Cleveland Indians will become Cleveland Guardians

Pepper said:
A few years ago (five?) Whoopi Goldberg, on The View, asked non black viewers to not say the 'n' word. Her people, said Whoopi, found it distressing. She said more, but that is the gist. It was a moment for me. When a member of a group asks so sweetly not to do something, why should I do it? What kind of schmuck would I be to use it? Did I need the names of the exact black people, the amount of black people besides Whoopi before I took her word for it? Nope. Why not? Because I'm not a dick. I didn't need a survey or a poll of black folks to convince me. One was enough. Same goes here. How about using the NYC Yids? The NJersey Wops? It is common sense and obvious we no longer do these things. It's no longer apropos. No big deal. What's the inner need for using 'redskins', etc. What's wrong with someone insisting they must use these terms? Simple. Dicks.
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I agree with you but it needs to be clear that neither whites nor blacks should be allowed to use that term ..... speaking of the law and what is legal, I mean. If some can and others not then the "N-word" ought to be reintroduced just to make a point.
 

horseless carriage said:
You're not wrong there, Holly. Do you remember a few years ago someone getting their knickers in a twist over the word, "Christmas?"
We can't have that, it's an insult to non Christian religions and to those who lead a secular life. No, no, no, we must replace it to be all encompassing.
"Happy Winterval."
Then some other micky taker said, "I'm from Australia, it's my summer, hell, I'm insulted."
Winterval was quietly swept under the carpet.
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For a while it was X-mas here but now it's just happy holidays.
 
Well, @Alligatorob, I think once 'redskins' is gotten rid of, so should 'Indian', if only just by association.

As for why non-whites should not use the 'n' word but it's ok if black people do, I say 'So what.' Why should I care?
 

The Kansas City Chiefs have taken the "Arrowhead" sign on their large stadium scoreboard down....and some are demanding that the Chiefs change their nickname. This "movement" just gets more silly, with every announcement.
 
Verisure said:
I agree with you but it needs to be clear that neither whites nor blacks should be allowed to use that term ..... speaking of the law and what is legal, I mean. If some can and others not then the "N-word" ought to be reintroduced just to make a point.
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We don't do that. Words are not illegal. Their use is not illegal. It's a choice, and it shows "you" as the person "you" are.
 
Just think of all the small town elementary and high school teams that use the Indian logo. My daughter,s son’s played Indian football and baseball In their town. She said the town would never bear the expense of changing the name.
 
GAlady said:
Just think of all the small town elementary and high school teams that use the Indian logo. My daughter,s son’s played Indian football and baseball In their town. She said the town would never bear the expense of changing the name.
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Its not a small thing, lots would have to change.

I worked for the Forest Service back when the decision to take the N word off of maps and things was made. I supported that, but it took a lot of changing and reprinting. And a bit of awkwardness at first, getting used to saying "***** Creek" or *****head Rock". Worth it in the end.
 
Pepper said:
.................... As for why non-whites should not use the 'n' word but it's ok if black people do, I say 'So what.' Why should I care?
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.... because if racism on the community level concerns you then racism on the judicial level should concern you just as much, if not more. That is to say that if racial slurs against blacks, Indians, Asians, etc. is wrong/illegal then lawful racism against whites (by racial selection) ought to be equally wrong.
 
Pepper said:
We don't do that. Words are not illegal. Their use is not illegal. It's a choice, and it shows "you" as the person "you" are.
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I think it is a matter of law, actually. I do believe that you can be arrested for calling a black person some racial term, being considered an aggressive act ... no?
 
It could be a 'Hate' crime, but that is recent and the word can be used freely not against someone, but in general.
 
GAlady said:
Just think of all the small town elementary and high school teams that use the Indian logo. My daughter,s son’s played Indian football and baseball In their town. She said the town would never bear the expense of changing the name.
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Eventually social pressure will force the change - likely the student body will come to demand it. Children wake up far sooner than adults do.

That something has been done for a long time has never been a good reason to continue.

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I think the former Redskins have decided to stay with their current name. Not sure. As far as the Guardians some are whining it too closely resembles Indians. We should change the name of our country from America to "Horrible People." Of course we would need to change our anthem to something more fitting of our current society and call it. "No Matter What You Do Or Say You Are Evil."
 
I can understand why they might find the Cleveland Indians' logo a bit offensive:
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Native American comedian Larry Omaha on the subject:

I've been asked if I'm offended by teams named Redskins I say no, not at all. The only people that really have red skins are sun burned white people. Keep the name. Change the mascot to a white guy laying on a beach towel.
 
Verisure said:
I don't think the term Indian is offensive to them, is it? Maybe I missed that detail in the discussion? I'm thinking more of calling all of them "Indian Joe" or "Chief" and "Indian giver" and assuming they live in "teepees" and smoke "peace pipes" when they want to be friends or make up with someone. Those sort of things.
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Indian isn't offensive here with Choctaw. They use the formal term "Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians" and refer to themselves as both Choctaw and Indian in short form and Indian is in no way considered a slur to them if neighboring blacks and whites use it. I also did research in MLIS grad school on several Native American library services and found pretty much the same ... Native Americans commonly use their tribal name and also Indian moreso than Native American.
 
Verisure said:
You are not being highly informative. The American Indian is indigenous to "the new world". In continental European languages there are two words denoting people from India and people from the Americas. In Swedish for example Indier (from India) and Indian (from the American continent).
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"You are not being highly informative." You're right, I never was all that informative.
"The American Indian is indigenous to "the new world". And there was me thinking that Indians lived in India, as they say, you live and learn.
In continental European languages there are two words denoting people from India and people from the Americas.
In European English there were six words used back in the 1940's. What was it?

In Swedish for example Indier, from India and Indian from the American continent.
You can't trust the Swedes with the English language. You only have to look at the name of one their largest motor manufacturers.
 
horseless carriage said:
"You are not being highly informative." You're right, I never was all that informative.
"The American Indian is indigenous to "the new world". And there was me thinking that Indians lived in India, as they say, you live and learn.
In continental European languages there are two words denoting people from India and people from the Americas.
In European English there were six words used back in the 1940's. What was it?

In Swedish for example Indier, from India and Indian from the American continent.
You can't trust the Swedes with the English language. You only have to look at the name of one their largest motor manufacturers.
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Oh my, what part to take seriously and where to start?:)

* No, American Indians are .... wait for it ..... from the Americas.
* There are six words in British English for "Indians"? I hope you are not including "West Indians" and ... and ... and .. what are the other ones?
* We don't speak English in Sweden, thank God. Otherwise, we'd never know which "Indians" we were talking about. Well, as I was saying, in Swedish an "Indier" is from India and an "Indian" comes from the Americas.
 
StarSong said:
Eventually social pressure will force the change - likely the student body will come to demand it. Children wake up far sooner than adults do.
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You could be right, and its probably best for us to leave this one in the hands of the next generation. They are pretty much in charge now, and hopefully wiser than us.

Have we beat this one to death?
 
It bothers me at Christmas when all the store folks say Happy Holidays when they used to say Merry Christmas! I know they had to change due to PC now but I just smile, nod and go on my way. Due to the virus I don't get out much any more so I won't be bothered. Christmas is a special time for me because of my faith. Its a daily thing really for me but I love the Christmas services at Church and the rituals I observe. But again thats just me Everybody has their own faith and traditions that I respect. My way is not the only way.
 

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