No it did not go over my head. I was pointing out one of the reasons for the proliferation of gun violence in the US compared to Canada.
Canada banned all handgun sales
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Shalimar
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The polar bears are the worst, all that fur! And, oh, the stench of partially digested raw seal!
Farrah Nuff
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What if ammunition were banned instead of guns? It is, after all, the ammunition that makes guns such a danger, is it not?
SeniorBen
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Fifty-one percent of Americans favor a nationwide ban on the sale of AR-15 rifles and similar semiautomatic assault weapons, while 32% are opposed. An additional 18% hold neither opinion.
https://apnorc.org/projects/views-on-assault-weapons-remain-partisan/
If we were to vote on banning AR-15 style rifles, they would get banned. Since that's the case, do you still support a vote on the matter?
hollydolly
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Good point...
squatting dog
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Yep... a poll conducted by AP-Norc. Well, let's dig a bit deeper and dissect this poll.
NORC is an affiliate of the University of Chicago. Certainly no bias there. Quote from the link you provided....
"AP Norc poll conducted May 12-16 with 1,172 adults".
Wow! 1,172 adults polled. Hmmm,
bet I could poll 1,000 of my friends and get a slightly different percentage then those results. One should always remember, "Figure's lie, and liars Figure".
IKE
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I don't see banning ammunition ever happening but I've made my own rifle and handgun ammunition for many years and like the thousands upon thousands of others that do I'm more than well stocked in the components required to do so for a long time to come......components = primers, brass, powder and bullets.
Warrigal
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What do you use all that ammo for? Is it target practice?
IKE
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Yes ma'am.
jimintoronto
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For those who don't know...In Canada the laws and regulations regarding firearms are NATIONAL, meaning the same rules apply in all parts of our country. Canada also has one national criminal code that applies to all parts of our country. The current governing party campaigned on a promise to reform the laws about guns in Canada. This resulted in the recent tightening of the rules about hand gun sales, transfers , and the importation of hand guns into Canada. Recent national polling surveys showed that almost 80 percent of Canadians want hand guns to be more regulated, and more restricted.
I shouldn't have to say this but.....Canada is a sovereign country, that makes it's own laws, implemented by our Federal Parliament. We don't have to consult with any other nation on what we do here. WE DO live next door to the source of smuggled firearms that are used by criminals in our country. Given that fact, we are trying to tighten our borders to find and seize more hand guns.
That effort by our Canadian Border Services Agency will result in more Americans being subjected to vehicle searches at the ports of entry . Remember that bringing undeclared firearms into Canada is a serious criminal offence, and upon conviction in a Canadian court, the offender will be subject to a prison sentence of at least 5 years, in a Canadian Federal prison, and of course the firearms will be destroyed. Recently a 73 year old man from Florida was found to have 47 hand guns hidden in his motorhome, when he entered Canada at the Niagara Falls, Ontario port of entry. He is currently serving a 12 year sentence in the Millhaven Federal Prison in Ontario. He was being paid by a criminal group in Florida.
JimB.
I shouldn't have to say this but.....Canada is a sovereign country, that makes it's own laws, implemented by our Federal Parliament. We don't have to consult with any other nation on what we do here. WE DO live next door to the source of smuggled firearms that are used by criminals in our country. Given that fact, we are trying to tighten our borders to find and seize more hand guns.
That effort by our Canadian Border Services Agency will result in more Americans being subjected to vehicle searches at the ports of entry . Remember that bringing undeclared firearms into Canada is a serious criminal offence, and upon conviction in a Canadian court, the offender will be subject to a prison sentence of at least 5 years, in a Canadian Federal prison, and of course the firearms will be destroyed. Recently a 73 year old man from Florida was found to have 47 hand guns hidden in his motorhome, when he entered Canada at the Niagara Falls, Ontario port of entry. He is currently serving a 12 year sentence in the Millhaven Federal Prison in Ontario. He was being paid by a criminal group in Florida.
JimB.
JustDave
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I had a friend in Montana that was a gun fanatic. He used a handgun for hunting. He would also compete in handgun competitions, sometimes over the border in Canada. I suppose he had a special permit to bring a handgun into Canada for that purpose. I never asked how he got it across the border. He was a cop, so I'm sure he was quite familiar with the rules.
Wouldn't work for a handloader like me. I make better-quality ammunition than factory produced. And I have the components to make thousands of rounds.
What's the purpose? To shoot at a competitive level requires practice - lots of it. Handloading ammo cuts the cost in half.
jimintoronto
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Your friend would have had to apply, in advance to the Chief Firearms Officer, of the Province in which he wanted to compete. The advance application must be completed BEFORE arriving at the border, on line. The form, and the firearm would be both be reviewed by the Canada Border Services Agency officers at the port of entry, and a temporary importation permit would be issued. On leaving Canada the permit must be returned to the CBSA office at the port of entry. JimB.
Ammo is very expensive. Handloading for handguns cuts the price in half. Handloading for rifle cartridges isn't as great a savings, but enables a serious shooter to fine tune ammo for a particular rifle & find the most accurate combination of bullet weight, shape, & powder charges.
And when I take beginning shooters to the range for instruction, I load lighter loads for them that are not as intimidating so they can develop skills.
Nosy Bee-54
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"One of the most fundamental facts is this: where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths. This should not be a novel or even interesting observation, but rather a widely accepted matter of fact. Yet, because it is a fact that so many choose to ignore, it must be repeated over and over again.
More guns equals more death."
"Across states, researchers found that more guns equal more gun deaths looking at all 50 states in the country from 1981 to 2010.[11] This finding has been replicated in numerous other studies.[12] [13] Importantly, states with both lax gun laws and greater access to guns have higher rates of mass shootings.[14]"
"This does not mean taking guns from law-abiding citizens or preventing someone who goes through the necessary procedures from owning a firearm. But gun violence comes in at least four different forms (i.e., suicide, mass shootings, domestic violence, and urban gun violence) and each requires its own unique policy solutions. The reality is that no single policy will substantially reduce even one type of gun violence, much less all forms put together."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...UQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1rRRIrtDFUZl16UHmBvE7M
More guns equals more death."
"Across states, researchers found that more guns equal more gun deaths looking at all 50 states in the country from 1981 to 2010.[11] This finding has been replicated in numerous other studies.[12] [13] Importantly, states with both lax gun laws and greater access to guns have higher rates of mass shootings.[14]"
"This does not mean taking guns from law-abiding citizens or preventing someone who goes through the necessary procedures from owning a firearm. But gun violence comes in at least four different forms (i.e., suicide, mass shootings, domestic violence, and urban gun violence) and each requires its own unique policy solutions. The reality is that no single policy will substantially reduce even one type of gun violence, much less all forms put together."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...UQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1rRRIrtDFUZl16UHmBvE7M
SeniorBen
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Banning AR-15 style rifles would definitely decrease the number of mass murders. There's no weapon readily available to the general public that is anywhere near as deadly.
Ya know what's really amusing?
Someone who lacks firearms knowledge but tries to sound knowledgeable because he thinks guns are a macho thing & he wants to sound.....manly.
SeniorBen
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Maybe I should try "Nugenics [sic] Man Booster!"Ya know what's really amusing?
Someone who lacks firearms knowledge but tries to sound knowledgeable because he thinks guns are a macho thing & he wants to sound.....manly.
A bit of research would be more beneficial. You would then have some knowledge - much better than parroting whatever a news reporter says for dramatic effect.Maybe I should try "Nugenics [sic] Man Booster!"
AR-15's fire the .223 cartridge is one of the lowest-power rifle cartridges available. Power is determined by Foot pounds. of energy; in other words, how much it weighs & how fast is it going. Compare its power to other common calibers:
.223 - 1,200 ft. Lbs. energy
30-30 - 2,150 ft. lbs. energy
308 Winchester - 2,650 ft. lbs. energy
30-06 - 3,200 ft. lbs. energy
45-70 - 3,600 ft. lbs. energy
senior chef
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I had a similar incident in 1996. I had been driving with my RV across the northern U.S. and I decided to cut across Canada at the Detroit/U.S. border to see the sights and see Niagra Falls. There was a sign at Canadian customs to declare any firearms. Since I often had camped at some very lonely spots, I had a hand gun hidden in the RV for self protection and I reported it to them.
The Canadian customs really made a big deal about my pistol. Together, we went into the Rv and I was about to fetch it from it's hiding place when the agent said, "STOP ! Don't touch it " He acted like I might shoot him . He wanted to confiscate it , and gave me a big lecture saying that it was illegal in the U.S. to transport guns. He did not like it one bit when i told him, "Wrong ! As long as no driver/passenger can access it while moving, it is perfectly legal. " He said you may not enter Canada with any gun. I replied, "Ok, fine. Put the gun back in it's hiding place and I'll go back into the U.S. Which I did.
jimintoronto
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The reason that you were NOT arrested was because you declared that your vehicle contained what is in Canada a " restricted firearm ". The CBSA officer COULD have seized the pistol AND charged you with a indictable offence ( we don't have felonies in Canada ) and you would have been off to jail and later a trial. Upon conviction you COULD have received a prison sentence of up to 14 years. The CBSA officer would have entered your identity in the CPIC national criminal records files before you went back across the border, and if you ever attempt to enter our country again, your record will immediately come up on the computer screen at the first inspection booth, and you will be sent for secondary inspection. Remember...Our Country...Our Rules. JimB,.
senior chef
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Ok, your country, your rules. However, if a thug tried to break into my RV in the middle of the night, while I was traveling in Canada, I'd be completely helpless without a gun.
Perhaps you believe there are no thugs in Canada ?
Alligatorob
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What are the handgun laws in Mexico where you live now?
jimintoronto
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Nicely done. Lets see if he will answer, or not. JimB.