California Nordstrom ransacked by a gang of 80 with 25 cars

Our criminal justice system is heavily biased in favor of the criminals. They have "rights", while their victims have little recourse but to suffer.
A few years ago, there was a sheriff in Arizona...sheriff Arpaio...who housed prisoners in tents, and made them wear pink pajamas. They had few privilege's, and their jail time was No picnic. His tactics resulted in very few Repeat Offenders.
 

Don M. said:
Our criminal justice system is heavily biased in favor of the criminals. They have "rights", while their victims have little recourse but to suffer.
A few years ago, there was a sheriff in Arizona...sheriff Arpaio...who housed prisoners in tents, and made them wear pink pajamas. They had few privilege's, and their jail time was No picnic. His tactics resulted in very few Repeat Offenders.
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He was also well known for racial profiling and other shenanigans.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10...aio-cost-arizona-taxpayers-about-100-million/
 
You all will be happy to know that this is not a problem. Our good friend AOC says nothing like this has ever happened.
 

Don M. said:
A few years ago, there was a sheriff in Arizona...sheriff Arpaio...who housed prisoners in tents, and made them wear pink pajamas. They had few privilege's, and their jail time was No picnic. His tactics resulted in very few Repeat Offenders.
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His tactics resulted in a jail sentence. He was one of the first pardoned by the former president.
 
Arresting the perpetrators, making them post appropriate bail, and charging them as felons would seem to be the right responses. Not gonna happen anytime soon in California.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Let's face it. It is an easy way to rob a store. These are well organized invasions. There's very little likelihood that you'll be caught. And even if you do, shop lifting carries mostly a fine, and little jail time. The stores are easy pickings. The stores don't have the security, nor personnel to stop an invasion. You're not going to have the Feds after you, like robbing a bank. It's local cops, who will get there after you're long gone. Quite frankly, I don't know how you can prevent it.
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Unfortunately for these criminals, this is not just a matter of shoplifting. Other charges may be applied such as armed robbery, grand theft, destruction of property, trespassing, menacing and I am sure others that I am not aware of. With cameras, I hope at least some get caught. Very disturbing. They may close that shopping center for good.
 
IFortuna said:
Unfortunately for these criminals, this is not just a matter of shoplifting. Other charges may be applied such as armed robbery, grand theft, destruction of property, trespassing, menacing and I am sure others that I am not aware of. With cameras, I hope at least some get caught. Very disturbing. They may close that shopping center for good.
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That were not just charged with simple theft, but felony companion crimes.
 
I think prisoners should work ...Not!!! chain gains in fields but manufacturing. We have a dearth of manufacturing in the US and could set up a system of factories at prisons to reduce--at least in part-- issues such as reliance on shipping containers stuck in ports, After a person has put in enough hours to pay for the cost of their incarceration for the year, then violent offenders not eligible for parole earn commissary credits etc, Exemplary workers eligible for parole might earn early consideration by the parole board. With today's surveillance tech, it would be easy peasy to ensure prisoners aren't exploited on the job.
 
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AnnieA said:
I think prisoners should work ...Not!!! chain gains in fields but manufacturing. We have a dearth of manufacturing in the US and could set up a system of factories at prisons to reduce--at least in part-- issues such as reliance on shipping containers stuck in ports, After a person has put in enough hours to pay for the cost of their incarceration for the year, then violent offenders not eligible parole for earn commissary credits etc, Exemplary workers eligible for parole might earn early consideration by the parole board. With today's surveillance tech, it would be easy peasy to ensure prisoners aren't exploited on the job.
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I don't know if this is a helpful solution or not. My opinion - we should be looking carefully at countries with very low rates of recidivism and adapt and imitate as many of those approaches as possible. Also would make for-profit prisons illegal. No person or corporations should be able to benefit financially or have a vested interest in increased incarcerations.

The US prison system is badly broken - as is true for many countries.
 
StarSong said:
I don't know if this is a helpful solution or not. My opinion - we should be looking carefully at countries with very low rates of recidivism and adapt and imitate as many of those approaches as possible. Also would make for-profit prisons illegal. No person or corporations should be able to benefit financially or have a vested interest in increased incarcerations.

The US prison system is badly broken - as is true for many countries.
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One thing we've done wrong for years is put non-violent criminals in with violent. That endangers them and they have to develop violent coping skills for protection. And do not get me started on the abysmal "War on Drugs" :rolleyes: which has resulted in incarceration of people who need rehab, not prison sentences. If they refuse or fail rehab, sentence to community service.
 
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ohioboy said:
That is post crime concern, not an on scene prevention/apprehension.
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So far as I know that was a very wealthy area so that people can readily afford to pay for a police force that stays on the job. Why they would be away in the middle of the day is beyond me.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
So far as I know that was a very wealthy area so that people can readily afford to pay for a police force that stays on the job. Why they would be away in the middle of the day is beyond me.
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What is the average response time in your city for such theft calls?
 
ohioboy said:
What is the average response time in your city for such theft calls?
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What response time? Cops never allow anyone to interfere with their extended coffee breaks.

At one time our building's manager instructed me to call the cops whenever a neighbor made noises. One day I did so in response to his instructions. When I did the SOB cop came (without any name tag) and gave me a lecture on how he does not have the time to respond to any form of pettiness like that. Now just imagine how I felt after that extended lecture - how would you feel? SOB cop should have been fired for that crap. Eventually the neighbor was forced to move.
 

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