Cannabis

Mt. Doherty from the BVA calls marijuana a "narcotic". That's wrong.

Marijuana is pharmacologically different from opiates and derivative compounds.
 
Cap'n Mike said:
This story has emerged on the news here in the UK, so is growing Cannabis at home legal in the US?

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/woman-comes-home-her-cats-192038616.html
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Let's hope that people pay attention to this and act correctly. During the LSD craze, many people, who were themselves users, decided to share their experiences with pets and children. It was horror for the victims. There's no doubt in my mind that there are plenty of people doing the same with marijuana-laced sweets. People who do this belong in prison or the cemetery.

There are states which have passed laws in contravention of federal law. The federal government is obviously afraid to prosecute offenders in those states. Former illegal marijuana now sell other dangerous drugs in an atmosphere of tolerance. Drug overdose is now the leading cause of "accidental" death in this country. Needless to say, it's also a handy way to commit murder—and get away with it.

It begins with marijuana.
 

Cap'n Mike said:
This story has emerged on the news here in the UK, so is growing Cannabis at home legal in the US?

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/woman-comes-home-her-cats-192038616.html
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Generally not. One picture is worth a thousand words, so here's the situation in a nutshell:

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Looks like 8 states allow recreational use, and 19 other states allow MJ use for medical purposes only.


Marijuana has been shown to be a 'low risk' substance, so all the overblown hoopla over the last 70 can be laid to rest.

The Feds are slow to give up control, so it may be another 50 years before they figure out what's what.
 
SifuPhil said:
Mt. Doherty from the BVA calls marijuana a "narcotic". That's wrong.

Marijuana is pharmacologically different from opiates and derivative compounds.
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Yes it is. As of July 1, 2018, recreational marijuana will be legal in Canada. I very much doubt civilsation as we

know it will be compromised. Medicinal pot is already legal, my son’s mother in law, a university professor, takes it for RA. It has improved her life immeasurably. She no longer requires any pharmaceutical meds.

I have enjoyed pot for over four decades. No adverse effects. Alchohol, however, is potentially harmful when ingested over time in anything but small amounts. Certainly, the Canadian Medial Association believes so.
 
SifuPhil said:
Ah, the Harry J. Anslinger quote of the day!
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I think, in many instances, it is a generational divide. Our parents generation tended toward considerable alcohol consumption, largely a social thing. Many smoked like chimneys as well—dangers of nicotine unknown until the sixties. I doubt many of

them considered alcohol to be a drug. “Ministry of Drugs and Alcohol” type of mindset. Subsequent generations often have a different viewpoint. Frankly, prescription meds are far more liable to be gateway drugs than pot will ever be. Give it 25 years, and people will wonder what the fuss was all about.
 
Shalimar said:
I think, in many instances, it is a generational divide. Our parents generation tended toward considerable alcohol consumption, largely a social thing. Many smoked like chimneys as well—dangers of nicotine unknown until the sixties. I doubt many of

them considered alcohol to be a drug. “Ministry of Drugs and Alcohol” type of mindset. Subsequent generations often have a different viewpoint. Frankly, prescription meds are far more liable to be gateway drugs than pot will ever be. Give it 25 years, and people will wonder what the fuss was all about.
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The dangers of cigarette smoking were known in the thirties. Adolf Hitler commissioned a study in Germany which came to the same conclusions that an American study did twenty years later.
 
Big Horn said:
Do you dispute it?
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Yes, I do.

The fallacy of marijuana as a gateway drug was part of the propaganda campaign from the '30's. During that time it was said that weed use would lead to insanity or sexual promiscuity. "Reefer madness" was supposedly confined to jazz musicians, Mexicans, and blacks.

Much of this came from Anslinger, the head of the new Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Some of his statements -



  • [*=1]“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are *****es, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with *****es, entertainers, and any others.”
    [*=1]“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

    [*=1] “Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

    [*=1] “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

    [*=1] “Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

    [*=1] “You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

    [*=1] “Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

And he loved to pull out his own version of the “assassin” definition:
“In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs’ ‘hashashin’ that we have the English word ‘assassin.'”


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William Randolph Hurst also gave a boost to the propaganda. He disliked Mexicans and blacks, and had invested heavily in timber, which investment was threatened by the production of hemp. Some of his articles at the time -


  • “Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days — Hashish goads users to bloodlust.”
  • “By the tons it is coming into this country — the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms…. Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him….”

And other nationwide columns…

  • “Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug.”
  • “Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim’s life in Los Angeles?… THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES — that is a matter of cold record.”

After the effects of the film Reefer Madness (1936) ran their course a new and improved theory was formulated - that marijuana usage was the first step toward hard drug use.

In 1951 and 1956, amendments to the Harrison Narcotic Act and the Narcotic Control Act mandated longer sentences for weed usage. Note the use of the term "narcotic".

The narrative since then has been a continual litany of:


  • Politicians wanting to appear tough on crime and passing tougher penalties
  • Constant increases in spending on law enforcement and prisons
  • Racist application of drug laws
  • Taxpayer funded propaganda
  • Stifling of opposition speech
  • Political contributions from corporations that profit from marijuana being illegal (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etc.)

Marijuana as a gateway drug? You might as well say that learning to ride a bike leads to eventual death in a car accident, or that drinking Mother's milk leads to alcoholism. One can always point to a meth head or coke freak and say "See? They started with weed!". But what of the millions and millions who smoke/toke/vape/eat marijuana, for both recreational and medicinal purposes, and never progress to anything stronger?
 
Shalimar said:
Yes it is. As of July 1, 2018, recreational marijuana will be legal in Canada. I very much doubt civilsation as we

know it will be compromised. Medicinal pot is already legal, my son’s mother in law, a university professor, takes it for RA. It has improved her life immeasurably. She no longer requires any pharmaceutical meds.

I have enjoyed pot for over four decades. No adverse effects. Alchohol, however, is potentially harmful when ingested over time in anything but small amounts. Certainly, the Canadian Medial Association believes so.
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Thank you for that. One of the better benefits of moving to Canada - having relief from constant pain without taking a cornucopia of drugs, from which relief is achieved only at dangerously high levels of dosage and with the concurrent side-effects that are often worse than the original pain itself.

As you know, I was an OMD (Doctor of Oriental Medicine). For thousands of years the Chinese knew of and used marijuana preparations for a variety of ills. But then, they didn't have to deal with the political and social fallout of propaganda.

Alcohol? As you also know, I worked in the "social entertainment" industry (bars and clubs) and saw, and dealt with, the effects of alcoholic imbibing. Ugly. Never had any problems with stoners, though, other than having them buy out the snacks supply.
 
You didn't make a convert. I'll never use it. I wonder what percentage of heroin addicts have never used it. I've neither frequented nor worked in a bar or "club" so I'll defer to your greater knowledge of the demimonde.
 
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I tried weed a few times while in Vietnam and although I have no ill feelings whatsoever against those that use it for recreational or medical purposes it's just not my cup of tea.

Like Phil, in my younger days I was also a on and off bouncer in bars and I'll have to agree that all of my troublesome encounters with patrons involved those under the influence of alcohol not those that were smoking pot.
 
neotheone said:
Generally not. One picture is worth a thousand words, so here's the situation in a nutshell:

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Looks like 8 states allow recreational use, and 19 other states allow MJ use for medical purposes only.


Marijuana has been shown to be a 'low risk' substance, so all the overblown hoopla over the last 70 can be laid to rest.

The Feds are slow to give up control, so it may be another 50 years before they figure out what's what.
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A few of the states which have legalized marijuana for medical use still prohibit individuals from growing it in their own homes. But as the article in the original post states there are many household plants which may cause harms to cats and other pets. People are always warned this time of year about the dangers of poinsettia plants to their pets. When I was a child we lost a pet rabbit because it ate some oleander leaves that were in our yard. So in my mind it has nothing to do at all with the marijuana plant being legal or not legal but the neglect of the pet owner being careful enough to prevent her cats from eating a plant that can cause harm.
 
We could quickly end the marijuana problem. Impose a mandatory fifty year prison sentence with no possibility of parole for selling or giving marijuana to others. When a few thousand people have been convicted and imprisoned, potential offenders will take note.
 
Big Horn said:
We could quickly end the marijuana problem. Impose a mandatory fifty year prison sentence with no possibility of parole for selling or giving marijuana to others. When a few thousand people have been convicted and imprisoned, potential offenders will take note.
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No they won't. Potential offenders who "sell or give marijuana" have their eye on the Ca$h, think they're invincible, and don't think about consequences. They live for today and never plan for tomorrow. It's a mental issue combined with selfishness and greed that outweighs the risk.
 
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Shalimar said:
Yes it is. As of July 1, 2018, recreational marijuana will be legal in Canada. I very much doubt civilsation as we

know it will be compromised. Medicinal pot is already legal, my son’s mother in law, a university professor, takes it for RA. It has improved her life immeasurably. She no longer requires any pharmaceutical meds.

I have enjoyed pot for over four decades. No adverse effects. Alchohol, however, is potentially harmful when ingested over time in anything but small amounts. Certainly, the Canadian Medial Association believes so.
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I'm not looking forward to marijuana legalization in Canada. We have enough problems without introducing another mind altering substance..

No adverse effects? Not short term maybe but in the long run. You can't be smoking and not have adverse affects.
 
IMO legalization is about generating revenue for the government and has nothing to do with health and safety.

I think we should decriminalize growing, possession and use of small amounts of marijuana by individuals. We have wasted far too much money and ruined far too many young lives over an issue that really is not much of a threat to our public safety. I also have no problem with the various forms of medical marijuana. Maybe it's a generational thing but I don't see a need to legalize marijuana or glamorize it by selling it in a boutique at the local shopping mall.

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this." - Albert Einstein
 
From my own experience I know it is legal in Oregon. They have shops that sell it, at least in some forms I saw, as gummy bears, for one. I've been having some pain and was willing to try one out of my gal-friends bag she bought. Back in the day, when I tried pot, I got freaked, laughed a lot yes, but got the ebeegeebees. So call me a light-weight, I'm glad about that in many ways. She told me to only take a quarter of this gummy, sooooo glad that's all I chewed up. I think it looked so good, and I like gummies.

It tasted good too. I ate it at home, one evening, more out of curiosity if it might help with some of my issues (nerve pain, tinnitus). I think it was like 15 minutes I realized I felt very "in tune" with everything around me. I think the word is hypersensitive, but I heard the tinnitus louder, and every thing I was doing made me laugh. Everything was way more pronounced. I suppose some folks might like that, but it didn't help me with pain at all. It took about 4 hours before I felt "back to normal" which I admit, isn't that great either but I am familiar with that feeling, LOL!

I think it would, and will be attractive to the young people of today, just my opinion. If older adults want to use it, I think it's ok, but being responsible is good. I can also add that ingesting pot is VERY different than alcohol, and alcohol is legal. Alcohol makes me crazy, ok, crazier than I already am.

Well I thought I had a pic, but that wasn't the ones;)
 
Big Horn said:
We could quickly end the marijuana problem. Impose a mandatory fifty year prison sentence with no possibility of parole for selling or giving marijuana to others. When a few thousand people have been convicted and imprisoned, potential offenders will take note.
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Hope you have room for those in Wyoming prisons, California prisons are filled to capacity with real criminals to worry about.
 
Big Horn said:
We could quickly end the marijuana problem. Impose a mandatory fifty year prison sentence with no possibility of parole for selling or giving marijuana to others. When a few thousand people have been convicted and imprisoned, potential offenders will take note.
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I think that this might be an excellent idea for the actual drug dealers who sell dangerous drugs to other people, and especially to children.
I do not think that marijuana fits into this catagory, and I think that more people are hooked on drugs from medications that were at first legally prescribed to them by their doctors than got there from smoking pot.
There are many children that are on prescription mind-altering drugs from the time that they start school, or even before, and actually, a lot of these children would be fine if they had a better diet, with less sugary foods, and maybe more attention from their parents.

My friend who died from a drug overdose became addicted when she started having severe back pain, and her doctor put her on pain medication.
When they took her off of the medication because they realized that she was addicted, she started buying the pain meds illegally, both because she was addicted, and also because she was in terrible pain for the issues with her back.
She accidentally overdosed, or maybe got some bad drugs (no one knows for sure), and died.
She had never smoked pot, and didn’t even drink; but because of addiction to prescription drugs, she died. She was only in her late 20’s, and it was a sad and unnecessary waste of a good person’s life.

I have been reading about the health benefits of cannabis, and it seems to me that it would be safer to use than most of the addictive drugs that doctors put people on. From what I have read, the leaves have the most healing properties, as well as the least mind-altering properties, and when added into a green smoothie, they can be very healing, and not addictive, although they do help with pain, and also with seizures.

I live in a state where it is not legal, but if it were, I would definitely try growing some and using the leaves in a green smoothie for thehealth benefits.
 

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