Breaking news. Zimmerman involved in Florida gun incident.

I won't debate with you on this or any subject, it's not a good investment of my time. Troll on..
 

And nothing answers the REAL question, of why Zimmerman felt compelled to disobey the suggestion of the Police and get out of his car and follow his victim. Had he let the police handle it, Trayvon might still be alive.... but then again, after everything that has come to light of late regarding police conduct.... maybe not.
 

Ralphy1 said:
The evidence is that he jumped Zimmerman and that was a bad mistake not knowing that old George was packing heat. An eyewitness testified to Trayvon starting the altercation and the jury believed him. It is wrong to impugn the intelligence of the jury or dismiss their findings...
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What evidence was there that Trayvon jumped Zimmerman, yes we have an eye witness to part of the case where he says he saw Trayvon on top of Z, but where are you getting this other fact from, where are you getting that Trayvon was the one who started this situation? Many of us looked and read through all of the facts of the case and why the jury came to their decisions and even why some may have had other not so good motivations for voting as they did, but it sounds like you are choosing to make up your mind solely based in how your and others bigoted views were founded from the start.

Just the fact that you brought Trayvon into the discussion shows where your head is, the thread wasn't about Trayvon to begin with, it was about Zimmerman and his continued run ins with the law, but you decided to drag a young dead person into this to what purpose but to keep the theme of vilification of a young black man, black youth in general? Deny all one wants, but the evidence by continuing to do this sort of thing is more fact about intent than much anything else.

I personally read through all the trial information with a fine tooth comb, I don't have any intention to recount it, as, Trayvon, wasn't, the topic here, that is the past, but Zimmerman, just seems to keep relevant as far as the headlines hence why the thread seem to come to be. A very sick man who just can't seem to behave.
 
SifuPhil said:
... and they acquitted a Hispanic - wonder of wonders ...
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I think they were going for the white half if you must push the point. :rolleyes: You know, sort of like when some folks who when Obama does something good they claim that side of him. As with other artist and anyone they see make certain strides, must be because they have some other strain of blood mixed in. Not making this up, I hear such things all the time.
 
Shalimar said:
Again and again, the puzzled Canadian asks, why can't we agree to disagree without descending into character assassination?? I don't agree with Ralphy, but I stand up for his right to express his opinion.
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Possibly due to how he tries to shine a light on a people time and time again in such a way you can not but feel such a way to make a point of bringing such a flaw to the forefront. Not all can just brush such things under the carpet time and time again.
 
AprilT said:
I think they were going for the white half if you must push the point. :rolleyes: You know, sort of like when some folks who when Obama does something good they claim that side of him. As with other artist and anyone they see make certain strides, must be because they have some other strain of blood mixed in. Not making this up, I hear such things all the time.
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I believe you. I just wish we lived in a world where none of that mattered, but I know it isn't to be ...
 
Shalimar said:
I see what you mean, April. I had forgotten earlier posts targetting one particular ethnicity. My bad. Debate should not abet :(racism. I retract my previous statement, and offer an apology.
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Thank you, much appreciated. :)

SifuPhil said:
I believe you. I just wish we lived in a world where none of that mattered, but I know it isn't to be ...
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So do I, my friend, so do I. It really breaks my heart that it's not so.
 
Put me squarely in the "OMG... I didn't realize" category. Like so many White people, I was coasting along feeling that things had improved drastically in the area of race and race relations in this country. After all... we elected a Black president didn't we? Well.. seeing how this wonderful man has been consistently treated.. THEN the Zimmerman case.. and all the instances of police brutality and inequality in the justice system that have come to light thanks to cell phone videos and social media. .. I see now that I was fooling myself.. So many Whites want to believe that all is rosy... it's not.. We have some very horrible racist people out there.. It shouldn't be brushed under that rug... I agree April.
 
AprilT said:
I personally read through all the trial information with a fine tooth comb, I don't have any intention to recount it, as, Trayvon, wasn't, the topic here, that is the past, but Zimmerman, just seems to keep relevant as far as the headlines hence why the thread seem to come to be. A very sick man who just can't seem to behave.
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ndynt said:

Yes, he is a very sick man. In my opinion a wannabeacop immoral bully, with extreme anger and control problems. That have been fueled by his "getting away" with all his anger outbursts.

Thinking of the transcripts I read and heard ....between he and his then wife. His telling her to hide funds and how to capitalize on the murder trial notoriety he was getting and hide it. With not one moment of regret for a life lost. What kind of man is this? Like a naughty child seeking attention...even if it is negative? It appears he enjoys all this.

And with this latest incident. Not only had he earlier threatened to kill the man, he went to his work and threatened him afterwards... Now this man tried to shoot him. Wonder what else was going on, that the police were not called for?
I cannot understand why is he allowed to be free? Are we just waiting for the inevitabletrain wreck to occur?

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Sad, to say Nona, Zimmerman, was a hot head in trouble with the justice department long before he shot someone dead, his dad being part of the Justice system helped get him clear the path in earlier days, seems that has possible given the man a feeling of entitlement within the law and how it applies to him in general, so far, it does seem to be working to his favor when looking in from the outside.
 
AprilT said:
I think they were going for the white half if you must push the point. :rolleyes: You know, sort of like when some folks who when Obama does something good they claim that side of him. As with other artist and anyone they see make certain strides, must be because they have some other strain of blood mixed in. Not making this up, I hear such things all the time.
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I always felt that they were just deciding 'against the black kid in the hoody' and Zimmerman could have been a green guy from the moon but that 'black kid, surely must have been up to no good'.

Can you imagine the kind of cop Zimmerman would have been if he'd gotten into the force? He would have been the bad cop that everyone feared. As it is, he's still a jerk that you should steer clear of but at least he doesn't have a badge to flash to make his nastiness even more a problem for society.
 
I look at all the facts to make up my mind regardless of skin color. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, though, I do realise often the deck is stacked in many instances. I looked to see if the jurors hands were tied and they were for the most part in how the voted in this case, but, that was due to how the case was set up, not so much the jurors fault, though there was a particular juror with an agenda who after the fact these details were brought to the forefront. Florida is notorious for not caring about the lives of some people, I've witness this up close and personal. I was warned before I moved here, to the state, by a non-black person, who thought, this was a bad choice for any intelligent forward thinking person, but, me being me, I'm more able to take people on individually and I generally, don't let what everyone around me influence my day to day way of thinking and living, so, always thought, I'd just be able to brush it all off. I'll never forget my first days and months in Tampa, it was a wake up call for sure. I'd never seen a place more divided, some parts, by the way some interacted, I'd thought I stepped back into the 50's. I hated that part of the state particularly in my earlier years in Fl, not just for that reason, but, that was a contributor.
 
AprilT said:
I look at all the facts to make up my mind regardless of skin color. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, though, I do realise often the deck is stacked in many instances. I looked to see if the jurors hands were tied and they were for the most part in how the voted in this case, but, that was due to how the case was set up, not so much the jurors fault, though there was a particular juror with an agenda who after the fact these details were brought to the forefront. Florida is notorious for not caring about the lives of some people, I've witness this up close and personal. I was warned before I moved here, to the state, by a non-black person, who thought, this was a bad choice for any intelligent forward thinking person, but, me being me, I'm more able to take people on individually and I generally, don't let what everyone around me influence my day to day way of thinking and living, so, always thought, I'd just be able to brush it all off. I'll never forget my first days and months in Tampa, it was a wake up call for sure. I'd never seen a place more divided, some parts, by the way some interacted, I'd thought I stepped back into the 50's. I hated that part of the state particularly in my earlier years in Fl, not just for that reason, but, that was a contributor.
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Thankfully, history did not repeat itself with the Jacksonville, Fl Micheal Dunn trial. I was really afraid it would.
 
Shalimar said:
Again and again, the puzzled Canadian asks, why can't we agree to disagree without descending into character assassination?? I don't agree with Ralphy, but I stand up for his right to express his opinion.
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I have to agree. I have nothing to add to this discussion but I want to read all opinions.
 
FWIW, I don’t think the acquittal of George Zimmerman had anything to do with the skin color of the jury. I find that theory to be as offensive as I did the statements that OJ was acquitted because most of the jury was black. And please, let’s not go there - rehash the OJ trial - …..I’m only bringing that up try to make a point.
“All whites stick together and think alike.” (um, no they don’t)
“All blacks stick together and think alike.” (um, no they don’t)
 
applecruncher said:
FWIW, I don’t think the acquittal of George Zimmerman had anything to do with the skin color of the jury. I find that theory to be as offensive as I did the statements that OJ was acquitted because most of the jury was black. And please, let’s not go there - rehash the OJ trial - …..I’m only bringing that up try to make a point.
“All whites stick together and think alike.” (um, no they don’t)
“All blacks stick together and think alike.” (um, no they don’t)
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Not true for me.
 
It's ok to disagree with other members conclusions in many cases.
 

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