Are we facing another lockdown?

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Covid advisor says U.S. lockdown of 4 to 6 weeks could control pandemic and revive economy.

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Dr. Michael Osterholm, a coronavirus advisor to President-elect Joe Biden, said a nationwide lockdown would help bring the virus under control in the U.S.

He said the government could borrow enough money to pay for a package that would cover lost income for individuals and governments during a shutdown.

"We could really watch ourselves cruising into the vaccine availability in the first and second quarter of next year while bringing back the economy long before that," he said.

More at:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/bid...ould-control-pandemic-and-revive-economy.html
 

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Becky1951 said:
Covid advisor says U.S. lockdown of 4 to 6 weeks could control pandemic and revive economy.
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There is little doubt, in my mind, that we will have another "lockdown"....and probably by late January....if not sooner. With the holidays quickly approaching, and millions celebrating without following the mask/distancing guidelines, the numbers will continue to climb. A National mask and distancing mandate would be the sensible approach....NOW....but with the present leadership, that is highly unlikely.
 
Becky1951 said:
Please keep politics out of this discussion.

Covid advisor says U.S. lockdown of 4 to 6 weeks could control pandemic and revive economy.

KEY POINTS

Dr. Michael Osterholm, a coronavirus advisor to President-elect Joe Biden, said a nationwide lockdown would help bring the virus under control in the U.S.

He said the government could borrow enough money to pay for a package that would cover lost income for individuals and governments during a shutdown.

"We could really watch ourselves cruising into the vaccine availability in the first and second quarter of next year while bringing back the economy long before that," he said.

More at:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/bid...ould-control-pandemic-and-revive-economy.html
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From all that I am seeing, both from the perspective of Canada and the USofA, lockdowns aren't haven't much of an effect.

I was just listening to a news report on the radio this morning, and in the province of Ontario (Canada), they project the daily infection rate to reach 2000 cases a day within the next few weeks, and Ontario has seen a number of strict measures implemented over the past 6 months, yet...

If only people took this pandemic seriously.
 
StarSong said:
I don't see it happening. Everyone and his brother will be suing every government entity they can think of.
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I feel for people in the USofA.

Is that really how things work in your country, Star, the minute someone feels hard-done-by (poor me), they get their dander up and sue?

If so, you guys are in real trouble.
 
Just saw on the news that Thanksgiving travel is only expected to be down 10%...of course most will travel by car. As an example, having many people around at Thanksgiving is one of the big issues... for instance, just how do you know the lifestyle of these people, where they have been, who they have associated with "up close and personal"?

Don't know about you, but we certainly know the daily lifestyle habits of those we spend any time around - if a workman comes in the house, we make sure they wear a mask and we don't get up close. Every time the covid numbers stabilize and/or go down, here comes another holiday or "seasonal" event that lures people out - its like virus "chumming". Lock downs help, of course, if people would comply.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I feel for people in the USofA.

Is that really how things work in your country, Star, the minute someone feels hard-done-by (poor me), they get their dander up and sue?

If so, you guys are in real trouble.
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There are plenty of attorneys in this country and they're kept mighty busy. Surely your news is reporting that the US is awash in various lawsuits by Americans who are feeling hard-done-by or unfairly treated.

And yes, we are in real trouble.
 
StarSong said:
There are plenty of attorneys in this country and they're kept mighty busy. Surely your news is reporting that the US is awash in various lawsuits by Americans who are feeling hard-done-by or unfairly treated.

And yes, we are in real trouble.
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We enjoy a lot of news related to your country, but I was hoping any sort of talk of lawsuits stemming from Covid-19 based woes, would be immediately quashed.

We can only hope and pray for such.
 
I think that we will see a mask mandate and a lockdown/quarantine for all non-essential activity/gatherings.

IMO it's a mistake for the average person to view a lockdown as a punitive measure and should be viewed as a logical public health strategy to help control the virus. I also believe that if we have an official lockdown of some sort it needs to come with some form of financial support from the federal government for individuals, small businesses, and state or local governments that are impacted through no fault of their own.

For me, I'll create my own personal lockdown and do my best to protect myself without having to be told by the government.
 
Well large swathes of Europe have gone into a second lockdown during the past few weeks.... we started a second one here in England last Thursday... previous to that it was Wales, Denmark, Spain and Germany all on second lockdowns.. ours isn't lifted until 2nd of December. It's causing chaos because most people shop for Christmas all through November ..
 
oldman said:
I can see that happening. Lockdowns only temporarily curb the numbers, but sooner or later, we will all have to get back out there and then what?
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A lockdown would ease the strain on our hospitals and there are not enough Dr's and nurses to go around now as it is.
If vaccine is available and proven to work safely after lockdown then we have a good chance of getting back to a somewhat normal.
 
I think this virus will not go away until everyone is on lockdown or dead if they refuse to lockdown. I must be blunt.

To me that means: contact with people in your same household ONLY, mask mandatory for inside any building, maintaining 8 (yes, 8 not 6 feet) from others, handwashing and sanitizing whatever needs it. If you are sick, stay home.

I think we are all dreaming if we think a vaccine is going to stop this virus if we don't follow the rules above.

The opinion expressed above is from this poster only.

p.s. Am I too harsh?
 
A real lock down with few exemptions can work but it is a hard thing to bear and will be resisted by some. It needs to be supported with campaigns encouraging hand hygiene, social distancing, mask wearing and reporting for a test as soon as any symptoms are experienced. There must be effective ways to trace contacts of positive cases. People need to know whether or not progress is occurring on a daily basis.

Support is essential for individuals and businesses that have lost income and it needs to be substantial. In the long run this is less costly than just letting the pandemic run.

In Australia we have been living with various stages of lockdown since before Easter. I haven't been able to attend services in my church for most of this year but the leaders have adapted with online services, bible study and weekly catch up sessions. Oddly enough this has actually attracted more adherents than before.

I live in New South Wales, one of the two most populous states in Australia. The other is Victoria. Both states had troubling second waves of COVID 19 but by means of the above practices both states are now on top of the virus. Victoria was hardest hit and a very hard lockdown was imposed. It took more than 10 weeks but they have now had 14 days clear with no new cases and no deaths. Other states had shut their borders to NSW and Victoria residents without a valid reason to travel. Road transport was maintained for essential deliveries of food etc and that actually caused a spike in NSW that was traced to a popular road house on the route from Victoria through NSW to Queensland. These setbacks are bound to happen no matter what but perseverance pays off in the end.

We still have planeloads of Australians returning home from overseas. They have been pretty much stranded for months and they will all have to go into mandatory quarantine on arrival. The arts and major sporting events have been severely affected due to limitations of crowd size. The football codes have played through but events were shifted to the less effected states and the players were required to live in a quarantine like bubble, away from all outside contact including family.

My point is that it can be done but it isn't at all easy. It requires a national and state commitment, a well resourced hospital and public health system and co-operation from the public. A half hearted effort is wasted effort against this disease.

I learnt just this morning that we have laboratories testing sewerage waste water looking for virus fragments and when found, testing is increased in that neighbourhood. It is very important to find people who may be symptomless active cases that have the potential to set of new clusters.
 
IrisSenior said:
I think this virus will not go away until everyone is on lockdown or dead if they refuse to lockdown. I must be blunt.

To me that means: contact with people in your same household ONLY, mask mandatory for inside any building, maintaining 8 (yes, 8 not 6 feet) from others, handwashing and sanitizing whatever needs it. If you are sick, stay home.

I think we are all dreaming if we think a vaccine is going to stop this virus if we don't follow the rules above.

The opinion expressed above is from this poster only.

p.s. Am I too harsh?
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I don't think you are to harsh.
Even with a vaccine, wearing masks, social distancing, hand washing and sanitizing will have to continue until each person who was vaccinated is immune.
And will have to continue for those who are not immune until the so called herd immunity is achieved.
 
I couldn't bear another lockdown. It won't help anyway because as soon as you start to reopen, people will just get sick again and the numbers will go up again, and they will recommend lockdown - again. It's the definition of insanity.
 
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