Do you believe in heaven?

[Uncontrolable]

Aunt Bea, your cartoon in note #14 is GREAT!

Not sure you mean me.

 

[SifuPhil]

I could not stop thinking about your poem. Your poem does have meaning and I said it didn't. I apologize. I also made the mistake of saying that Poe wrote "jaberwocky". That was Lewis Carroll. In any case, I believe you were making an argument for the nonexistence of God. Then by extension that Heaven cannot exist. I have found only one possitve proof of the existence of God. I say positive because the evidence is available. Language is pre-theoretical. One plus one became 1 + 1 and a new form of symbolic logic was born. Some consider math like it is a part of nature waiting to be discovered. Math has given us the atom, which was only a probability. We call it an atom, but we really have no idea what it is. We hear atom and think atom bomb. So using our language we discover things that are only implied, have a reality. Humans have been theorizing about God since before we became sentient. The point is that our theorizing finds things "out there". Clearly this is not direct evidence for God's existence, but is a "positive" proof that God can be discovered. According to math, in an infinite set of universes, anything that can happen will happen. Therefore, something like God may actually exist in one universe. If God exists in one universe he/she may exist in all.

No apology necessary.

Actually, my "argument" was really just a listing of several hypothesis that have been banging around the metaphysical world for quite some time now. Each has it's pros and cons, each has its adherents and its detractors.

It's almost like politics - pick whichever one you like and run with it.

Personally? I think mankind is too stupid, too self-absorbed, and too unaware to recognize God (or any god for that matter) even if s/he came up and tweaked their nose. I also enjoy the Zoo Hypothesis, but only because I'm an Outer Limits / Twilight Zone / Matrix fanatic.

 

[Uncontrolable]

No apology necessary.

Actually, my "argument" was really just a listing of several hypothesis that have been banging around the metaphysical world for quite some time now. Each has it's pros and cons, each has its adherents and its detractors.

It's almost like politics - pick whichever one you like and run with it.

Personally? I think mankind is too stupid, too self-absorbed, and too unaware to recognize God (or any god for that matter) even if s/he came up and tweaked their nose. I also enjoy the Zoo Hypothesis, but only because I'm an Outer Limits / Twilight Zone / Matrix fanatic.

I see your point. I agree with the idea that we might be too stupid. I can't remember which text I saw this in when I was in college. I likely was in a book called "The Social Construction of Reality", or "The Sociology of Religion". This is horribly paraphrased, "The bedrock of human stupidity prevents people from seeing the obvious". Something to that effect. I have had experiences where I believed I received some sort of spiritual guidance. It was very profound for me. It changed my life. But, its is absolutely subjective. The telling of it is a little lengthy, covering years of my life. But, I would try if you like.

 

[SifuPhil]

I see your point. I agree with the idea that we might be too stupid. I can't remember which text I saw this in when I was in college. I likely was in a book called "The Social Construction of Reality", or "The Sociology of Religion". This is horribly paraphrased, "The bedrock of human stupidity prevents people from seeing the obvious". Something to that effect. I have had experiences where I believed I received some sort of spiritual guidance. It was very profound for me. It changed my life. But, its is absolutely subjective. The telling of it is a little lengthy, covering years of my life. But, I would try if you like.

I think that would be interesting, perhaps in a new thread?