Coping with covid and changing the dialogue

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Five countries have now decided to abolish covid restrictions and reopen fully. Most recently, Norway, Singapore, which is a principality I think?, Thailand, Croatia and Romania where only 30% of the population has been vaccinated. (You could throw Portugal in there too where they have a 98% vaccination rate and that would make six).

These countries believe 0% covid tolerance is not realistic and are preparing for any waves of surges that may result from reopening. Their narrative will change also from presenting covid as a deadly virus that's going to kill everyone, to a calmer approach, that this is another form of flu which "most" people will survive. They are not promoting the vilifying of any group/groups. People will have freedom of choice again sanctioned by their governments.

Sadly none of these countries is a major player on the global stage, but it seems like a move in a positive direction compared to what is happening in Australia, Western Europe and North America.
 

Australia has a plan to have open borders by December but conditions will still apply to the unvaccinated.

As for Singapore, it is not a principality. It is an island nation with a democratic government. It is also a very ordered country and below is the situation as of 27 September until 24 October. Hardly open slather. The devil is always in the detail -

This article will serve as a comprehensive one-stop resource for the current state of COVID-19 laws in Singapore. It is accurate as of 27 September 2021 and reflects the key changes as of 27 September 2021 – Stabilisation Phase, which is expected to last until 24 October 2021. You can count on us to update this article whenever the laws change.
This article will cover Singapore’s laws and regulations regarding:

As more are getting vaccinated against COVID-19 across the world, some countries have begun to make COVID-19 vaccine passports available. These “passports” allow vaccinated persons to travel with fewer or no restrictions. In time, Singapore might also integrate a COVID-19 vaccine passport into its travel or event regulations.
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It is imperative that we continue to work together to keep Singapore a safe and healthy community even during these tough times. The government will review the current measures and may adjust the regulations accordingly if the current COVID-19 situation remains stable after 2 weeks.

We will be updating this article as and when such new COVID-19 laws are put in place. In the meantime, we hope you stay positive and test negative.

COVID-19 Rules and Restrictions in Singapore (Sep 2021) - SingaporeLegalAdvice.com
 
700,000 people have now died in the USA of Covid. May whatever God they believe have mercy on their souls, and may their families find some peace and comfort.

I do not want to get in a discussion about these numbers. Please refrain from this type of response.
 

Aneeda, you posted it, so we can respond. Only you can decide whether you want to discuss thereafter.

Apparently you should check out whether that 700,000 is true or not. I've read it's not, and that some hospitals are inflating their numbers because they get paid for instances of Covid.
 
For the last two weekends, the Colts football stadium has opened to a total capacity. of 670,00 people in Indianapolis. Also, the Pacers just said their upcoming season would be fully open. Both say not looking for Vax cards or masks. (y)
 
I’m not comfortable with the every man for himself, let the chips fall where they may, approach to public health.

I’m ok with the goal of 100% of eligible people being vaccinated.

According to the AMA 96% of its members have been vaccinated.

It seems to me that if people would consult and follow the advice of their PCP the vaccination rate for the eligible population would also approach 96%.
 
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Regardless of individual positions of the severity of this virus, and the effectiveness of the vaccines, etc., etc., the simple fact is that thousands of people are dying every week and thousands more are clogging up our hospitals. Our doctors and nurses are becoming increasingly stressed due to the overwhelming workload, and those seeking care for other issues are finding such care harder to find.
 
Aneeda72 said:
700,000 people have now died in the USA of Covid. May whatever God they believe have mercy on their souls, and may their families find some peace and comfort.

I do not want to get in a discussion about these numbers. Please refrain from this type of response.
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LOL. You & my sister would get along great. She also likes to hit & run.
 
chic said:
Five countries have now decided to abolish covid restrictions and reopen fully. Most recently, Norway, Singapore, which is a principality I think?, Thailand, Croatia and Romania where only 30% of the population has been vaccinated. (You could throw Portugal in there too where they have a 98% vaccination rate and that would make six).

These countries believe 0% covid tolerance is not realistic and are preparing for any waves of surges that may result from reopening. Their narrative will change also from presenting covid as a deadly virus that's going to kill everyone, to a calmer approach, that this is another form of flu which "most" people will survive. They are not promoting the vilifying of any group/groups. People will have freedom of choice again sanctioned by their governments.

Sadly none of these countries is a major player on the global stage, but it seems like a move in a positive direction compared to what is happening in Australia, Western Europe and North America.
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Norway has a vaccination rate of 67% being fully vaccinated and another 10% having had at least a first dose. Compare that to the U.S. with only 56%. That's why they're able to reopen fully. If more Americans would get vaccinated, we'd be able to reopen, too.

And they haven't classified covid-19 as "just another flu."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/norway-reclassify-covid-as-flu/
 
win231 said:
LOL. You & my sister would get along great. She also likes to hit & run.
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You can discuss the numbers until you know what freezes over @win231 same applies to anyone else @Devi. I said I didn’t want to discuss it, I could not care less if others want to continually beat a dead horse-the virus. It is what it is.

I probably would get along well with your sister @win231. 😂. We could discuss your strange sometimes unrealistic view points, you have, in private, I could get all the low down on you, and then I could post it here. Please introduce me to her. 😊😉
 
I think a lot of people are making their decision based under the false narrative that “any vaccine is better than no vaccine.” I do believe that the people who have not yet taken the vaccine is due to a lack of trust from all of the rhetoric that we hear and for some others, it well may be the ingredients of the vaccine itself.

I heard one medical care provider state that he was going to lose his job at the hospital because he won't be taking the vaccine due to his asthma. He stated that the vaccine contains Ethylene Glycol, which can cause allergies and with his asthma being as bad as it is, he isn't willing to take the chance of getting an allergy on top of it.

It is people like this that need to be given an exception, IMO.
 
Tom 86 said:
For the last two weekends, the Colts football stadium has opened to a total capacity. of 670,00 people in Indianapolis. Also, the Pacers just said their upcoming season would be fully open. Both say not looking for Vax cards or masks. (y)
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For the record, Lucas Oil Stadium capacity is 67,000.
 
During his Thursday floor speech, Senator Ron Johnson pointed out that 63% of all coronavirus Delta deaths in the last 7.5 months were fully vaccinated individuals.
The media won’t tell you this.
The social media giants will censor this.

So, Ron Johnson dropped this truth-bomb on the floor of the US Senate.
"POTUS says this is a pandemic of the unvaxxed, yet, Data from England show 63% of Delta deaths in last 7.5 months were fully vaxxed.

Why won’t the CDC or government share US data with the American people?
What is the justification of mandates and refusal to recognize natural immunity?

Obviously, the recent surge in cases and deaths is NOT a pandemic of the unvaccinated!
 
Aneeda72 said:
You can discuss the numbers until you know what freezes over @win231 same applies to anyone else @Devi. I said I didn’t want to discuss it, I could not care less if others want to continually beat a dead horse-the virus. It is what it is.

I probably would get along well with your sister @win231. 😂. We could discuss your strange sometimes unrealistic view points, you have, in private, I could get all the low down on you, and then I could post it here. Please introduce me to her. 😊😉
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Sorry, but I just can't introduce you (or anyone else) to her. I wouldn't wish her on my worst enemy.
 
When I hear about big numbers of people dying or being killed I always picture the girls in the school I taught at lined up in front of me on the quadrangle for morning assembly. There were about 640 girls but since the average high school in Sydney is 1000 students, try to imagine how many high schools it would take to achieve the number of half a million people dead from Covid. The maths is simple and the answer is 5,000. That's five thousand schools full of dead people. I know this sounds ridiculous but that is how I picture such a large number of people. Since Delta came on the scene the US tally has risen by another two high schools.

The death toll in Australia is a bit over 1,300. That's two schools like the one I taught at. A lot less but still a tragedy if even half of them didn't need to die.
 

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