Bill Cosby sentencing this week

[rgp]

So, by Rgp’s reasoning, I was not a victim of sexual assault, but a willing participant when I accepted the invitation my trusted Professor/mentor extended to me re a friendly celebratory meal and discussion of completion of my thesis? His wife supposedly was only out shopping, expected back any moment. I found out later she was out of town. He caught me by

surprise, overpowered me, and raped me several times. He was 6’4, I am 5’2”. Told me flat out he had planned this for weeks, if I said a word to anyone, I would be blacklisted. He was the chair of the psychology dept in Canada’s most exclusive university. Hugely respected. My career would have been trashed before it even began. I kept quiet.

Apples & Oranges...

Nice try at dodging the issue......Not one of his accusers said he 'overpowered' them. They all admitted going somewhere 'private' willingly , and accepting the beverage / mood relaxer he offered in each case.......

 

[Shalimar]

There were no victims....only willing participants . They [the women] were looking / hoping to gain from his influence. They were all adults, and willing to do 'whatever' to get it....it just did not go as they had hoped.

It's funny that so,so many women before the me-too movement willingly looked past the Bill Clinton accusations by so many women, Paula Jones,Kathleen Willey, and of course Monica , and supported him openly. Even being instrumental in his second election win. It was said at the time that something like 43% of women voted for him.

But now, fast forward 25 +/- years, and any man that ever caressed a woman's booty is the scourge of the earth.....without proof I might add.

It saddens me you feel that way. By your yardstick, I am also tainted by the “hoping to gain from his influence” premise. Contrary to your opinion, the huge majority of women are not as you describe. One in six women are sexually assaulted, two thirds of these assaults are never reported. Views such as you have expressed clearly illustrate why so many of us fear coming forward. I look forward to a day when women are not put on trial for our own sexual assaults.

 

[Shalimar]

Apples & Oranges...

Nice try at dodging the issue......Not one of his accusers said he 'overpowered' them. They all admitted going somewhere 'private' willingly , and accepting the beverage / mood relaxer he offered in each case.......

Excuse me, and do not patronise me. Drugging someone with something that renders them incapacitated and then sexually assaulting them is overpowering them. Quaaludes are a lot more than just a gentle relaxer. Cosby stored oodles of them, admitted to doing so. It is clear you seem to have some negative opinions regarding women. Have a nice day. By the way, I accepted the celebratory cocktails my mentor offered me.

 

[applecruncher]

Just a reminder:
This thread is about the Bill Cosby SENTENCE.

The rgp bait/bicker fest and the rape analysis and details of personal sexual assaults should be in a separate thread or PM/email.

Consider having some respect for members who want to read and comment about the TOPIC.

Thanks

 

[Lara]

...No, he will not be out by Christmas of this year, or next year, or the year after that...unless his conviction is overturned.

He must serve 80% of his 3 year sentence before he can qualify for parole.
At least that's what they said on the news.

 

[applecruncher]

He must serve 80% of his 3 year sentence before he can qualify for parole.
At least that's what they said on the news.

Yes, that's correct. And an appeal takes quite a while.

 

[toffee]

its a wonder he didnt hire a blind dog to court ----grrrrr - give him a mark for the white stick -- not america's dad now are we bill !!

 

[applecruncher]

News report this morning said Cosby must serve a minimum of 3 yrs.
Not sure but I assume that's because his actual sentence was "3 to 10 years".

Just a bit of information...for a federal crime there is no parole; if someone is sentenced to 20 yrs they must serve the full 20 years.

 

[StarSong]

AC - although I am interested in your original topic about Bill Cosby (which has been answered pretty thoroughly), I'm far more concerned about people with attitudes similar to RGP's. Blaming the victim is an age-old deflection of responsibility. It is unlikely that RGP will move forward in his views but perhaps others will as a result of our discussions.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why it's such a big deal to stay on topic. Conversations meander and evolve in real life. Why is it problematic for them to do so in a forum? This is a sincere question, and please forgive me if bringing it up feels like a hijack. I'm not doing a PM on it because I believe others have the same questions and concerns.

 

[rgp]

Just a reminder:
This thread is about the Bill Cosby SENTENCE.

The rgp bait/bicker fest and the rape analysis and details of personal sexual assaults should be in a separate thread or PM/email.

Consider having some respect for members who want to read and comment about the TOPIC.

Thanks

So the thread police speaks once again.........

 

[Sunny]

In all the recent pictures of him, he looks sort of "out of it." Not disturbed, contrite, worried, or anything else like that. Is he putting on a "who cares?" kind of front, or does he have dementia?

 

[rgp]

Excuse me, and do not patronise me. Drugging someone with something that renders them incapacitated and then sexually assaulting them is overpowering them. Quaaludes are a lot more than just a gentle relaxer. Cosby stored oodles of them, admitted to doing so. It is clear you seem to have some negative opinions regarding women. Have a nice day. By the way, I accepted the celebratory cocktails my mentor offered me.

"It is clear you seem to have some negative opinions regarding women. "

Some yes......And you have NONE regarding men?

As for..."Drugging someone with something that renders them incapacitated and then sexually assaulting them is overpowering them. Quaaludes are a lot more than just a gentle relaxer. Cosby stored oodles of them, admitted to doing so. "

Were you there?...did you witness him forcibly drugging them?

The women clearly share responsibility here.......they took a drug ......that you yourself state is much more than a social drink.....Why did they do that ?...to play along and see where it lead. Or they were all just ignorant.

 

[Elsie]

It's not just you, StarSong. I see no harm in meandering around the Cosby sentence issue, especially when one speaks of their own nightmare "Cosby-like caused" experience.

 

[911]

News report this morning said Cosby must serve a minimum of 3 yrs.
Not sure but I assume that's because his actual sentence was "3 to 10 years".

Just a bit of information...for a federal crime there is no parole; if someone is sentenced to 20 yrs they must serve the full 20 years.

In PA, a convicted defendant must serve his minimum sentence before seeking parole. Also, the judge most likely gave Bill three years as a minimum sentence because, again in PA, defendants who are sentenced to more than two years cannot be released on bail and they cannot do any of their time in a County prison.

I am not a lawyer, but I have seen lawyers submit an appeal to a higher court for bail. If the appeals court approves the writ of a habeas corpus, Bill could face the judges and ask that bail be set until his appeals are exhausted. It is unlikely that any higher court would grant a writ of habeas corpus in this situation, but never say never. Higher courts in this state seem to not be willing to over-turn a lower court’s ruling in this type of situation.

 

[rgp]

It saddens me you feel that way. By your yardstick, I am also tainted by the “hoping to gain from his influence” premise. Contrary to your opinion, the huge majority of women are not as you describe. One in six women are sexually assaulted, two thirds of these assaults are never reported. Views such as you have expressed clearly illustrate why so many of us fear coming forward. I look forward to a day when women are not put on trial for our own sexual assaults.

"Contrary to your opinion, the huge majority of women are not as you describe. "

Excuse me...I never opined anything about the majority of women.....I was speaking only about the women in question.

"Views such as you have expressed clearly illustrate why so many of us fear coming forward. I look forward to a day when women are not put on trial for our own sexual assaults."

Then convince your sisters to come forward immediately , and point to the man that assaulted / harmed them........Don't wait decades and then make the claim.

If it was a violent attack/rape ? As horrible as that must be, there is proof, evidence of it happening, bruises , the rape kit, perhaps torn clothing! That is crucial . If it is a 'slight of hand' drugging?...the next day that drug is very likely still in their system.....again crucial.

Decades later, that is all gone. And we're left with he said/she said. And I for one am not going to just arbitrarily believe the woman. IMO @ that point his word is just as compelling as hers.

 

[StarSong]

Decades later, that is all gone. And we're left with he said/she said. And I for one am not going to just arbitrarily believe the woman. IMO @ that point his word is just as compelling as hers.

Notice that Cosby opted against testifying so there's only "she said." If his high-priced lawyers thought his actions were explainable or defensible they sure did a lousy job of presenting that.

Question: How many women need to come forward with virtually the same story (showing his MO) before you'd believe them?

 

[applecruncher]

AC - although I am interested in your original topic about Bill Cosby (which has been answered pretty thoroughly), I'm far more concerned about people with attitudes similar to RGP's. Blaming the victim is an age-old deflection of responsibility. It is unlikely that RGP will move forward in his views but perhaps others will as a result of our discussions.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why it's such a big deal to stay on topic. Conversations meander and evolve in real life. Why is it problematic for them to do so in a forum? This is a sincere question, and please forgive me if bringing it up feels like a hijack. I'm not doing a PM on it because I believe others have the same questions and concerns.

I think it's important to stay on topic - for the most part - because threads often turn into a chat room. If you started a thread about caretaking I'm not going to post recipes or questions about car repairs or share an anecdote about my cat complete with "lol"s.

Sure, sometimes a subject veers off into a subtopic, and (gasp) even I haven't always stuck strictly to the thread title/topic. But the forum is organized into various subjects for a reason. And yes, talking about one's own sexual assault is generally relevant to a discussion about Bill Cosby.

As far as rgp, he often says outrageous things just to get a reaction and argue endlessly. Some buy into it, some don't.

 

[rgp]

Notice that Cosby opted against testifying so there's only "she said." If his high-priced lawyers thought his actions were explainable or defensible they sure did a lousy job of presenting that.

Question: How many women need to come forward with virtually the same story (showing his MO) before you'd believe them?

He denied it through his attorneys , that's the "he" in he said/she said....here.

To answer your question:.....I believe none of them, when the accusation is made decades later.

 

[rgp]

I think it's important to stay on topic - for the most part - because threads often turn into a chat room. If you started a thread about caretaking I'm not going to post recipes or questions about car repairs or share an anecdote about my cat complete with "lol"s.

Sure, sometimes a subject veers off into a subtopic, and (gasp) even I haven't always stuck strictly to the thread title/topic. But the forum is organized into various subjects for a reason. And yes, talking about one's own sexual assault is generally relevant to a discussion about Bill Cosby.

As far as rgp, he often says outrageous things just to get a reaction and argue endlessly. Some buy into it, some don't.

So you think you know my motivations...and present your opinion as fact....Well you are wrong.

I speak my mind, if you think what I say is outrageous I really do not care. But I will respectfully request that you present it as opinion, and not proclaim it as factual.


"and argue endlessly."

So, I / we, are supposed to what? Argue to the point you decide I / we should stop? So that your opinion is the final word on a topic?......Not going to happen with me.

 

[Olivia]

He denied it through his attorneys , that's the "he" in he said/she said....here.

To answer your question:.....I believe none of them, when the accusation is made decades later.

Too bad you weren't on the jury.

 

[applecruncher]

In PA, a convicted defendant must serve his minimum sentence before seeking parole. Also, the judge most likely gave Bill three years as a minimum sentence because, again in PA, defendants who are sentenced to more than two years cannot be released on bail and they cannot do any of their time in a County prison.

I am not a lawyer, but I have seen lawyers submit an appeal to a higher court for bail. If the appeals court approves the writ of a habeas corpus, Bill could face the judges and ask that bail be set until his appeals are exhausted. It is unlikely that any higher court would grant a writ of habeas corpus in this situation, but never say never. Higher courts in this state seem to not be willing to over-turn a lower court’s ruling in this type of situation.

I see; thanks for clarification.

 

[RadishRose]

In all the recent pictures of him, he looks sort of "out of it." Not disturbed, contrite, worried, or anything else like that. Is he putting on a "who cares?" kind of front, or does he have dementia?

Sunny, maybe he had taken some of his Quaaludes? layful: Seriously tho', he might have taken doctor prescribed anti-anxiety meds as I surely would have if I were in his place.

 

[applecruncher]

Here we go again with the dementia label.

No, I don't think he seems out if it.

btw regarding his vision, Bill Cosby has an eye disease called keratoconus. I have it - really affects vision. Corneal surgery can help, but I still struggle.

 

[Sunny]

I don't know anything about his vision, which is pretty irrelevant to this case. I'm referring to his expression in all the pictures I've seen of him being escorted in and out of courtrooms. He either looks totally blank, as if unaware of what's going on around him, or sometimes a little bit happy and pleasant, which is certainly inappropriate for someone in his situation.

Regardless, he is still responsible for the crime that he committed back then, no matter what shape he is in now.

 

[C'est Moi]

I found it ironic that they stated he was getting the "same treatment as any other prisoner," yet they wouldn't allow the press in the courtroom to film him being handcuffed and lead away. Then instead of a police car, he left in a giant SUV. Pretty much the same as the petty thief on trial the same day, I'm sure.