Bernie Sanders to run!!!

Thanks, but you have to admit that this is fun, and one student of this type of forum concluded that no minds are changed, just arguments honed...:love_heart:
 

And that comment goes both ways. There is nothing wrong with the freedom and ways of the US type of government as it is described in our Constitution. Expecting all to have to work their way into prosperity is not a bad thing. Expecting folks to go after their fortunes on their own is not bad at all. Allowing them to gain profit has done many in this world much good and they in turn have given their wealth back to the people in various forms that they have chosen, the Gates for example.

Many of our current ways are built on the ideas of some very intelligent folks. Lots of ideas from the US but unable to afford to build them here and sell to the public at prices affordable. So the ideas get developed here, shipped to other countries around the world where the people are happy to have a job that pays little rather than the US elevated wage expectations. Bring those jobs back to the US and pay the wages the US folks think they deserve and few of us could afford them anymore. Depression once again.

We need less government control, not more.
 
BobF said:
And that comment goes both ways. There is nothing wrong with the freedom and ways of the US type of government as it is described in our Constitution. Expecting all to have to work their way into prosperity is not a bad thing. Expecting folks to go after their fortunes on their own is not bad at all. Allowing them to gain profit has done many in this world much good and they in turn have given their wealth back to the people in various forms that they have chosen, the Gates for example.

Many of our current ways are built on the ideas of some very intelligent folks. Lots of ideas from the US but unable to afford to build them here and sell to the public at prices affordable. So the ideas get developed here, shipped to other countries around the world where the people are happy to have a job that pays little rather than the US elevated wage expectations. Bring those jobs back to the US and pay the wages the US folks think they deserve and few of us could afford them anymore. Depression once again.

We need less government control, not more.
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Again Bob.... the Philosophy of socialism DOES expect people to work.. all it does is allow some of the profits to go to the workers rather than to offshore bank accounts. Do you see something wrong with that..? Or do you think American workers should continue to see a decline in their wages while being asked to work more. This is exactly what has been happening over the last 30 years. Do you not have a problem with all the money... especially money made off the sweat of workers backs to be siphoned away from the economy?

You REALLY must take a breath and learn that socialism is NOT communism..
 

Remember back in the 60's or even early 70's when Employers offered their employee's a little something called "Profit Sharing"? Workers were able to build up quite a nice little nest egg for retirement. (and that was socialism) THEN Corporations, decided.. what the hell!!? WHY should we give these people any of the profits THEY worked to help us earn? Legislation and tax laws were changed to allow companies to pull all the profits and squirrel them away in overseas accounts.... To make the stupid people think they were still getting something... a little thing like the 401K was added.. Let the Worker contribute THEIR money to this and put it at the risk of the stock market... oh sure.. we will add a few pennies on the dollar of "matching funds"... but not too much mind you.. We can't short ourselves or our shareholders the profits..
 
QuickSilver said:
Remember back in the 60's or even early 70's when Employers offered their employee's a little something called "Profit Sharing"? Workers were able to build up quite a nice little nest egg for retirement. (and that was socialism) THEN Corporations, decided.. what the hell!!? WHY should we give these people any of the profits THEY worked to help us earn? Legislation and tax laws were changed to allow companies to pull all the profits and squirrel them away in overseas accounts.... To make the stupid people think they were still getting something... a little thing like the 401K was added.. Let the Worker contribute THEIR money to this and put it at the risk of the stock market... oh sure.. we will add a few pennies on the dollar of "matching funds"... but not too much mind you.. We can't short ourselves or our shareholders the profits..
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The above is somewhat twisted from actual. Many of the changes you speak of were employees choices, not employers demands.

Well, you sure have put your socialist ideas to work here. Profit sharing could still happen but paying the current wages means no profits, and that is what I was posting above. Far too much is demanded by the workers from our employers so they send much of the work overseas to where things we want can be built at a cost we can afford. When that is gone, so will be our ability to pay for these over-cost items being built with far too high wages. Higher and higher wages and we see higher and higher cost of items. Looked around in the store lately. We are in another inflation of prices for just about everything. Had many of these items been built in the US we would never be able to buy them at all. And our food cost are also rising rapidly due to the cost of the machinery, wages, and fertilizers.

I started my working career at 25 cents per hour. My last wages job of my profession was at about $30.00 per hour in 1975. These days we see demands of $10 per hour in many places and well up in the dollars for professional jobs in the tech industries. It is a shame the way we demand and demand but now we want to bring back to the US what we have sent away to low pay countries so we could afford them.

And yes, socialism is just a control point away from communism. If we put away a lot of these tears about those that have no incentive to do anything but sit on their butts, then maybe they would start to work out of fear of starving to death. Motivation is what keeps many working. Motivation is what brings many to the states from where ever they grew up hungry and unemployed. Socialism is just a big way for some power crazed folks to want to be leaders and directors. Since they take away incentive when leaders they get stuck with lots of folks sitting on their butts rather than lots of folks out doing things for themselves.
 
Yikes! I have never been so glad in my life to be part of the Great Northern Socialist Horde, at least I won't starve to death on the street without medical should my financial situation tank. Yikes!
 
AZ Jim said:
Yes it gives context to your statements. How old are you?
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Born 1933 on July 4th. How does this make my statements better. I started my first payroll job in A&P for 25 cents per hour. Out of high school in 1951 and took a construction job, unionized, at $1.25 per hour. When cold weather approached I went into a draftsman job in a local industry for $1.00 per hour. Military paid me about $350 per month with rank. My latest job was started at $3.50 and many years later it was more about $40.00 per hour in a electronics company with full benefits and 5 weeks vacation with ongoing health plans. It was a pretty good deal for me. I am still receiving retirements from that company and now they no longer carry me in their health plan but with a bit of cash, from the former employer, I am able to buy my own insurance to carry on with the left over problems that Medicare will not cover.

OK, now just what good is all this for the other readers. Likely many of them can say they do better with their medical insurance. Really none of my information is any good to others for any reason. Just don't want to see you crying about something with no merit at all on this or any forum.

Have a good day Jim.
 
The reason I asked is your .25 per hour statement. I worked in '52 for a $1.65. I couldn't believe anyone alive worked for a quarter per hour.
 
BobF said:
The above is somewhat twisted from actual. Many of the changes you speak of were employees choices, not employers demands.

Well, you sure have put your socialist ideas to work here. Profit sharing could still happen but paying the current wages means no profits, and that is what I was posting above. Far too much is demanded by the workers from our employers so they send much of the work overseas to where things we want can be built at a cost we can afford. When that is gone, so will be our ability to pay for these over-cost items being built with far too high wages. Higher and higher wages and we see higher and higher cost of items. Looked around in the store lately. We are in another inflation of prices for just about everything. Had many of these items been built in the US we would never be able to buy them at all. And our food cost are also rising rapidly due to the cost of the machinery, wages, and fertilizers.

I started my working career at 25 cents per hour. My last wages job of my profession was at about $30.00 per hour in 1975. These days we see demands of $10 per hour in many places and well up in the dollars for professional jobs in the tech industries. It is a shame the way we demand and demand but now we want to bring back to the US what we have sent away to low pay countries so we could afford them.

And yes, socialism is just a control point away from communism. If we put away a lot of these tears about those that have no incentive to do anything but sit on their butts, then maybe they would start to work out of fear of starving to death. Motivation is what keeps many working. Motivation is what brings many to the states from where ever they grew up hungry and unemployed. Socialism is just a big way for some power crazed folks to want to be leaders and directors. Since they take away incentive when leaders they get stuck with lots of folks sitting on their butts rather than lots of folks out doing things for themselves.
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That's really interesting Bob.. According to this. http://www.dol.gov/dol/aboutdol/history/flsa1938.htm. The minimum wage was 25 cents an hour back in 1938.. So you REALLY began your career early... like at the age of five? So let's do some math... if you started working at age 16.. that would have been 1949.. and the minimum wage was 75 cents an hour which was up from the previous of 40 cents an hour.... SO.. either you are lying, or your company was breaking the Federal law... which is it Bob?
 
Jim, you and your not so smart female friend need to realize that where I worked for .25 cents per hour was a union run place.

It is not my problem Mrs Smart Mouth. You are the problem on this forum, not me. I worked part time for A&P as a student from high school. UNION rate of that time. Probably 1949 or 1950, both years could have been involved.
 
BobF said:
Jim, you and your not so smart female friend need to realize that where I worked for .25 cents per hour was a union run place.

It is not my problem Mrs Smart Mouth. You are the problem on this forum, not me. I worked part time for A&P as a student from high school. UNION rate of that time. Probably 1949 or 1950, both years could have been involved.
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Name calling again BOB?
 
BobF said:
Jim, you and your not so smart female friend need to realize that where I worked for .25 cents per hour was a union run place.

It is not my problem Mrs Smart Mouth. You are the problem on this forum, not me. I worked part time for A&P as a student from high school. UNION rate of that time. Probably 1949 or 1950, both years could have been involved.
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Sorry... minimum wage in 1949 and 1950 was 75 cents an hour ... you are probabley "misremembering" because I doubt if A&P would break Federal law.
 
Well you for sure have not convinced me of anything at all. I read that entire chart and saw nothing supporting your claims either.

I sure did not work for a union shop for over two years and forgot those years.

You call my post a name calling post? Try to read your own snotty posts a few times. Why can't you just let others post as they see fit without trying to make everyone agree with the way you think. Now that is a bit of name calling from you. Live and let live for a while. But you can't do that as all you far far left socialists think you really do control the earth and its fortunes. One small step further left and you will truly be a communist. There now I am doing some name calling. Won't do any good though as you head is too hard.

I have heard from a couple others that say they will not post much any more as you have really ticked them off with your attacks.
 
QuickSilver said:
Sorry... minimum wage in 1949 and 1950 was 75 cents an hour ... you are probabley "misremembering" because I doubt if A&P would break Federal law.
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By the way.... 75 cents an hour was pretty good money in 1949.... 66 years later... $10 an hour is not a living wage... We need to have the minimum wage somewhere around $15
 
QuickSilver said:
By the way.... 75 cents an hour was pretty good money in 1949.... 66 years later... $10 an hour is not a living wage... We need to have the minimum wage somewhere around $15
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Minimum wages is not supposed to be a living wage anyway. That is a definition created by some. Minimum wage is just that, the least expected to be paid for a certain job, depending on different states rules. I believe $10 would be sufficient and even good wages for some areas and $15 would be obnoxious for beginners in jobs. All these so called raises being demanded are just going to drive the US cost of living out of sight and that is the first step to a major can't afford is to I won't buy it situation. Called a recession.
 
BobF said:
Well you for sure have not convinced me of anything at all. I read that entire chart and saw nothing supporting your claims either.

I sure did not work for a union shop for over two years and forgot those years.

You call my post a name calling post? Try to read your own snotty posts a few times. Why can't you just let others post as they see fit without trying to make everyone agree with the way you think. Now that is a bit of name calling from you. Live and let live for a while. But you can't do that as all you far far left socialists think you really do control the earth and its fortunes. One small step further left and you will truly be a communist. There now I am doing some name calling. Won't do any good though as you head is too hard.

I have heard from a couple others that say they will not post much any more as you have really ticked them off with your attacks.
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Really.... would you care to show some of my "Attacks"... or my "Name Calling".. Please... PLEASE repost them.. I'd be interested in seeing them..
 
AZ Jim said:
1949 .75 per hour per Dept. of labor. as QS stated. http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/coverage.htm
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I believe you are right for full time employees. What I am trying to find, and so far not finding, is for subsets of workers. Like part time, less that 30 hours, or only for certain times, or for juvenile ages such as mine would have been. I did find one for tipped employees and still think others must exist also.

Definition: The hourly federal minimum wage rate for employees who receive tips is currently $2.13 an hour. The amount is higher in some states. The hourly rate plus the tips received must equal the federal minimum wage if the employee keeps all the tips and regularly earns more than $30 a month in tips.
 
BobF said:
I believe you are right for full time employees. What I am trying to find, and so far not finding, is for subsets of workers. Like part time, less that 30 hours, or only for certain times, or for juvenile ages such as mine would have been. I did find one for tipped employees and still think others must exist also.

Definition: The hourly federal minimum wage rate for employees who receive tips is currently $2.13 an hour. The amount is higher in some states. The hourly rate plus the tips received must equal the federal minimum wage if the employee keeps all the tips and regularly earns more than $30 a month in tips.
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NO Bob... no different for Part time... Minimum wage is minimum wage... Part time or full time... SO.... Still wanna claim you were paid 25 cents an hour in 1949??

Oh.. by the way... still waiting for you to post all the examples of my calling people names.. AND will accept your apology for calling me names... Will that be forthcoming?? Yeah... won't hold my breath..
 
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