Costco shooting

Oh my, read the article. I don't understand all this violence anymore. I don't know exactly how the man who was killed assaulted the officer or why the officer had to kill him and shoot his family, too. Such a mess!:(
 
The answer is simple. We don't have enough guns. Almost none of the store's customers were armed. Getting 50-100 customers armed and blowing the ***** out of any assailant would do the trick. If three or four clerks had sniper training, this would never have happened. Either that or equip them with grenades.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The answer is simple. We don't have enough guns. Almost none of the store's customers were armed. Getting 50-100 customers armed and blowing the ***** out of any assailant would do the trick. If three or four clerks had sniper training, this would never have happened. Either that or equip them with grenades.
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:lofl:
 
So far, the latest they're reporting is that it started with a verbal dispute, then the guy who was killed, punched the officer who was holding his child, then other relatives joined in the assault. If that's true, they all got exactly what they deserved. Putting your hands on someone is risky.
 
My 89 year old neighbor always had a gun and let us know if we ever needed him, he'd be there with his gun. Now he's on 5-year probation after he showed up at his neighbor showing his gun after he thought that his good friend neighbor of 40 years stole something out of his garage. We take away car keys from someone who is old and that we don't feel can handle driving anymore. How about the same people with guns? It scared me afterwards because I had his extra house keys in case he got locked out. I could have been accused of stealing something out of his house. My ghost could have been writing this post right now. :eek:nthego:
 
I am unaware of California laws, but if this case goes to a Coroner’s Inquest, I am sure a question to the officer will be, “Could you have walked away to avoid furthering the confrontation?”

As a victim, your first line of defense cannot always be to shoot someone during an argument or disagreement.

Interesting, to say the least and I have to wonder what’s the rest of the story?
 
I agree with others, we need more information.

I don't agree with everything that Mr. O'Rourke says but I believe that this is one we should all take to heart.

"There are just two rules of governance in a free society: Mind your own business. Keep your hands to yourself." - P.J. O'Rourke
 
I didn't even hear about the Costco thing until I read it on SF, and I used to be totally addicted to cable and local news. Now I mainly watch true crime stations. Now I wonder what the heck is wrong with me. But I tell you crime had me on pins and needles. And I mean where there's no real solve, only what each person feels about it. With true crime TV
you get to see how the criminals get to their comeuppance. We don't get that in real life. That's why I'm sick of the news.
 
WTH happened to shoot to wound?! A trained officer should know how to disable an attack by wounding the attacker. Shoot someone in the shoulder, hand, knee cap, places that will disable and inflict pain there's a pretty good chance of stopping the attack. Cops now are looking to kill. I'm not saying the assault by the man and his family was right, however. It's sad that we have to be concerned about gun violence no matter where we may be!
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The answer is simple. We don't have enough guns. Almost none of the store's customers were armed. Getting 50-100 customers armed and blowing the ***** out of any assailant would do the trick. If three or four clerks had sniper training, this would never have happened. Either that or equip them with grenades.
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Hahaha Did you copy this article from the "Armed Citizen" page of the latest NRA mag? Sounds like a great selling point.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The answer is simple. We don't have enough guns. Almost none of the store's customers were armed. Getting 50-100 customers armed and blowing the ***** out of any assailant would do the trick. If three or four clerks had sniper training, this would never have happened. Either that or equip them with grenades.
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Couldn't help laughing at this post.
We Aussies think you Americans don't do irony.
Seems you do after all.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
WTH happened to shoot to wound?! A trained officer should know how to disable an attack by wounding the attacker. Shoot someone in the shoulder, hand, knee cap, places that will disable and inflict pain there's a pretty good chance of stopping the attack. Cops now are looking to kill. I'm not saying the assault by the man and his family was right, however. It's sad that we have to be concerned about gun violence no matter where we may be!
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You obviously are not familiar with police training or self defense in general. TV & theater (where people get shot in shoulders & knees & fall immediately) are not reliable sources for information. In real life, there is no stunt man being blown off his feet or through a window or becoming become disabled from a hand, knee or shoulder wound.

"Shooting to Kill" is not the goal. Shooting to stop is. Defensive shooting means aiming for "Center of Mass" partly to increase the chance of stopping an attack AND also minimizing the danger to innocent bystanders. Aiming for a small, moving target like an arm or leg increases the chance for a miss, which endangers bystanders.
 
win231 said:
You obviously are not familiar with police training or self defense in general. TV & theater (where people get shot in shoulders & knees & fall immediately) are not reliable sources for information. In real life, there is no stunt man being blown off his feet or through a window or becoming become disabled from a hand, knee or shoulder wound.

"Shooting to Kill" is not the goal. Shooting to stop is. Defensive shooting means aiming for "Center of Mass" partly to increase the chance of stopping an attack AND also minimizing the danger to innocent bystanders. Aiming for a small, moving target like an arm or leg increases the chance for a miss, which endangers bystanders.
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I have not taken self defense classes nor gun training but I remember when cops didn't kill people who were in the process of being arrested! T.V. had nothing to do with my reply BTW. And I had three police officers and a detective in my family. Plus a good friend (now a retiree) was on the force and he clued me in to some things. If shooting to kill is not the goal, how come so many (of whom did not commit violent (or any) crime) have been killed by police?
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I have not taken self defense classes nor gun training but I remember when cops didn't kill people who were in the process of being arrested! T.V. had nothing to do with my reply BTW. And I had three police officers and a detective in my family. Plus a good friend (now a retiree) was on the force and he clued me in to some things. If shooting to kill is not the goal, how come so many (of whom did not commit violent (or any) crime) have been killed by police?
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Mostly depends of what a suspect does during his arrest. Refusing to follow orders (whether a suspect has committed a crime or not) makes a cop nervous. Making an armed person nervous is stupid.

And resisting arrest is about as stupid as it gets, & a cop wants to come home, so he may choose not to risk injury or death by going hands on with an uncooperative suspect who may be bigger, stronger, faster & badder than he is.
Take the Michael Brown situation, for example. If a 300-lb guy attacked me (at 170 lbs), I'd have done the same thing - & I'm not a cop.
Another case in point last year (if I remember correctly): Female cop (on video...videos don't lie) tells a much-larger male suspect in the middle of the street not to go near his vehicle. Suspect not only goes to his vehicle, but reaches in. Cop shoots him. 100% justified. Cops don't have to wait until they see what the suspect is reaching into his vehicle for.
It's really quite simple.
 

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