Beliefs - a question

Beliefs - a question​


I believe in God
That's the easy one
All it takes is a bit of prayerful study
The books of Daniel and The Revelation lay it out pretty straight forward
Coupled with the lineage of the begats thru the Old Testament leaves little doubt

However;

'You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!'
James 2:19

Now faith......that's a tough one for me.
My faith?......too little
I see my lack daily
Praying about this one.....by the minute

The last couple years, having a few close calls while living at our mountain cabin, I've found myself praying hard for Him to take care of my Lady.
Many answered prayers there....many.

So, I'm good with all that.
She's in a place she can maintain with ease
My soul rests

'Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.'
Matthew 11:28

I know that now

I've never really had any fear of death
Just how it'd affect those around me

He's taken care of much in that regard

As far as Loch Ness or the Yetis?
Don't know
Don't care all that much
I do have some knuckle dragging renegade friends that seem to substantiate Big Foot's existence
 

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chic said:
Do you have beliefs not supported by science?
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I don't think I do anymore. When I was younger I was religious but I've grown to not see any evidence or rationale to believe in magical systems. I do understand why people choose to believe, life can be scary and unpredictable and a religious belief can give a person a feeling of control and of adjusting/accepting the things that happen. You put me in a tricky traffic situation and without believing at all I am still willing to utter a prayer to get me through unscathed. :)
 
HoneyNut said:
I don't think I do anymore. When I was younger I was religious but I've grown to not see any evidence or rationale to believe in magical systems. I do understand why people choose to believe, life can be scary and unpredictable and a religious belief can give a person a feeling of control and of adjusting/accepting the things that happen. You put me in a tricky traffic situation and without believing at all I am still willing to utter a prayer to get me through unscathed. :)
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I'd rather live my life based on a belief and be wrong, than live a life based on total nonbelief and be wrong.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
If as a scientist, you study all forms of life on earth, past and present. There is one are that science has yet to discover about all of that life. Where and what is the actual source of the 'life' in every cell? Everything that is 'alive' has this special spark that makes it live. If it loses that life, that spark, it stops living as we know it. If you really think about this fact, then you will find why I believe in God. At the very beginning something or someone had to put that little 'spark' as I call it within the earliest form of life. That to me the proof we all seek...it is all around us and within our own mind!

I have read a few studies where science has developed a hypothesis of how an organic chemical reaction could create this spark of life. It was interesting but they had no data or experiments that would even answer what the spark of life really is. So, the more I read, the more I was convinced they really don't know...
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As a science person including one that studies physics and neuroscience, the "spark" of life has not been a mystery though my ideas are not yet accepted theory. All Earth DNA organic cells have cell walls made of internal lipid bilayers consisting of two back to back internal fatty acid chains with hydrophobic tails and externally hydrophilic phosphate heads.

Cells evolved to pump specific voltage charged water ions from intracellular sides of cell membranes to extracellular fluid spaces outside cells that creates a voltage difference cells use allowing specific substances to pass through ion gated pores while blocking others. Intracellular is about 90 millivolts negative versus extracellular. With animals but not plants, that voltage difference further evolved into specialized neuron sense cells that slowly propagate voltage potentials along the cell walls of dendrites and axons in order to perceive senses, control muscles, and develop intelligent controls. All multicellular animalia from tiny worms to ants, to mice, to we humans have resulting electromagnetic forces of brain waves that for decades had been dismissed as epiphenomenon.

A spark is a discharging electrical phenomenon and IMO brain waves are likewise complex oscillating electrical phenomenon within our bodies that our executive pilot parts of mind focuses into the parts of our gray matter brain for conscious awareness.
 
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Whether what people call the Christian god's abilities are totally within science or not isn't a black and white subject though Christian church dogma has evolved to state it so. Omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence, (OOO) god powers are a self serving anything is possible including magic, agenda that worked for centuries but in these science, telecom information times has instead been a logic failing factor resulting in many weakening or losing their faith. There is very little in the OT or NT that supports magic like OOO powers. Scripture like calling god vaguely "almighty". Philosophers argue god is on a different plane of existence within what we find as real but science has no physical evidence for such nor even with great imagination can point to how coexisting different planes might be possible.

The OT has miracle like scripture but little reads like that caused by an entity with unlimited powers. Except in a few cases that might be explained away differently, either the OT god nor Jesus caused possible miracles without using physical means or angels. If all god had to do was think whatever or twitch his nose into action he would not need any angels. I have no problem worshiping or calling a god an advanced Ultimate Intelligent Entity without unlimited powers if God can give me joyful eternal life. With a little creative out of the box thinking, I can explain away most Bible miracles as actions of a race of UIE's.

Try me. For instance, Jesus walking across water on the Sea of Galilee may have been via a UIE angel controlled submarine just below the surface. Some of the disease miracles were performed by nanobots futurists like Ry Kurzweil predict will be doing all manner of amazing things inside our bodies in just a few decades. To primitives, a race of ancient UIE entities will be able to perform actions that may seem like miracles and one can easily argue they wouldn't explain how they did so to science primitives.

Follow God's simple listed 10 commandments, and (Luke 6:3 "do to others as you would have them do to you"
So and don't lose your precious Christian faith, salvation, and possible eternal life over human created dogma.
 
Beliefs of any kind are very complex, even more so religious beliefs.
It is futile to even attempt to sway a person's beliefs.
Belief in God? Is God a mathmatician? Is God a scientist? Yes, according to my own belief.
 
chic said:
So why do people believe what they do? Do you have beliefs not supported by science? Just curious. Be nice. No people bashing. OK?
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So why do people believe what they do?
Because they can.

Do you have beliefs not supported by science?
No.

Speaking for myself. Because none of it matters due to the fact I can't prove or disprove something not supported by science.
 
Murrmurr said:
Because scientists are gods?

Seriously, though, I think there's a way to figure out how old the remains are, and then hypothesize.
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No scientists are not gods. But the skeletal remains could be Nessie or another large sea creature that might be mistaken for Nessie. Paleontologists would be able to date the remains but we don't know how old Nessie is to begin with. We can only guess.
 
HarryHawk said:
When you look around and see the complexity of the universe, at so many levels, do folks believe that just happened by accident or coincidence?
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yah excellent point.
ive pondered on this often. how complex thing are and this is..by accident?...
i see the rocks along the rivers edge in a very ancient area...and many many appear to be tools.
some say on no the river did that...the river made all those rocks and shapes.

but some of these shapes are The Same Shape. how does nature...how does volcano how does
rolling down a mountain or thru a river bed for millions of years..make rocks that look almost exactly alike
albeit diff sizes.
diff sizes and the same shapes. i find that very interesting.
 
I believe in God. Or a creator or a spiritual energy. Whatever you want to call her. My concept of God differs greatly than that taught by organized religions, which is why I no longer belong to any. I think people begin believing in God because their parents did (do). With me, I gradually came to my own conclusions about God after pulling away from religion and thinking for myself. I'm happier now and feel just as close to God as ever.
 
oldaunt said:
People need something to believe in because so many are unable to believe in themselves
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean "believe in themselves". I assume since other living organism aren't capable of belief, they must believe in themselves. They spend their time on earth preying on what they prey on, while trying to avoid being preyed upon by their predators. They tend to be wired to try to reproduce as much as possible, which is interesting when you think about it (why do they care after they are gone?). They don't focus on too much else, pretty much survival of the fittest. Is that basically it?
 
chic said:
Science once said that the Sun revolved around the Earth and it was blasphemy to say otherwise. :unsure:
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Science didn't say that, Chic. Maybe religion said it, not sure about that either. But science only "says" things that can be verified empirically. The whole concept of "belief" is meaningless to those who rely on science to tell them the truth. At least, belief in the sense of religious faith. I only believe descriptions of the universe that can be proven.
 
Sunny said:
Science didn't say that, Chic. Maybe religion said it, not sure about that either. But science only "says" things that can be verified empirically. The whole concept of "belief" is meaningless to those who rely on science to tell them the truth. At least, belief in the sense of religious faith. I only believe descriptions of the universe that can be proven.
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It was considered the "science" of the time though.
 

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