Concealed Gun Carrier Stopped Attack on Others by Man With Infected Hypodermic Needle

the legislation was passed by the antigun group not the progun people (the liked the way it was before) in case you missed that, the same group that passes legislation that allows swat teams to enter without a warrant because they believe the police will do the protecting.

again --- its part of the lies sold by the antigun group that goes with the statistics that laws reduce crime..
 

re:these are the reasons Florida has recently passed legislation allowing a warning shot to be fired, and many other states will follow this model .


If other states are following this legislation then it got to be a good idea.IMO
 
rt3 said:
... weapon retention techniques, are cop domain, few perts would try to wrestle the gun from you, it would risk an accidental misfire, with an unknown outcome. they exist in the same world as martial artists concept of taking a gun away. its possible but unless your willing to die, really bad odds.
Click to expand...

If you're on the wrong end of a gun barrel though you're already facing pretty bad odds and are likely to die, so what do you have to lose? Especially if you're trained for it.

Retention techniques, although admittedly the main domain of cops, is also applicable and trained by soldiers, security guards, martial artists and survivalists. If you're going to open-carry the least you should do is to become aware of your environment, who is in it and the exposure of your weapon at every moment.
 

most robberies end without a shooting, and the antigun crowd uses this as a reason to be passive and give the robber or attacker what they want. this is the basis for their rational--- people really don't need to pack.
statistics also show that out of the number of handgun shootings there are surprisingly few fatalities.

weapon retention to security personal, is for liability reasons as much as stopping a grab. If the person having the gun even suspects the person on the other end is trained they will not allow the defensive perimeter to be changed. Today with all the movie kaka, martial arts kaka in the media and video games, the entire field has shifted. The only sure way, if you can call it that, is to assume the person across from you is as well trained as you are in giving themselves an advantage using weapons, knowledge etc. Even with this assumption your chance of winning is only 33% because there are 3 outcomes, win - lose - draw. This is the basic reason why a warning shot is so stupid, I can't even believe it came up. The actual fact of the matter is that most people are such terrible shots with a handgun, it is 90% probability (statistics, taken from Gunsite, ThunderRanch) that the first shoot will be a warning shot, due to the fact they missed. And this includes the police!!!!!!!!!
Is this a good argument as the antigun crowd uses this all the time to support weapon restriction?

what about the little old lady who fired her gun at the intruder in her home, missed but the coward left anyway? she was trying to hit, so the intent was there. if you think Martin was a legal nightmare wait till this stuff starts to come up. most states that allow carry, hold that if you have to fire a warning shot, you were not in danger.

open carry-- if you open carry in most states that allow it, the police will pick you up for "disturbing the peace" Utah recently passed a law that specifically blocks the police from using this as a charge, pretty neat,

more than 95% of all attacks are NOT done in a crowd. this is the basis that got the warning shot thru the process.
 
re:more than 95% of all attacks are NOT done in a crowd.

95% really?where did you get that figure? There seem to be a lot more shooting in crowds in the last couple of yesars
 
There are also a lot more "trashings" going on in malls and storefronts - large groups of "youths" going on a rampage, stealing stuff and knocking things down. Everyone just stands to the side and videos it for YouTube.

I never heard of the 95% figure either - I'd be interested to know its provenance.
 
SifuPhil said:
There are also a lot more "trashings" going on in malls and storefronts - large groups of "youths" going on a rampage, stealing stuff and knocking things down. Everyone just stands to the side and videos it for YouTube.

I never heard of the 95% figure either - I'd be interested to know its provenance.
Click to expand...

I'd think there would be more heros on the streets/malls but maybe that's only in the movies. I know once in awhile we hear about someone willing to give their life for another, I'm talking civilians. Lots of heros in our military, fireman, police officers, and also our health-care workers that are in danger every day of different contagions. I know there are more as well. But some nut that would rather take a video of someone being beaten, something wrong with that picture for sure:(
 
FBI , NRA, Gunsite and ThunderRanch keep running totals. Especially the FBI, they also keep the breakdowns on what weapons are used. this is a very serious contention between anti gun and progun people. According to both federal and state laws, the FBI must destroy the paper work for a firearms backround check within a short time frame. Antigun people want this information retained in a national registry for reference, any one who is interested under the freedom of information act (including news papers to publish list of who is packin in your neighborhood). can play with it as they wish. Progun people quote this as violations of at least 3 different amendments.
from the FBI your need for protection will occur within 7 yards or closer,, this is the reported statistic of most attacks, the 7-10 yard barrier is considered the distance a knife attack can be made successfully.
I guess stevie Nix in Fleetwood Mac had it right in "Heros are hard to find"'

The problem is much deeper in the sense our hero traditions are based in Greek Mythology. Consider all the movies today. Being a Greek hero is a hard act to follow. We need to give credit to people as heros, who give their time to pet shelters, Special Olympics -- they are the real heros.
no offense, but wild crowds thrashing and trashing doesn't count. same category as DUI, vandalism etc.
 
rt3 said:
from the FBI your need for protection will occur within 7 yards or closer,, this is the reported statistic of most attacks, the 7-10 yard barrier is considered the distance a knife attack can be made successfully.
Click to expand...

I'm still a bit confused on that yardage - 7-10 yards is knife attack distance???

I guess stevie Nix in Fleetwood Mac had it right in "Heros are hard to find"'

The problem is much deeper in the sense our hero traditions are based in Greek Mythology. Consider all the movies today. Being a Greek hero is a hard act to follow. We need to give credit to people as heros, who give their time to pet shelters, Special Olympics -- they are the real heros.
Click to expand...

I'm not interested in being a hero - in my opinion that's an over-used term these days. I just don't want to see the innocents get slaughtered.

no offense, but wild crowds thrashing and trashing doesn't count. same category as DUI, vandalism etc.
Click to expand...

I would think it would also lead to assault charges when they smash into the bystanders.
 
the 7-10 yardage rule is a rule of thumb gun fighters use before trigger press on a knife attack. it is the time a big knife can take you out even if you have a gun. beyond that range most gunfight schools recommend only sight picture.
not suggesting anyone be a hero, that is the point of my post, the term innocent really doesn't mean anything, legally it means people with no liability, it urban slang it simply means no dog in this fight, or wrong place at the wrong time.

that would be assault and battery.
 
Another Case Where A Concealed Carry May Have Saved Lives

The media would have been all over the place screaming about gun violence and gun control if this mentally ill (putting it nicely) person had been able to follow through on his plans for the folks that he herded into a break room. Fortunately a customer with a concealed carry weapon was able to stop him in his tracks before innocent victims were further harmed or killed...http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/...-general-meets-concealed-carry-permit-holder/
 
The question has to be asked: How did the now dead mentally ill person get hold of a gun in the first place?
Second question, was his gun loaded? The article did not tell us anything about him.
 
I just viewed the video.
The second gunman, the "good Samaritan", is within his rights under the law in Alabama but co-incidentally he is awaiting trial for rape of an underage girl.
Hmmn. Too much testosterone?
 
I don't feel the need to find fault with this man regarding this particular incident. He stepped in and potentially saved lives, he's a hero in my book. I just hope if I was being herded into a back room to await my fate, that I'll be lucky enough to have someone come in and save me, I'd be very grateful.
 
The video talks about a customer and the cashier.
The Selma-Times Journal talks about a group of people.
Either way I doubt that they were going to be shot.
More likely just locked in the store room while he made off with the cash.

It would be good to see security video to make sensible judgements about what really happened.
A man is dead. There should be some sort of coronial inquiry.
 
According to this article, they say that the way he was talking to the people in the store, did not indicate that there was any attempt to steal any money. There doesn't seem to be any further information yet on this case. But, in my opinion, if you go into a store waving a gun around and threatening people, you can expect to be shot either by the police or someone else with a firearm. I have no sympathy for the criminal at all, better to see him dead, than give him the chance to kill innocent victims.

On Friday, District Attorney Michael Jackson said he doesn't expect Marlo Ellis to face any charges in the incident at the Dollar General.

"In Alabama you have the right to defend yourself or a third party so when the perpetrator went in there with a gun anybody in the store had the right to deadly force and that's what happened so he actually was a Good Samaritan in this situation because other people could have been injured if he hadn't taken action," Jackson told WSFA.

As for McLaughlin's intentions, he said there were "rumors and speculations" circulating that would be sorted out in the course of the investigation.

"I don't know why he went in there waving a gun at the people. Whatever reason he went in there for, it was very serious. Anytime someone goes into store and points guns at people, then anybody in the store has the right to use deadly force against that person," he added.

http://www.wsfa.com/story/24474261/...mer-kills-gun-wielding-man-in-dallas-co-store
Click to expand...
 
There are quite a few schools in the USA that teach crisis control with firearms. Most of the better ones also teach rifle, shotgun classes. Their primary purpose is to teach firearms safety and legal use to people unfamiliar with weapons. Some of them have very advanced training and are used by the major law enforcement agencies. The main difference, however, are they are open to the public in contrast to say the DOE which is closed. some even teach over sea operatives, or contractors which serve as body guards. The instructors are very good and are trained to help people who are mentally challenged and against the use of deadly force. A special invitation was presented to Peirs Morgan (sp) but everybody knew it was a tongue in cheek.
Now its your turn Davey, to tell me why the NRA would sanction the above action.
 
Davey as you are only becoming aware that you are the only one not packing some statistics:
For every round used in a lethal force incident the police have used 10000 rounds in practice
For every round used in practice by the police, 10000 are used by civilians in training, some competitors will use over 100,000 rounds by themselves.
For every round used by professional shooters (competitors) there are 10000 rounds fired by the US public as shooting ranges, trap, skeet, rifle
if you doubt this go to a local sporting goods store and ask for some 22LR, the most basic and common "bullet" made. when the sales people get off the floor after laughing at
you, they may help with an answer.
 
not sure what ok means, does that mean, normal for that time of year, those people were innocent so didn't affect them, 2or 3 daily would be a lot, its ok for people to shoot at cats in heat
I was in Berkeley Cal. a while back for a couple of days, and heard several per day. the people there said it was normal, I replied--- this is California with some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, how can that be normal?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top