Derek Chauvin stabbed in prison:

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hollydolly said:
no after he was accused and before he went to prison....
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Hm. Well, let's face it, he can't of been a good man to have done what he did. There's horrendous pressure on cops though. Looking in from the outside we see an isolated incident, but who knows what he's had to deal with on the job. Perhaps she was abused herself, perhaps she just couldn't face him knowing he was going away for years.......
 
VaughanJB said:
Hm. Well, let's face it, he can't of been a good man to have done what he did. There's horrendous pressure on cops though. Looking in from the outside we see an isolated incident, but who knows what he's had to deal with on the job. Perhaps she was abused herself, perhaps she just couldn't face him knowing he was going away for years.......
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he had 19 official complaints against him as a Police officer....

....he was rotten to the core.. he didn't even have friends stand up for him at court...
 

rgp said:
OMG ... is insulting me all ya have ?

That sure as hell doesn't lend creadence to your point.
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Far from it, this is only my first insult in this thread.
If I called you a bigot would you consider that to be insulting too?
I truly find your holier than attitude to be distasteful in the extreme.
Your advice of not committing crimes in the first place is consistent with my remark about no one being above the law. Your blind faith in Police officers and DARVOesque attitude are excremental in the extreme. If you had the ability to take a look at the bigger picture from a different perspective I doubt that you would have such a binary approach to the rights and wrongs of this situation.

When I was visiting my brother and his family in Minneapolis during Memorial Day weekend, in 1980, some career criminals in Boston were hard at work on America's biggest heist. Do you know anything about that?
 
hollydolly said:
he had 19 official complaints against him as a Police officer....

....he was rotten to the core.. he didn't even have friends stand up for him at court...
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I mentioned earlier in this thread that my niece in Minneapolis had contact with both Floyd and Chauvin and that she didn't like either of them because they were both bullies.
If not for the riots that followed, they had the potential to make America an incrementally better place by taking each other out.
 
hollydolly said:
he had 19 official complaints against him as a Police officer....
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In a way I blame the Police Union for its continued support of this thug. In a way, I do not, as a Union's breach of its statutory duty of fair representation is an unfair labor practice under the National Labor Relations Act. Therefore, I blame the City for not getting rid of this clown long ago. They probably tried, but gave up after considering the cost of expensive litigation.
 
Rakaia said:
Far from it, this is only my first insult in this thread.
If I called you a bigot would you consider that to be insulting too?
I truly find your holier than attitude to be distasteful in the extreme.
Your advice of not committing crimes in the first place is consistent with my remark about no one being above the law. Your blind faith in Police officers and DARVOesque attitude are excremental in the extreme. If you had the ability to take a look at the bigger picture from a different perspective I doubt that you would have such a binary approach to the rights and wrongs of this situation.

When I was visiting my brother and his family in Minneapolis during Memorial Day weekend, in 1980, some career criminals in Boston were hard at work on America's biggest heist. Do you know anything about that?
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"If I called you a bigot would you consider that to be insulting too?"

Yes I would ... you feel you have the right & the ability to judge me on a few comments in a discussion thread ?

"I truly find your holier than attitude to be distasteful in the extreme."

Back at'cha.

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"Your blind faith in Police officers and DARVOesque attitude are excremental in the extreme."
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I find most of your post excremental

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If you had the ability to take a look at the bigger picture from a different perspective I doubt that you would have such a binary approach to the rights and wrongs of this situation."

Again ... back at'cha

"When I was visiting my brother and his family in Minneapolis during Memorial Day weekend, in 1980, some career criminals in Boston were hard at work on America's biggest heist. Do you know anything about that?"

I vaguely remember that .... but what does that have to do with this ??
 
Although Chauvin is ultimately responsible MPD, and the city are also responsible for Chauvin's misdeeds. Most complaint review boards are the cops themselves - like the fox guarding the hen house. It takes the cooperation of "good" cops to break the blue wall of silence to insure that Chauvin and others like him are removed. I'm sure many cops had the "goods" on Chauvin, but it's just not the way they operate, except in rare circumstances.
 
rgp said:
"If I called you a bigot would you consider that to be insulting too?"
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Ironically I find that I am (proudly) a bigot, for starters I'm extremely intolerant of bigots, Catch 22? I, like you, also have biases, and I'll own that.
rgp said:
Yes I would ... you feel you have the right & the ability to judge me on a few comments in a discussion thread ?
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Don't go attributing words to me, are you a mind reader? I don't know or care if I have the right to judge you.
rgp said:
"I truly find your holier than attitude to be distasteful in the extreme."

Back at'cha.
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Ouch... nice to see you're nitpicking but silent on the endemic issues within the MPD.
rgp said:
I find most of your post excremental

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If you had the ability to take a look at the bigger picture from a different perspective I doubt that you would have such a binary approach to the rights and wrongs of this situation."

Again ... back at'cha
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Ouch... Advice I often heed is that when you're in a hole it's time to stop digging.
rgp said:
"When I was visiting my brother and his family in Minneapolis during Memorial Day weekend, in 1980, some career criminals in Boston were hard at work on America's biggest heist. Do you know anything about that?"

I vaguely remember that .... but what does that have to do with this ??
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If you read the book with a title like The Cops are Robbers, you'll see how career criminals operated back in the day. Since they were on duty at the time of the heist they were simply "doing their jobs as they saw fit".
The author was Vietnam vet who joined the Police and his descent was slow and gradual, he was relieved when he was finally arrested.
Some of his colleagues were much worse the George Floyd or Drek Chauvin combined.
 
Rakaia said:
Ironically I find that I am (proudly) a bigot, for starters I'm extremely intolerant of bigots, Catch 22? I, like you, also have biases, and I'll own that.

Don't go attributing words to me, are you a mind reader? I don't know or care if I have the right to judge you.

Ouch... nice to see you're nitpicking but silent on the endemic issues within the MPD.

Ouch... Advice I often heed is that when you're in a hole it's time to stop digging.

If you read the book with a title like The Cops are Robbers, you'll see how career criminals operated back in the day. Since they were on duty at the time of the heist they were simply "doing their jobs as they saw fit".
The author was Vietnam vet who joined the Police and his descent was slow and gradual, he was relieved when he was finally arrested.
Some of his colleagues were much worse the George Floyd or Drek Chauvin combined.
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"Ouch... nice to see you're nitpicking but silent on the endemic issues within the MPD."

I know nothing about this, as such I remain silent .

"Ouch... Advice I often heed is that when you're in a hole it's time to stop digging."

I am not in a hole .
 
It was a horrible event. It was so bad that America erupted. After this we were promised "Police Reform". Has it helped? Do we all feel protected and safe? Have we done enough now, so we stop any further reform? Lots of questions now. I asked Bard "how has Police Reform in America gone in the past couple years?"

Police reform has been a major focus of discussion and action in the United States in the past few years, particularly following the death of George Floyd at the hands of police in Minneapolis, Minnesota, in 2020. The nationwide protests and demonstrations that erupted in response to Floyd's death brought renewed attention to police brutality and racial disparities in policing.


In the wake of these events, there has been a significant push for police reform at both the federal and state levels. A number of states have passed laws restricting the use of force by police, requiring body-worn cameras, and increasing transparency and accountability measures. On the federal level, the George Floyd Justice Policing Act was passed by the House of Representatives in 2021, but it has not yet been enacted by the Senate.


Despite these efforts, there is still much work to be done in reforming police in the United States. Police brutality and racial disparities remain major problems, and there is a lack of consistent data on police use of force. There is also a need for more investment in community-based policing and other alternatives to traditional law enforcement.


Here are some specific examples of police reform efforts in the past couple years:


  • Banning chokeholds and no-knock warrants: A number of states have banned chokeholds and no-knock warrants, which have been disproportionately used against people of color.
  • Requiring body-worn cameras: Many states have passed laws requiring police officers to wear body-worn cameras, which can help to deter misconduct and increase transparency.
  • Creating independent civilian review boards: Some states have created independent civilian review boards to investigate allegations of police misconduct.
  • Investing in community-based policing: There has been a growing movement to invest in community-based policing, which focuses on building relationships between police and community members.

These are just a few examples of the many police reform efforts that have taken place in the past couple years. While there is still much work to be done, these efforts represent a step in the right direction towards creating a more just and equitable policing system.
 
Another result of wrongful death.

How many black businesses were destroyed in Minneapolis?
Amid the largely peaceful protests, looters took advantage. In all, nearly 1,500 businesses were damaged, amounting to an estimated $500m in losses across the Twin Cities, according to Minnesota's governor.Oct 14, 2020

How many black businesses were destroyed in Los Angeles?
Los Angeles Riots of 1992, major outbreak of violence, looting, and arson in Los Angeles that began on April 29, 1992, in response to the acquittal of four white Los Angeles policemen on all but one charge (on which the jury was deadlocked) connected with the severe beating of an African American motorist in March 1991. As a result of several days of rioting, more than 50 people were killed, more than 2,300 were injured, and thousands were arrested. About 1,100 buildings were damaged, and total property damage was about $1 billion, which made the riots one of the most-devastating civil disruptions in American history.
 
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Lilac said:
Please explain how you figure this man was an "evil person" & was intent on killing? Have a missed a previous post on this?
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The Daily Mail had 2 video's and removed the 2nd one showing the execution so obviously you haven't seen the horrifying end of the victim's life. There is also body worn camera footage from another cop just to the left of where the shooter is standing which is available too.
 
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Paco Dennis said:
It was a horrible event. It was so bad that America erupted. After this we were promised "Police Reform". Has it helped? Do we all feel protected and safe? Have we done enough now, so we stop any further reform? Lots of questions now. I asked Bard "how has Police Reform in America gone in the past couple years?"

Police reform has been a major focus of discussion and action in the United States in the past few years, particularly following the death of George Floyd at the hands of police in Minneapolis, Minnesota, in 2020. The nationwide protests and demonstrations that erupted in response to Floyd's death brought renewed attention to police brutality and racial disparities in policing.


In the wake of these events, there has been a significant push for police reform at both the federal and state levels. A number of states have passed laws restricting the use of force by police, requiring body-worn cameras, and increasing transparency and accountability measures. On the federal level, the George Floyd Justice Policing Act was passed by the House of Representatives in 2021, but it has not yet been enacted by the Senate.


Despite these efforts, there is still much work to be done in reforming police in the United States. Police brutality and racial disparities remain major problems, and there is a lack of consistent data on police use of force. There is also a need for more investment in community-based policing and other alternatives to traditional law enforcement.


Here are some specific examples of police reform efforts in the past couple years:


  • Banning chokeholds and no-knock warrants: A number of states have banned chokeholds and no-knock warrants, which have been disproportionately used against people of color.
  • Requiring body-worn cameras: Many states have passed laws requiring police officers to wear body-worn cameras, which can help to deter misconduct and increase transparency.
  • Creating independent civilian review boards: Some states have created independent civilian review boards to investigate allegations of police misconduct.
  • Investing in community-based policing: There has been a growing movement to invest in community-based policing, which focuses on building relationships between police and community members.

These are just a few examples of the many police reform efforts that have taken place in the past couple years. While there is still much work to be done, these efforts represent a step in the right direction towards creating a more just and equitable policing system.
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  • Banning chokeholds and no-knock warrants: A number of states have banned chokeholds and no-knock warrants, which have been disproportionately used against people of color.
Oh sure, let's give the advantage to the criminals.

Dispropertionately ? Maybe it is because people of color have the highest crime rate .


Violent Crime Rates by Race
 
Rakaia said:
I mentioned earlier in this thread that my niece in Minneapolis had contact with both Floyd and Chauvin and that she didn't like either of them because they were both bullies.
If not for the riots that followed, they had the potential to make America an incrementally better place by taking each other out.
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Wow. Is this how Joondalup manages those adjudged to be bullies by random citizens?
 
rgp said:
Dispropertionately ? Maybe it is because people of color have the highest crime rate .
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What a combination, racist and draconian attitudes make the USA one of the most incarcerated countries on earth.
Such intolerance
rgp said:
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  • Banning chokeholds and no-knock warrants: A number of states have banned chokeholds and no-knock warrants, which have been disproportionately used against people of color.
Oh sure, let's give the advantage to the criminals.

Dispropertionately ? Maybe it is because people of color have the highest crime rate .


Violent Crime Rates by Race
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Maybe you're a racist making a remark like that.
 
againstthegrain said:
He shot an unarmed man complying with every command that had committed no crime and posed no threat.
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The threat was posed when he pointed a gun out of a 5th story hotel window which was reported by a citizen who observed this & called the Mesa PD. We know this occurred because the female in the video with him, testified at the trial that he & her male co-worker had been pointing the firearm out of the window to check out the scope. She also said she told them to stay away from the window because someone may see it & get the wrong idea.

Neither that citizen, nor the police could have ever been aware that this was not going be an active shooter situation with someone sniping innocent people from the high vantage point of a 5th story window. Or that it could have involved some type of a hostage situation or any other possible scenario. None of which would have been known until they arrived on the scene & was able to begin to evaluate the situation.

At a minimum, the surrounding rooms on that floor had to be evacuated & most likely the rest of hotel or at least a lock-down/shelter in place. The roadway & area surrounding the hotel had to be shut down as well other local businesses that could have been in danger.

As far as no crime being committed, there was. Even if it was not intentional on his part. You have at least inducing panic & possibly disorderly conduct & there may be others under AZ law. If someone would have died because of the panic he created, as in some states, he may have been charged with their death.

The first video is only 1:38 long, Tense Mesa police standoff in the shooting of Daniel Shaver | Daily Mail Online, shows both occupants in the room failed to acknowledge the 1st contact made by an officer in the hallway. There was only complete silence. A 2nd attempt was instructions for the female to step out of the room - the female failed to step out at the end of that video. Both male & female failed to follow lawful orders. That is not being compliant.

The second video is from the L.A. Times,
and apparently takes place where the first video stopped. This started with the female exiting first into the hallway followed by the male & both ordered to get down on the ground.

They were asked if anyone else was in the room & said no. An officer went over instructions, clearly stating not following them could result in getting shot & both clearly stated yes (that they understood). During this time, the male continued to move & immediately was told what to do with his hands/feet. They were asked if they were drunk & they replied no. Also were asked if there was going to be any problem with what they were going to be told & both replied no.

Shaver continued to move around after being told not to. He was told to keep his fingers interlaced behind his head & feet crossed. He was told that if he moved, he would be considered a threat & it would be dealt with & he may not survive it. He was asked if he understood & he replied "yes sir".

The female was given orders & she followed them & was safely removed from the hallway.

An officer spoke directly to Shaver, told him to listen carefully & not to make a mistake. He was given instructions & asked if he understood & he said yes. He was told to put his arms out in front of him which he did & told to push himself up to a kneeling position & did so.

But he didn't comply because he moved his hands from the floor to his waist moving his left hand behind him. Immediately he was told to keep his legs crossed & his hands went back to the floor in front of him.

He rose back up saying sorry, while at the same time moved both hands behind his back. Immediately & repeatedly he was told to put hands in the air which he started to do, but again put them behind him before finally raising them up. Another warning that if he did that again he would be shot. He kept talking, was told to shut & listen to the instructions. Instruction of not to put your hands down for any reason & if his hands went behind him again, he would be shot. When asked if he understood, he said yes sir.

He was told again to crawl towards them & that he started to do, but then he reached behind him again with his hands. By not complying with the instruction, it resulted in him being shot which he was told what would happen.

This video showed he failed to comply with given orders on numerous occasions.

As far as being unarmed, it was only learned after he didn't comply & was shot that he didn't have a weapon in his waistband. Remember, it was known he had a rifle in his room. The officers had no way of knowing what other firearms were in that room & what was on his person.
 
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