Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

squatting dog said:
If you have followed the news from the Ukraine for the last 10 years, this war is not surprising.
The reasons are very different from the propaganda being pushed on you as news.

To understand what's happening, you need to study what has been ongoing for roughly eight years.
The eastern region of Donbas, is made up of people who are mostly Russian speaking and have a Russian heritage.
The people in western Ukraine mostly speak Ukrainian and identify with a European heritage.

For this reason,Three breakaway republics (in 2014) voted overwhelmingly to leave the Ukraine.
But, for the past eight years, the western Ukraine military which includes,(the Nazi-aligned Azov Battalion) has killed over 14,000 civilians in eastern Ukraine (Donbas) exposing them to barbaric attacks, including blockade, large-scale punitive operations, terrorist attacks and artillery bombardments.

"Why? In retaliation for their attempts to press for basic human rights to live in accordance with the laws and traditions of their ancestors, to use their mother tongue and to rear the children the way they wish."

read about the Azov battalion here.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Azov+Battalion
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This sounds like it is written by Russia.....Ukrainians,after the initial Russian attacks in 2014 ,have only responded to provocation.
They have not killed 14,000 people....that is simply the number of casualties in a war the West largely ignored.
And the referendum in Crimea,organised by Russia is hardly to be believed!
 

Ok Furry. how about the media headlines about Ukraine before the war began.
They labeled the war-torn country as “the most corrupt nation in Europe” with an “increasingly corrupt and authoritarian” leader and said that he is seeking to deepen an “alliance with the far-right.”
So now we’re supposed to just veer away from the narrative that was being pushed just a couple short years ago.
Plus... Now, we openly support Neo-Nazi's...(the real deal)... our govt just sent $800 million in military aid dollars out of the 1.4 Trillion aid package!! It’s obvious that this American-supplied weaponry will reach the Azov battalion in Ukraine.

I swear, some people have a 6 second attention span unless it's a $100m Hollywood production budget.
 
squatting dog said:
Ok Furry. how about the media headlines about Ukraine before the war began.
They labeled the war-torn country as “the most corrupt nation in Europe” with an “increasingly corrupt and authoritarian” leader and said that he is seeking to deepen an “alliance with the far-right.”
So now we’re supposed to just veer away from the narrative that was being pushed just a couple short years ago.
Plus... Now, we openly support Neo-Nazi's...(the real deal)... our govt just sent $800 million in military aid dollars out of the 1.4 Trillion aid package!! It’s obvious that this American-supplied weaponry will reach the Azov battalion in Ukraine.

I swear, some people have a 6 second attention span unless it's a $100m Hollywood production budget.
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...and even supposing all that is true... how does it give Putin the right to deliberately..and there's no doubt it was deliberate... to kill children... ?.. just playing devils' advocate here, not going to get into any big debate about whose mostly in the wrong.. but you don't go killing children, when no-one has caused you or your country harm...
 

Fur and Dog have a point...

War and other behaviors?
What happened in the last two decades, the last two centuries, effects the behavior of nations.
Nations do not decide, 'Okay, today, I'm going to invade my neighbor.'
 
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hollydolly said:
...and even supposing all that is true... how does it give Putin the right to deliberately..and there's no doubt it was deliberate... to kill children... ?.. just playing devils' advocate here, not going to get into any big debate about whose mostly in the wrong.. but you don't go killing children, when no-one has caused you or your country harm...
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I never said Putin is right, I merely pointed out how media manipulation works and how short some memories are.
 
odessa.jpg

In 1941, when Odesa was bracing for an attack by the Nazis, the city fortified itself from the inside out. Now, more than eight decades later, it's doing it again. They are on high alert, particularly for Russian warships on the horizon, knowing that Russian-controlled Crimea is only about 300 kilometres away by water.
 
hollydolly said:
Russian troops who have been captured by Ukrainian forces have urged their people to rise up against President Vladmir Putin as they tell the world of fellow soldiers being thrown in mass graves.

A group of Russian soldiers spoke out against their government during a press conference with news agency Interfax-Ukraine, telling fellow citizens to not 'look at the zombies.'

Alexei Zheleznyak, Mustafaev Mugsad, Igor Rudenko, Alexander Fomenko and others nearly wept as they told the press conference of their opposition to the Russian invasion, according to The Mirror.

Mr Zheleznyak, a soldier of the 34th separate motorized rifle brigade stationed in the Karachay-Cherkess Republic of Russia, told the conference he warned Putin he would never be able to send enough troops to Ukraine to take over.

see the video here... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eader-having-comrades-thrown-mass-graves.html
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That had me in tears.:cry:
 
Has anyone noticed that Putin is playing this in stages, that get more intense with every wave?
First, Tanks then missiles that suck the oxygen out of people, then bombing he got away with that so next he carpet bombs them, and as usual, he waits for the West to react.
How long do you think it will be before he uses chemical weapons?
He is not going to stop until someone stops him.
Send a covert operation military team to take him out, I know that most people think, well how do we know who replaces him isn't worse? Worse or not, at least they might think twice.
 
Vladimir Putin has been accused of using banned white phosphorus weapons in Ukraine amid fears he may be on the verge of resorting to chemical warfare.

US President Joe Biden said Putin has become increasingly desperate, with his 'back against the wall' over his stalling invasion.

Mr Biden said that recent Kremlin propaganda claiming the US and Ukraine had chemical or biological weapons were a clear sign that Moscow was 'considering using both of those'.

Elsewhere, the Kremlin's press secretary Dmitry Peskov repeatedly refused to rule out that Russia would consider using nuclear weapons, telling TV station CNN it could do so if there was 'an existential threat for our country'.

The Ukrainian authorities have accused Putin of using white phosphorus munitions on the city of Kramatorsk.

While strictly not considered a chemical weapon, the substance burns fiercely and can cause horrendous injuries, and its use on civilians constitutes a war crime.

Human Rights Watch says the incendiary weapons are 'among the cruellest' in modern warfare as they cause 'lifelong human suffering'.

The deputy head of Kyiv police, Oleksiy Biloshytskiy, said on Facebook: 'Another use of phosphorus ammunitions in Kramatorsk.'

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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/23/01/55681123-10641525-image-a-1_1647997692803.jpg
 
hollydolly said:
Vladimir Putin has been accused of using banned white phosphorus weapons in Ukraine amid fears he may be on the verge of resorting to chemical warfare.

US President Joe Biden said Putin has become increasingly desperate, with his 'back against the wall' over his stalling invasion.

Mr Biden said that recent Kremlin propaganda claiming the US and Ukraine had chemical or biological weapons were a clear sign that Moscow was 'considering using both of those'.

Elsewhere, the Kremlin's press secretary Dmitry Peskov repeatedly refused to rule out that Russia would consider using nuclear weapons, telling TV station CNN it could do so if there was 'an existential threat for our country'.

The Ukrainian authorities have accused Putin of using white phosphorus munitions on the city of Kramatorsk.

While strictly not considered a chemical weapon, the substance burns fiercely and can cause horrendous injuries, and its use on civilians constitutes a war crime.

Human Rights Watch says the incendiary weapons are 'among the cruellest' in modern warfare as they cause 'lifelong human suffering'.

The deputy head of Kyiv police, Oleksiy Biloshytskiy, said on Facebook: 'Another use of phosphorus ammunitions in Kramatorsk.'

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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/23/01/55681123-10641525-image-a-1_1647997692803.jpg
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And there you have it!
Does anyone care to guess what his next move will be?
 
British gas prices have risen after Vladimir Putin declared today that Russia will only accept roubles as payment from 'unfriendly' countries in retaliation for sanctions imposed over his invasion of Ukraine.

'Russia will continue, of course, to supply natural gas in accordance with volumes and prices... fixed in previously concluded contracts,' Putin said, adding that sanctions had 'destroyed Moscow's trust'.

'The changes will only affect the currency of payment, which will be changed to Russian roubles' for a list of countries, corresponding to those that have imposed sanctions.

Wholesale gas prices in the UK rose following the announcement, with the British price for day-ahead delivery jumping by 18 per cent to 259.50 pence per therm by 13:54 GMT, while the winter 2022 price rose by 11 per cent to 264.01 p/therm.

Putin said the government and central bank had one week to come up with a solution on how to move these operations to the Russian currency and that gas giant Gazprom would be ordered to make the corresponding changes to gas contracts.

Contractual changes may mean European customers have to renegotiate their agreements, which are mostly in euros, possibly leading to supply disruptions as talks take place.

But with a host of European countries still dependent on Moscow for most of their gas and oil supplies, disruptions would push up prices and deepen the continent-wide energy crisis.

The move is also expected to boost the Russian currency which fell to a record low of 120 to the dollar this month following the invasion of Ukraine, despite usually trading around 80 to the dollar.

The list of 'unfriendly' countries includes the United States, European Union member states, Britain, Japan, Canada, Norway, Singapore, South Korea, Switzerland and Ukraine. Among other things, deals with companies and individuals from those countries have to be approved by a government commission.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...roubles-payment-gas-unfriendly-countries.html
 
hollydolly said:
British gas prices have risen after Vladimir Putin declared today that Russia will only accept roubles as payment from 'unfriendly' countries in retaliation for sanctions imposed over his invasion of Ukraine.

'Russia will continue, of course, to supply natural gas in accordance with volumes and prices... fixed in previously concluded contracts,' Putin said, adding that sanctions had 'destroyed Moscow's trust'.

'The changes will only affect the currency of payment, which will be changed to Russian roubles' for a list of countries, corresponding to those that have imposed sanctions.

Wholesale gas prices in the UK rose following the announcement, with the British price for day-ahead delivery jumping by 18 per cent to 259.50 pence per therm by 13:54 GMT, while the winter 2022 price rose by 11 per cent to 264.01 p/therm.

Putin said the government and central bank had one week to come up with a solution on how to move these operations to the Russian currency and that gas giant Gazprom would be ordered to make the corresponding changes to gas contracts.

Contractual changes may mean European customers have to renegotiate their agreements, which are mostly in euros, possibly leading to supply disruptions as talks take place.

But with a host of European countries still dependent on Moscow for most of their gas and oil supplies, disruptions would push up prices and deepen the continent-wide energy crisis.

The move is also expected to boost the Russian currency which fell to a record low of 120 to the dollar this month following the invasion of Ukraine, despite usually trading around 80 to the dollar.

The list of 'unfriendly' countries includes the United States, European Union member states, Britain, Japan, Canada, Norway, Singapore, South Korea, Switzerland and Ukraine. Among other things, deals with companies and individuals from those countries have to be approved by a government commission.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...roubles-payment-gas-unfriendly-countries.html
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This does not surprise me. For example, for decades we pushed Iran and Cuba around because they have limited power. That won't work with Russia in this case or China at anytime in the future. Russia is now responding as expected. No different than China did every time we impose tariffs during the previous administration.
 
hollydolly said:
British gas prices have risen after Vladimir Putin declared today that Russia will only accept roubles as payment from 'unfriendly' countries in retaliation for sanctions imposed over his invasion of Ukraine.

'Russia will continue, of course, to supply natural gas in accordance with volumes and prices... fixed in previously concluded contracts,' Putin said, adding that sanctions had 'destroyed Moscow's trust'.

'The changes will only affect the currency of payment, which will be changed to Russian roubles' for a list of countries, corresponding to those that have imposed sanctions.

Wholesale gas prices in the UK rose following the announcement, with the British price for day-ahead delivery jumping by 18 per cent to 259.50 pence per therm by 13:54 GMT, while the winter 2022 price rose by 11 per cent to 264.01 p/therm.

Putin said the government and central bank had one week to come up with a solution on how to move these operations to the Russian currency and that gas giant Gazprom would be ordered to make the corresponding changes to gas contracts.

Contractual changes may mean European customers have to renegotiate their agreements, which are mostly in euros, possibly leading to supply disruptions as talks take place.

But with a host of European countries still dependent on Moscow for most of their gas and oil supplies, disruptions would push up prices and deepen the continent-wide energy crisis.

The move is also expected to boost the Russian currency which fell to a record low of 120 to the dollar this month following the invasion of Ukraine, despite usually trading around 80 to the dollar.

The list of 'unfriendly' countries includes the United States, European Union member states, Britain, Japan, Canada, Norway, Singapore, South Korea, Switzerland and Ukraine. Among other things, deals with companies and individuals from those countries have to be approved by a government commission.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...roubles-payment-gas-unfriendly-countries.html
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Putin talks about destroying trust for Russia. Well, who on Earth trusts him now? Geez
 
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