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Rainee said:
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts ... from Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia .


I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:
* Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent ...
* Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent ...
* Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!


In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!


While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.


Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns ...' what do you make of this .. its not the guns that are the problem its the people who use them ! agree with me ?
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Now give me the stats for mass murders like the one that took place in Por Arthur and spurred the government to enact gun reform.

And how about a link to your statistics.

Percentages mean nothing.If one murder is the record and another takes place it's a 100 percent increase.
 

Here you are, Bob.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...gs-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091

The mass shooting that prompted Australia’s crackdown happened in Tasmania, in 1996, when 28-year-old Martin Bryant shot and killed 35 people in a café. Another 23 were injured.

Just weeks before, a gun enthusiast shot and killed 16 screaming first-graders and their teacher in an elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland. Britain enacted a handgun ban soon afterwards.

Australia already had strict rules about handguns, but a revolted public backed wider reforms that banned rapid-fire long guns and forced the buyback of nearly 660,000 weapons.

Chapman’s team analyzed death statistics to see what effect the laws have had.

“Following enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings through May 2016."

“From 1979-1996 (before gun law reforms), 13 fatal mass shootings occurred in Australia, whereas from 1997 through May 2016 (after gun law reforms), no fatal mass shootings occurred,” they wrote.

They were able to show that people didn’t find other ways to kill or to die by suicide — rates of homicide and suicide fell overall also. Because these rates tumbled, Chapman’s team said, they cannot show that the gun control measures were responsible.

One other Australian study showed that gun-related homicides decreased 7.5 percent per year following the reforms.
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KingsX said:
AR-15 is not automatic.

It is a popular rifle among gun owners.
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A lot of confusion here. The guns that fire automatically are illegal and the AR 15 and many other semiautomatic weapons are mistakenly considered to be fully automatic. They are truly semi automatic in all aspects as they fire, clear, bring next bullet into position for firing but do not fire until the trigger is pulled once again. The full automatic, machine guns, would do all the same but would also fire the next bullet and the next bullet till the trigger is allowed to rest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm

A semi-automatic firearm, or self-loading firearm, is one that not only fires a bullet each time the trigger is pulled, but also performs all steps necessary to prepare it to discharge again—assuming cartridges remain in the firearm's feed device. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. To fire again, the trigger is released and re-pressed.
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That those young folks get taught incorrectly is bring false claims to the commission and confuse the arguments for the people and commissions to concern with. No wonder folks are so confused. We can't even keep our definitions correct.

We have single shot weapons where the user does all including clearing, and reloading, and firing.

Semi automatic where the clearing and reloading is done for the user but no bullets are fired.

The most deadly, and unavailable to the common public are the full automatic, machine guns, that will fire when the trigger is pulled, clearing, reloading a bullet, and automatically firing another round if the trigger is pulled.

All this saying that these semi automatic guns are just like the military is wrong. Public sales are for the semi automatic and military are for the full automatic. Much the same name but much different in how they operate.
 
Yes, it's always a good idea to check dubious claims like this with Snopes.

I agree with Olivia, arguing about technical definitions of "automatic" vs. "semi-automatic" and all the minute details of "gun rights" is sickening, when we see the devastating carnage caused by guns. Guns, not knives, not two-by-fours, not axes,not ropes. Those items all have other uses besides killing or wounding people. Guns exist only to kill, except for those used only in target practice.

In the modern world, there usually isn't too much justification for hunting either, but let's leave that out of it. Let's even leave small, non-automatic pistols out of it. What possible justification can there be for still selling these semi-automatic weapons to any nut case who enters a gun shop?

For the few people on this forum who are so heatedly defending their "gun rights," let me ask you: how would you feel about this if someone close to you was murdered by one of these maniacs in a mass shooting? Would you then be worried about your "rights" as a gun owner?
 
AR-15s
Pellet guns
Kool-Aid
Jets
Baseball bats
Tickle me Elmo

I say we ban ‘em all

Challenge the kooks to get creative for the next one

 
Just a note, I may be wrong here. The variant of the M-16 that is standard issue now, M-! or M-4 I think is not a true automatic. The Pentagon found that soldiers were using the "spray and pray" method of shooting. Discharging thousands of rounds most of them to no effect.
Issue rifles now fire a three round burst. I don't know whether they have an override for full auto or not.
 
His property / his choice. If he actually feels he has made a difference ? And feels good about it ? Fine.

But in the video he says ....is the right to own a weapon like this / this weapon, [however he worded it] worth a life. He says no...OK, his opinion but ! The right to own that weapon , that weapon, did not take a life...a person did.

Remember Boston?....well excuse me now, I'm going out to the garage & cut my pressure cooker in half.
 
I'm not so sure he actually destroyed it...he didn't cut the receiver , he only shortened the barrel. He may have actually committed a federal crime on video. He, effectively cut a gun down , to under Fed standards . Creating an AR-15 pistol ? Perhaps someone here more knowledgeable than I will chime in.
 
rgp said:
His property / his choice. If he actually feels he has made a difference ? And feels good about it ? Fine.

But in the video he says ....is the right to own a weapon like this / this weapon, [however he worded it] worth a life. He says no...OK, his opinion but ! The right to own that weapon , that weapon, did not take a life...a person did.

Remember Boston?....well excuse me now, I'm going out to the garage & cut my pressure cooker in half.
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What he said was is that right worth a life.
 
rgp said:
I'm not so sure he actually destroyed it...he didn't cut the receiver , he only shortened the barrel. He may have actually committed a federal crime on video. He, effectively cut a gun down , to under Fed standards . Creating an AR-15 pistol ? Perhaps someone here more knowledgeable than I will chime in.
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The cutting was symbolic. What he said was that gun will never take a life.

I believe him.
 
Lots of responses since my comment about who is paying for all these folks to get up an tell lies about the weapons being sold and used in the US. It seems that most do not care what a waste of our money is taking place telling all these lies and forgetting about truth. Pretty much more of the hate Trump nonsense that took place moments after Trump was decided to become President of the US. Instant mobs, complete with lots of signs showing their hate. Time for honesty for the people of the US and less time wasted for the Congress to keep on redefining what is gun safety. It is all pretty clear now but we need more clear minded folks involved in help beyond the lies being tossed back at the Congress. No reason for ending gun existence or private ownership. We would do better if we had good control of our folks in the same way the Swiss do.

Time for the US to stop playing in Congress and to get serious with our Constitution and the meanings of how we should be living for ourselves and others. Each side of Congress needs to reconstruct with newer people and let the Constitution take over. There is no need for any party on either side. No such thing in the Constitution at all. Neither party we now have has enough folks to actually run this country. It is time for both to sides to reconsider and start over within the Constitutions guidelines.

It is the people and the Congress that are the problem. Fix them and it will be easier to fix our problems.
 
AZ Jim said:
uh...HUH????
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Talking about the man in the video that cut his gun down....The original thread was closed. Seems adults cannot be allowed discuss a subject , in a civil manner here. Even though the 'freedoms' of life in America are often touted so proudly in this same forum.
 
As was pointed out, the man committed a federal crime in shortening the rifle more than the legal length. He does not need to do a thing to the rifle to make it operational, it may help to ream the burr off the muzzle,but probably not essential for use.
 
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