or think like us. We have all done it, and I'm not sure why, but perhaps it's about control.
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It's about survival and keeping safe distance from the hordes. The 'outlandish' savages.
 
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