Covid - We blew it

hollydolly

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London England
This from an Australian News Source 18th November
'The South Australian government has announced an immediate six-day lockdown followed by a further
week of tough restrictions as the state scrambles to avoid a second wave of coronavirus infections.'
6 days ?... I know a second lockdown is rotten.. but 6 days ?... I wonder how they think that short time will make any difference. :unsure:

Currently we're half way through a second lockdown of almost 4 weeks
 

Liberty

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Location
Texas
6 days ?... I know a second lockdown is rotten.. but 6 days ?... I wonder how they think that short time will make any difference. :unsure:

Currently we're half way through a second lockdown of almost 4 weeks
Is there a holiday that comes up within that time or special event they are trying to stem the tide from? Some places I heard here in America ordered a 2 week "stay at home" ...probably due to Thanksgiving being next Thursday. Of course, to do that to Americans is like trying to herd cats or nail jello!
 

hollydolly

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London England
Is there a holiday that comes up within that time or special event they are trying to stem the tide from? Some places I heard here in America ordered a 2 week "stay at home" ...probably due to Thanksgiving being next Thursday. Of course, to do that to Americans is like trying to herd cats or nail jello!
No holiday...the next holiday is Christmas
 

tbeltrans

Member
Our state is now tightening also. As of tomorrow (11/20) restaurants will be only able to offer take out and bars will be closed along with many other types of businesses and schools. No social gatherings except small gatherings of immediate family. This will apparently be in force for a month, though with caveats that it could be extended depending on how the numbers look at that time.

While I can see attempting to slow the spread of the virus since local hospitals are being overrun with patients and the death toll is high around here these days, the temporary lock down reminds me of a school kid being picked on by bullies. The kid runs home while the bullies wait outside on the street for the kid to come out. If he never comes out, the bullies can't get to him, but as soon as he does come out, there they are ready and waiting. So even if the temporary lock down does slow the spread of the virus (assuming everybody complies), as soon as the lock down is lifted, here we go again, as we have already seen since March.

The only solution I see is a medical one, some sort of vaccine or other means of alleviating the symptoms so that it is less harmful when people do get the virus. So do we lock down until such a medical solution is provided? This could be a ways away yet even though advancements are being bandied about in the media, but the economic suffering on the part of businesses and individuals who lose jobs continues to worsen. The government can't dole out billions in relief packages to help everybody out forever (and it can't not do that either), so at some point there will be some sort of reckoning on all this, bringing it all to a head.

In short, I don't have an answer but I don't see any from anyone else either. Personally, I am fine in the lock down but am also aware that many folks aren't for a variety of reasons. It all seems like a no-win situation and I would not want to be the one making these decisions that affect millions of people.

Tony
 

garyt1957

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In short, I don't have an answer but I don't see any from anyone else either. Personally, I am fine in the lock down but am also aware that many folks aren't for a variety of reasons. It all seems like a no-win situation and I would not want to be the one making these decisions that affect millions of people.

Tony
Actually there are plenty of people with answers. Are they good answers? Who knows? Some people want to more or less go about our business and protect the most vulnerable and keep the economy afloat. Others want a near complete lockdown. Which is the more appropriate response? Like you, I wouldn't want to be the one making those choices, especially in this environment where somebody's going to try and blame any deaths on you personally for any choices you make.
 
Our state is now tightening also. As of tomorrow (11/20) restaurants will be only able to offer take out and bars will be closed along with many other types of businesses and schools. No social gatherings except small gatherings of immediate family. This will apparently be in force for a month, though with caveats that it could be extended depending on how the numbers look at that time.

While I can see attempting to slow the spread of the virus since local hospitals are being overrun with patients and the death toll is high around here these days, the temporary lock down reminds me of a school kid being picked on by bullies. The kid runs home while the bullies wait outside on the street for the kid to come out. If he never comes out, the bullies can't get to him, but as soon as he does come out, there they are ready and waiting. So even if the temporary lock down does slow the spread of the virus (assuming everybody complies), as soon as the lock down is lifted, here we go again, as we have already seen since March.

The only solution I see is a medical one, some sort of vaccine or other means of alleviating the symptoms so that it is less harmful when people do get the virus. So do we lock down until such a medical solution is provided? This could be a ways away yet even though advancements are being bandied about in the media, but the economic suffering on the part of businesses and individuals who lose jobs continues to worsen. The government can't dole out billions in relief packages to help everybody out forever (and it can't not do that either), so at some point there will be some sort of reckoning on all this, bringing it all to a head.

In short, I don't have an answer but I don't see any from anyone else either. Personally, I am fine in the lock down but am also aware that many folks aren't for a variety of reasons. It all seems like a no-win situation and I would not want to be the one making these decisions that affect millions of people.

Tony
We all are hoping for that but until then we have to do something since people refuse to cooperate. And frankly it's not fair to healthcare workers to be this overwhelmed because people won't even try to stay home and protect themselves and others. Because they are selfish. They want their way. Now they're getting it and people are dying because of it. That's BS in my book.
 

Aneeda72

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Yesterday I saw a news piece where four young people maybe in their mid 20's were sitting outside and one of them said he thought the whole thing is a hoax. Hard to believe anyone is that stupid but then when you look at how obesity is also rampaging stupid is now the norm.
There are many reasons that people have a problem with obesity. Please do not compare this issue to the virus. It’s like apples and tomatoes, both a fruit but very very different.
 

garyt1957

Member
Only someone who does not keep up with current events could still believe the virus is a hoax. Or someone who relies on a dodgy irresponsible news source.
I haven't seen any news source suggest this virus is a hoax. None. And I watch them from all sides of the aisle. There seems to be a group of people who see themselves as smarter than anybody else, hence only they realize the virus is a hoax, masks are useless, it's only a cold,etc.
 
I haven't seen any news source suggest this virus is a hoax. None. And I watch them from all sides of the aisle. There seems to be a group of people who see themselves as smarter than anybody else, hence only they realize the virus is a hoax, masks are useless, it's only a cold,etc.

That's a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. These people only get information from sources that reinforce their beliefs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
 

tbeltrans

Member
The virus IS a hoax...(runs for cover...). :devilish: o_O

Earlier this morning I went grocery shopping. This was during the time for vulnerable people, us old farts. Everybody I saw in the store was wearing a mask and observing social distancing. This seems typical of older folks around my area. It seems that among the younger crowd, there is a mix of those who observe distancing and wearing a mask, and those who ignore these things.

Tony
 
The virus IS a hoax...(runs for cover...). :devilish: o_O

Earlier this morning I went grocery shopping. This was during the time for vulnerable people, us old farts. Everybody I saw in the store was wearing a mask and observing social distancing. This seems typical of older folks around my area. It seems that among the younger crowd, there is a mix of those who observe distancing and wearing a mask, and those who ignore these things.

Tony

When you're young, you think you're invincible. I see shirtless young men in shorts playing Frisbee football at the park when it's below freezing out. I used to do things like that when I was young, although Frisbee football had yet to be invented.

Add to that the stigma conservatives have associated with wearing a mask, and the result is the disaster our country is currently experiencing.
 

Remy

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Location
California, USA
The key to controlling this is not in government regulations. It's in everyone taking personal responsibility for their own safety and that of their neighbor.

Learn the facts about your own village/community/town - the space you move about in. Determine your own susceptibility and level of comfort.

Then use common sense and do the right thing.
I agree with your post. But the reality is, people are just not going to do this. Or maybe too many are just not smart enough. I don't know what the problem is but something is wrong. People can live without getting together for the holidays for one year but too many won't take that step. I hear people talking.
 

Don M.

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Location
central Missouri
For most of the Summer and Fall, most of the people in our area were wearing masks at the stores. In recent weeks, that number seems to have dropped substantially. The numbers in our State keep going up, but it seems that fewer people are taking precautions. With the holidays quickly approaching, and no cure in sight, I expect the numbers to go substantially higher in January, after all the family gatherings.
 

Ruthanne

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Earth
Given that only 80% get seriously sick or die from it it seems as common as the common cold of which it is a relative. Seems they are causing so much anxiety in so many of us with this statistic reporting every day. I know very well of all the complications of it and who is most vulnerable already and frankly am sick to death of the reports of all the millions of cases. I think they are just making money on reporting it 4 times a day or so along with all their commercial sponsors trying to sell their goods and paying the tv networks a very good dollar for it.

So, I for one will just enjoy my Spotify music and stay away from crowds, wear a mask and wash my hands like we were told 8 mos. ago and I have not forgot after being reminded 99 times. In my county we are now told to stay home because of the prevalence of virus.
 

Mat

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I don't plan on skipping this vaccine when it is released. Not that I am afraid, but I want to remain immune from all the wannabe Kings and Queens that become the vaccine police. This dirty old paper mask I have now is falling apart and I ask about buying one at the gas station where I bought this one, they stopped selling the low cost cheap ones and now are asking a ransom for some fancy sewn mask that is about as effective as a gag. I already have heart problems and loss of breath and can't breathe when wearing that paper mask, worse I wear my glasses to shop and when I breathe in the cold store air my glasses fog up due to wearing the mask. I would rather the stores be forced to take the temperatures at the door rather than doing something un natural like wearing a mask. It reminds me of the last part of the movie Night of The Living Dead, the last guy alive and he looks out the window and catches one between the eyes. Some poor fool will walk into a 7/11 and get shot one day for entering the store wearing a mask.
 

Pink Biz

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Chicago
And we have had or have none of the above. No wonder we've been behind the "eight-ball' from day one. Canada is closing the door on us and it's surprising that Mexico hasn't done the same.

Hopefully, a proven, working vaccine will come along sooner rather than later and save us from this slide into oblivion.
Actually, Mexico has restricted land travel from USA since March, but air travel is not restricted.

https://www.mexperience.com/mexico-land-border-restrictions-closure-covid-19/
 

Aneeda72

Well-known Member
Given that only 80% get seriously sick or die from it it seems as common as the common cold of which it is a relative. Seems they are causing so much anxiety in so many of us with this statistic reporting every day. I know very well of all the complications of it and who is most vulnerable already and frankly am sick to death of the reports of all the millions of cases. I think they are just making money on reporting it 4 times a day or so along with all their commercial sponsors trying to sell their goods and paying the tv networks a very good dollar for it.

So, I for one will just enjoy my Spotify music and stay away from crowds, wear a mask and wash my hands like we were told 8 mos. ago and I have not forgot after being reminded 99 times. In my county we are now told to stay home because of the prevalence of virus.
I wonder about the people who were not already washing their hands several times a day. What’s up with that? I mean, for adults, washing your hands, several times a day, should be second nature.
 

Aneeda72

Well-known Member
I don't plan on skipping this vaccine when it is released. Not that I am afraid, but I want to remain immune from all the wannabe Kings and Queens that become the vaccine police. This dirty old paper mask I have now is falling apart and I ask about buying one at the gas station where I bought this one, they stopped selling the low cost cheap ones and now are asking a ransom for some fancy sewn mask that is about as effective as a gag. I already have heart problems and loss of breath and can't breathe when wearing that paper mask, worse I wear my glasses to shop and when I breathe in the cold store air my glasses fog up due to wearing the mask. I would rather the stores be forced to take the temperatures at the door rather than doing something un natural like wearing a mask. It reminds me of the last part of the movie Night of The Living Dead, the last guy alive and he looks out the window and catches one between the eyes. Some poor fool will walk into a 7/11 and get shot one day for entering the store wearing a mask.
You can buy 50 paper masks on Amazon for about 15 dollars or at Lowe’s or at Home Depot or at many different places. Wearing a dirty, falling apart mask is not only unsightly, but I doubt it offers much protection, and it’s probably loaded with virus. Catching the virus, is about virus load, the amount you are exposed to.

I would not recommend reusing a paper mask without wiping it down with a wipe. I’ve seen people wearing dirty paper masks. It’s like someone never washing their face, IMO. With your conditions it is best to be more careful and always wear a new clean paper mask. Many people do not run a fever when they have the virus. Stay safe.
 


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