Are there ANGELS?

Status
Not open for further replies.
fuzzybuddy said:
Back to the angels.....In order to have angels, there must be a deity , which created them. And that leads back to the debate over the existence of a deity. In my opinion, I believe the atheists have an easier row to hoe. There is no physical proof of a deity. You can't point and say there is God. Those, who say there is a deity, have to offer proof of its existence. Then, they have to offer proof which of the many gods is the true God. And since God is a sentient entity, they have to offer a reason for the act of creation. It gets complicated with a deity. If you say a deity created mankind, well that same deity created cancer, and schizophrenia. ?? That is the theoretical debate about supernatural existence. I don't think we check off a list of proofs for, or against a deity's existence. It is something felt and believed, or it is not.
Click to expand...
Just the fact that some say there is no God, or deity, you are admitting to the fact that you know that He exists. Once said by a confirmed athiest who set out to prove there is no God.
 

Capt Lightning said:
Then I shall exercise my prerogative and say that I believe that there is no God, no Satan, no angels, no demons, no heaven and no hell (although some places come close to it).

If people want to believe what's written in the Bible, that's up to them.
Click to expand...
Ok, just read a book named 23 minutes in Hell and then say you want to continue being an unbeliever.
 

The claims in Wiese's book have received sardonic reactions from some writers, both in the Christian and secular press. Rob Moll of Christianity Today, noting Wiese's statement that hell "was hot – far beyond any possibility of sustaining life", commented, "Thankfully, it being hell, everyone but Wiese had already died." John Sutherland, writing about Wiese's book in the New Statesman, remarked that Wiese "rather lamely" describes the sound of billions of people screaming as "annoying".
Other writers have expressed even harsher views. Steven Wells wrote in the Philadelphia Weekly that "Wiese is either wrong or he's right. And if he's right, then God is an insane tyrant."A writer for the Northern Iowan, a student newspaper at the University of Northern Iowa, described the book as "23 minutes of nonsense" and portrayed the book's success as a sign of the faults of Christianity and religion in general.

Tell you what - I'll take my chances.
 
fancicoffee13 said:
The only words in the Bible were spoken to men by God himself.
Click to expand...
Those words were WRITTEN by humans, how do we know they are not creative imagination or dreams or hallucinations from drug use? I could come up with some idea or story and claim that ''God spoke to me and told me this''. I would have no way to prove what I speak of and others would have no proof that I am lying. Most of the bible was written by the Essenes, a jewish tribe, and their beliefs were based on the Sumerian religions. Most say that Moses wrote the bible, but the general belief is that he wrote only the first five chapters (if that).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
{{Mosaic authorship is the Jewish, Christian and Muslim tradition that Moses was the author of the Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament. }}
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
{{ Another important issue concerning the writing of the Book of Genesis concerns when it was written. If Moses was the author or compiler of the events in Genesis then the book was written during his lifetime. Moses lived during a period of time that is known as the Late Bronze Age (about 1550 to 1200 B.C).

Area Of Dispute
The exact dates when Moses lived are still a matter of controversy. The reason is that the precise date of the Exodus of the children of Israel from Egypt is still debated. Two different dates, 1445 B.C. or 1290 B.C., are put forward to be the date of the Exodus. }}

They are not even sure when Moses, a very important character in the bible, actually existed.
 
Capt Lightning said:
The claims in Wiese's book have received sardonic reactions from some writers, both in the Christian and secular press. Rob Moll of Christianity Today, noting Wiese's statement that hell "was hot – far beyond any possibility of sustaining life", commented, "Thankfully, it being hell, everyone but Wiese had already died." John Sutherland, writing about Wiese's book in the New Statesman, remarked that Wiese "rather lamely" describes the sound of billions of people screaming as "annoying".
Other writers have expressed even harsher views. Steven Wells wrote in the Philadelphia Weekly that "Wiese is either wrong or he's right. And if he's right, then God is an insane tyrant."A writer for the Northern Iowan, a student newspaper at the University of Northern Iowa, described the book as "23 minutes of nonsense" and portrayed the book's success as a sign of the faults of Christianity and religion in general.

Tell you what - I'll take my chances.
Click to expand...
I had a gullible friend who told me she read an article that claimed there was a hot hole in the ground somewhere in Russia and someone heard voices shouting ''HELP!" I just walked away from her. She probably read it in the Enquirer.
 
Capt Lightning said:
The claims in Wiese's book have received sardonic reactions from some writers, both in the Christian and secular press. Rob Moll of Christianity Today, noting Wiese's statement that hell "was hot – far beyond any possibility of sustaining life", commented, "Thankfully, it being hell, everyone but Wiese had already died." John Sutherland, writing about Wiese's book in the New Statesman, remarked that Wiese "rather lamely" describes the sound of billions of people screaming as "annoying".
Other writers have expressed even harsher views. Steven Wells wrote in the Philadelphia Weekly that "Wiese is either wrong or he's right. And if he's right, then God is an insane tyrant."A writer for the Northern Iowan, a student newspaper at the University of Northern Iowa, described the book as "23 minutes of nonsense" and portrayed the book's success as a sign of the faults of Christianity and religion in general.

Tell you what - I'll take my chances.
Click to expand...
Ok, take your chances. But, know this: that taking your chances while alive and able to make choices is not the same in the "hereafter" when all is said and done. No going back.
 
I want to say very rude things (but I won't) to fancicoffee13, not because of her beliefs (which I can respect) but because of her tedious redundancy. I feel pity for anyone out of her circle who is forced to know her. As she herself said "Just my personal input." Was hoping that was the last, but alas, no.
 
fancicoffee13 said:
Ok, take your chances. But, know this: that taking your chances while alive and able to make choices is not the same in the "hereafter" when all is said and done. No going back.
Click to expand...
So let me get this right.. Your god created man (somewhat ignoring the evidence of evolution) and gave him / her the ability to think rationally... BUT if he / she didn't come to the same conclusions as this (allegedly good merciful and forgiving) god, they would be condemned to eternal damnation.

Well that sort of evil, cruel, demanding, capricious god who presides over unspeakable pain and misery is not exactly the sort any rational person would worship.
Oh, and there are no angels.
 
Pepper said:
I want to say very rude things (but I won't) to fancicoffee13, not because of her beliefs (which I can respect) but because of her tedious redundancy. I feel pity for anyone out of her circle who is forced to know her. As she herself said "Just my personal input." Was hoping that was the last, but alas, no.
Click to expand...
Why would you want to say rude things to me, afterall, this is a board to talk about things. And no one is ever forced to know me, and if this is not the last, is there more? Please accept my apologies for my "redundancy".
 
Capt Lightning said:
Well that sort of evil, cruel, demanding, capricious god who presides over unspeakable pain and misery is not exactly the sort any rational person would worship.
Oh, and there are no angels.
Click to expand...

It's interesting how some people can get so worked up about someone who they believe doesn't exist, Or get so worked up about someone who doesn't disbelief the same as they do. What is it exactly?
 
Last edited:
Capt Lightning said:
So let me get this right.. Your god created man (somewhat ignoring the evidence of evolution) and gave him / her the ability to think rationally... BUT if he / she didn't come to the same conclusions as this (allegedly good merciful and forgiving) god, they would be condemned to eternal damnation.

Well that sort of evil, cruel, demanding, capricious god who presides over unspeakable pain and misery is not exactly the sort any rational person would worship.
Oh, and there are no angels.
Click to expand...
Well, you got the description of my God down right. And you are entitled to your choices. Have a good day.
 
fancicoffee13 said:
Why would you want to say rude things to me, afterall, this is a board to talk about things. And no one is ever forced to know me, and if this is not the last, is there more? Please accept my apologies for my "redundancy".
Click to expand...
I accept your apologies and offer my own to you for my whatever it is. Maybe I'm hungry and should eat.
 
Olivia said:
If you had to be there where anything happened, there is really not much you can actually believe in, can you?
Click to expand...

You are right , but those so zealous about it , imply that it is fact. It is not, as you noted in the use of the word believe .

I respect those that believe, as I do not know. But I find very few of them, that respect my non-belief. So often they go into I will burn in hell, etc. I just wish that when they are speaking of it, they would include a line or two about it being belief/their belief, and admit that they do no know either. And drop the attitude of it being fact.
 
Underneath it all is the question about what is Truth. If anyone could point to Truth and everyone could see it, then that would solve everything.
 
Olivia said:
It's interesting how some people can get so worked up about someone who they believe doesn't exist, Or get so worked up about someone who doesn't disbelief the same as they do. What is it exactly?
Click to expand...
Lack of confidence in one's beliefs/surmisings
Especially after believing something for a very long time
It's unsettling, so snide insults get hurled

Too bad, too
Disagreeing agreeably seems a lost art
 
Heh, having been steeped in agnosticism for decades was pretty frustrating
Bible thumpers in my face did nothing but piss me off

...until this one quiet kindly man

Not pressing
Just being there
Reasoning with me
Putting up with my incredulously snide remarks
Feeding me
One bite at a time

Didn't know how hungry I was

Turns out, if yer not hungry, you could give a rat's pooper about what's laid on the table

But, dammit, that banquet is a feast beyond understanding
Nourishing my innermost soul

Now? It'd take more faith for me to be an atheist than believing in The Creator

7p56bKS.jpg

savor.jpg

I love how He starts my day

cold.jpg

And turns the lights low when evening comes

nov norn.jpg 2.jpg

Sorry

Don't wish to offend anyone
 
I definitely believe in angels. I believe at least two gigantic ones saved me from flipping over when my car went over an embankment. I was completely uninjured (can't say as much for the car). I also came home one night to find several of them watching my puppy in her dog run. I didn't see them, but I felt them, sensed their color and their height (gigantic). I think they were both protecting and admiring my dog.
 
Lara said:
Thank you Liberty, and yes I still feel that glow and He's still showing me His presence. It's never happened like this in my life. That's why I've become annoying to the non-believers here in SF. I'm not trying to convert anyone. I just can't stop talking about it. My relationship with God is so close that it permeates my every thought.

I thought about leaving SF because of the ugly backlashes I've received from one member. God bless her (sincerely). Another Christian member just left. But I enjoying on-topic sharing in appropriate threads so I'm staying for now. Thank you to those members who are annoyed with me but have chosen to ignore me vs anger and have allowed me freedom of speech and religion. I know there are quite a few and I've noticed you're leaving me be. Thank you.
Click to expand...

WHooa, wait a minute, ...and this "Loving" Heavenly Father God allowed you to be, or he himself, slammed to the ground, inflicting MULTIPLE very painful potentially permanent Injuries to prove to you that he exists and show you how much he "loves" you....No thank you! I will pass on worshipping and following someone or something who shows its love and care for me with physical harm and suffering.

Did you show YOUR children how much you "loved" them by physically damaging them?

There are millions of positive loving ways to prove love and existence!
 
Homeschoolie said:
WHooa, wait a minute, ...and this "Loving" Heavenly Father God allowed you to be, or he himself, slammed to the ground, inflicting MULTIPLE very painful potentially permanent Injuries to prove to you that he exists and show you how much he "loves" you....No thank you! I will pass on worshipping and following someone or something who shows its love and care for me with physical harm and suffering.

Did you show YOUR children how much you "loved" them by physically damaging them?

There are millions of positive loving ways to prove love and existence!
Click to expand...
Just curious are you an atheist which is okay, one of my friends is, I don't try to change his belief and he has no interested in mine. Over the years I have discover that his IQ is superior and he would rather talk about science than the bible. He has an explanation for religion, but only theory as an explanation of science, on the other side of the coin, I can't prove there is an higher power.
 
It is totally impossible to know if angels exist--unless you are in heaven and meet one. St. Thomas Aquinas who some Catholics say is an authority, believed strongly in angels that are in heaven near Jesus and God---but they are not intended to travel to earth
and be with humans. That's in the movies and television. No angels among us, as the song goes: do not depend on one to protect you.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top