Anti-Gun Rallies

Forgot to say this, don't know if these are sold at the Denver, Colorado Gun Show that we went to when living in the area, but we were extremely stunned and shocked to see a Grenade Launcher and 50 caliber Deck Mounted Machine Gun for sale there. We were told that both fully worked.
 

We had a man in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh area) that was holding his family hostage with an Uzi back in the early 80’s. I was ordered to serve as a backup and to help evacuate the neighbors. This is at 11:30 at night. Of course, when you knock on a door and a man answers the door and you tell him that he must get his family together and leave the area, he has a lot of questions. Why? Do we need to take clothes? How long will we be gone? And so on.

This is was a 6-hour stand-off. Finally, his mom talked him out of his house. We cuffed him and took him to the local hospital and cuffed him to his gurney. Then, the local police came in and took over. A long night, but no one was hurt. When we checked the Uzi, it was fully loaded and the safety was off. He also had about another 2000 rounds sitting on the living room floor.
 

911 said:
We had a man in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh area) that was holding his family hostage with an Uzi back in the early 80’s. I was ordered to serve as a backup and to help evacuate the neighbors. This is at 11:30 at night. Of course, when you knock on a door and a man answers the door and you tell him that he must get his family together and leave the area, he has a lot of questions. Why? Do we need to take clothes? How long will we be gone? And so on.

This is was a 6-hour stand-off. Finally, his mom talked him out of his house. We cuffed him and took him to the local hospital and cuffed him to his gurney. Then, the local police came in and took over. A long night, but no one was hurt. When we checked the Uzi, it was fully loaded and the safety was off. He also had about another 2000 rounds sitting on the living room floor.
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My hat is off to you, sir - you did jobs I doubt I could ever do.
 
SifuPhil said:
My hat is off to you, sir - you did jobs I doubt I could ever do.
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Totally agree.

Thing is, I could have been in law enforcement and, most likely, would've been like Dirty Harry..........the "don't give me no crap" type. But, that would've been back in the 70's and 80's. Definitely not this "day and age".
 
ClassicRockr said:
Totally agree.

Thing is, I could have been in law enforcement and, most likely, would've been like Dirty Harry..........the "don't give me no crap" type. But, that would've been back in the 70's and 80's. Definitely not this "day and age".
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I know what you mean. I could never take any gruff from a perp - I would have belted them down fast.

"Make my day" :D
 
Camper6 said:
Not really illegal. You can still get one if you want to. It's just grandfathered.
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And that is the problem with the direction being taken by those young folks. They will never be able to take all guns away so the schools will remain a target for a mental person on a rage.

Best to forget the guns and start protecting the public from gun nuts. In schools we need to position gun trained persons, cops or teachers will do. Let the public know that assaults in schools will be a suicidal act by the gunners. That in itself will deter many nuts. Defense forces will definitely reduce the mass numbers.

It is not the gun that matters but the safety for the public is what counts. Which is one element not being talked about at these poorly directed marches.
 
BobF said:
And that is the problem with the direction being taken by those young folks. They will never be able to take all guns away so the schools will remain a target for a mental person on a rage.

Best to for get the guns and start protecting the public from gun nuts. In schools we need to position gun trained person, cops or teachers will do. Let the public know that assaults in schools will be a suicidal act by the gunners.

It is not the gun that matters but the safety for the public is what counts. Which is one element not being talked about at these poorly directed marches.
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But isn't that solution just an escalation?

Post guards with guns in the schools to deter a shooter, then you'll start having teams of shooters.

Or they'll switch to explosives (I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet).
 
bobf said:
and that is the problem with the direction being taken by those young folks. They will never be able to take all guns away so the schools will remain a target for a mental person on a rage.

Best to forget the guns and start protecting the public from gun nuts. In schools we need to position gun trained persons, cops or teachers will do. Let the public know that assaults in schools will be a suicidal act by the gunners. That in itself will deter many nuts. Defense forces will definitely reduce the mass numbers.

It is not the gun that matters but the safety for the public is what counts. Which is one element not being talked about at these poorly directed marches.
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yes, yes, yes!!
 
BobF said:
And that is the problem with the direction being taken by those young folks. They will never be able to take all guns away so the schools will remain a target for a mental person on a rage.

Best to forget the guns and start protecting the public from gun nuts. In schools we need to position gun trained persons, cops or teachers will do. Let the public know that assaults in schools will be a suicidal act by the gunners. That in itself will deter many nuts. Defense forces will definitely reduce the mass numbers.

It is not the gun that matters but the safety for the public is what counts. Which is one element not being talked about at these poorly directed marches.
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The idea is not to take all the guns away. That's what the gun lobby keeps promoting.

The idea is to mitigate the slaughters that have been taking place and the innocents being killed.

It's not the gun, it's the shooter isn't working obviously.

The gun is part of the picture. It can't be simply dismissed.

It's really said when you have to hire trained persons to protect school children.
 
ANFO (ammonium nitrate mixed with fuel oil or kerosene) is an explosive moderate energy and requires a blasting cap and a primary explosive to detonate. However, ammonium nitrate mixed with gasoline is far more energetic and can be detonated with a firecracker. Now someone may say, "But gasoline has a strong smell. People would smell it and report someone carrying a bomb of that sort." Replacing the gasoline with Coleman Fuel is the solution as it's deodorized. It works just as well. No firecracker? It's easy enough to make black powder and fuse at home.

No access to any of the above? Here's what a ten year old boy did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_the_Angels_School_fire#Investigation
 
Big Horn said:
ANFO (ammonium nitrate mixed with fuel oil or kerosene) is an explosive moderate energy and requires a blasting cap and a primary explosive to detonate. However, ammonium nitrate mixed with gasoline is far more energetic and can be detonated with a firecracker. Now someone may say, "But gasoline has a strong smell. People would smell it and report someone carrying a bomb of that sort." Replacing the gasoline with Coleman Fuel is the solution as it's deodorized. It works just as well. No firecracker? It's easy enough to make black powder and fuse at home.

No access to any of the above? Here's what a ten year old boy did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_the_Angels_School_fire#Investigation
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Purchases of those products do attract attention now compared to previously.
 
Camper6 said:
The idea is not to take all the guns away. That's what the gun lobby keeps promoting.

The idea is to mitigate the slaughters that have been taking place and the innocents being killed.

It's not the gun, it's the shooter isn't working obviously.

The gun is part of the picture. It can't be simply dismissed.

It's really said when you have to hire trained persons to protect school children.
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The idea is not to take all the guns away. That's what the gun lobby keeps promoting.
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To me I would think the gun lobby is for protecting the guns, not for reducing the population at all.
The idea is to mitigate the slaughters that have been taking place and the innocents being killed.
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Exactly why we need armed guards at public events and especially in our schools.

The idea is to mitigate the slaughters that have been taking place and the innocents being killed.

It's not the gun, it's the shooter isn't working obviously.
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Quite true in many cases. This is why armed guards would be so effective. No time for a shooter to keep shooting till as many as piossible are dead.

Interesting that in most countries knives are the principle killing tool. I will need to follow up on that idea.
 
BobF said:
To me I would think the gun lobby is for protecting the guns, not for reducing the population at all.
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Unfortunately thats not working



Exactly why we need armed guards at public events and especially in our schools.
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Needing armed guards is a sign of the problem. No armed guards when I went to school. Why now?

Quite true in many cases. This is why armed guards would be so effective. No time for a shooter to keep shooting till as many as piossible are dead.
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If you are lucky and the damage hasn't already taken place.

Interesting that in most countries knives are the principle killing tool. I will need to follow up on that idea.
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Not in mass murders. I would take my chances of survival knife vs gun anytime. We really should not care about other countries.
 
Linda said:
I guess I'm seeing this from a different view point than a lot of people. Also I am ONLY talking about the student walk outs and rallies. From what I'm hearing BULLYING is behind a lot of the school shootings. I realize ALL school shootings are done by sick, mentally ill people, but I think they've been bullied.

So it seems to me that instead of walking out of school and participating in a rally a lot more would be accomplished if those kids would keep their behinds in school and vow to go a whole day without bullying one single person! If that were done, I think a lot more good would transpire. Unless you have been bullied you have no idea how harmful it is. Also it's not just students doing it, there are a few (only a few) teachers being bullies also.

In case anyone is wondering, we do keep a loaded 357 magnum in the headboard of our bed. No one under 19 ever comes in our house and I trust all of them. If a child were to come here the pistol goes up in the top of a closet in a hiding area. Even I can't get it without a step stool. We live in an area where it can take the police up to 2 hours to get here and yet, there are tweekers and roving criminals from time to time. A home invasion done by ruthless thugs gives you no time to call the sheriff and request some help.

Sorry, but I think anyone who attends a student anti-gun rally, who has EVER bullied anyone, is a hypocrite.
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I think the main thrust of the protest is against mass shootings that are taking place in schools and other places and it's not with handguns like your 357 magnum for self protection.

The weapon of choice in these mass shootings seems to be a semi automatic rifle with a huge magazine capable of killing multiple victims without reloading.

I'm venturing to guess that many of those students protesting have weapons at home that their parents bought.
 
Traveler said:
I absolutely agree. The leftist wacko's have been trying to disarm us for decades. If and when the 2nd Amendment is repealed, that will be the end of America. We will be totally at the mercy of the thugs running around loose in our streets and the wacko's in our own government. You think home invasions are bad now ? Just wait and see what's coming.
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That is such an extreme analysis. To repeal the 2nd Amendment is not that simple.
 
Recent statistics indicate that half of schoolchildren experience bullying at some point during their school years. Also, kids tend to bully other kids, few can honestly say they have never engaged in some level of pack mentality. I think it obfuscates the problem to suggest that children may be partially to blame for such hideous tragedies.
 
Camper6 said:
A kid buying gasoline and matches wouldn't attract notice?
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Not a gallon can of Coleman Fuel at Walmart or a box of wood matches. It's a normal combination for a stove or lantern.

Camper6 said:
Not where I come from. Even buying fertilizer now attracts attention.
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100# would attract notice. 5# wouldn't. I'd put it with other groceries. Cashiers at Walmart aren't paying any attention to what customers buy. No cashier would remember an adult or teenager. Remember that the ten year old had only to find matches. The fuel was already there. He killed 95 people. If he had had to buy a box at a convenience store the clerk wouldn't have remembered two minutes later.

The Austin bomber bought his supplies at Home Depot. He probably made several trips to several stores.

Do you fertilize house plants? Do you fill your camping stove or lantern. If you don't there are still plenty of people who do. If you don't have matches or a Bic lighter in your home you are a rare person.
 
Big Horn said:
Not a gallon can of Coleman Fuel at Walmart or a box of wood matches. It's a normal combination for a stove or lantern.

100# would attract notice. 5# wouldn't. I'd put it with other groceries. Cashiers at Walmart aren't paying any attention to what customers buy. No cashier would remember an adult or teenager. Remember that the ten year old had only to find matches. The fuel was already there. He killed 95 people. If he had had to buy a box at a convenience store the clerk wouldn't have remembered two minutes later.

The Austin bomber bought his supplies at Home Depot. He probably made several trips to several stores.

Do you fertilize house plants? Do you fill your camping stove or lantern. If you don't there are still plenty of people who do. If you don't have matches or a Bic lighter in your home you are a rare person.
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We are talking kids and we are talking huge quantities.

They do attract the attention now they didn't before.
 
Camper6 said:
We are talking kids and we are talking huge quantities.

They do attract the attention now they didn't before.
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Age wise? Why am I asking..........I think Big Horn could be talking about older teens, perhaps those that recently graduated high school. If they age goes into a Home Depot to buy fertilizer, seriously doubt anyone going to question the kid.

Seriously don't think a major big store, like Home Depot, wants to get into trouble, or even sued, for reporting someone young that is picking up something for his parents lawn or garden. But, never know.
 
There is something wrong with our culture these days. No respect for anyone or themselves or our country. No matter what the issue might be it just needs to have a lot of folks linking their arms and chanting pointless ideas together.

Has any one looked into the Swiss ways and tried to understand how they each have weapons and can take them with them on buses or trains or into restaurants and home. They seem to have the necessary principles for the weapons and must have a decent system that does not allow killer attitudes to be running freely. That is more like the way we once lived in the US too. For the Swiss it is about self defense and military duty as they grow up to adulthood. Maybe something there for the US to emulate. Maybe a couple years of strict military training would help put maturity into the minds of our people.

The Swiss are doing exactly what the US is wanting to do, but in a slightly different way. And it has been working for them for hundreds of years. Their maturity started way back when horses were popular. Swords and knives were the weapons of battle but now they have armed vehicles and use cannons, rifles, pistols, keep them at home.
 

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